The First Redcafe Sheep Draft

I agree with Anto, I think I should've started a 4-3-2-1(or Christmas tree if you want)

-------------------INCE-------------
--------EFFENBERG--MODRIC-------
----LAUDRUP--------------NEDVED
------------------CRESPO-----------

Nah, no Ince sitting, that's the one I was thinking when I tld Balu it was a bad idea!

---------EFFENBERG--------INCE
--------------------MODRIC
------LAUDRUP----------------NEDVED
--------------------CRESPO

Ince was NOT a DM. It's a bit like playing Keane there. You could, and he would be OK, but it's not Roy Keane.
 
I'd just say this again, you can have Maradona, Pele, Cruyff and Di Stefano in attack but you will never go far in a draft here with John "full kit w*nker" Terry in your team. :p
Fecking Terry..

Nah, no Ince sitting, that's the one I was thinking when I tld Balu it was a bad idea!

---------EFFENBERG--------INCE
--------------------MODRIC
------LAUDRUP----------------NEDVED
--------------------CRESPO

Ince was NOT a DM. It's a bit like playing Keane there. You could, and he would be OK, but it's not Roy Keane.
Yeah either way the same idea though..
 
Dunno who i'd have gone for if i'd made it past TITO. Would have liked Koeman but seeing how Anto fared would have put me off the idea. Thuram would have been a no brainer for the other pick i'd say.

Edit: I'd have had to consider Michael Laudrup to team up with Romario, Stoitchkov and Luis Enrique but that would have meant benching Kaka.
 
I would've probably taken Viera first pick, Viera-Effenberg :drool:, than either Thuram(or a different CB) to replace Terry or Giggs/Stoichkov to LW and Nedved RW to replace Sanchez..

Imagine this:
Niko
Lahm Carvalho Wanker Cashley
Effenberg Viera
Nedved Laudrup Giggs
Crespo​
:drool: what a front four!
 
I would've loved to have this team if I beat Polaroid :(

Raúl - Ruud
Zidane
Vieira - Sousa - Gullit
Irwin - Desailly - Silva - Cafu
Pagliuca

No Redondo? You wouldn't get Cafú either, maybe Gallas ;)

I was actually thinking about it yesterday looking at the "spoils", Cutch and I really fecked each other over splitting up a theme. We had components but never quite got to the sum of parts :( and I had to grapple with a different frontline, while he dicked around with Dunga and Silva in midfield. :(

My reinforcement would have probably been:

-------------------Romario
Stoichkov------Bergkamp------Müller
------------Cocu---------Schweini
Brehme---Koeman----Thuram--Sagnol
---------------------Lama

Romario would have been gone by my second turn. I would have gone Davids/Lucho then... or probably wouldn't have resisted Laudrup. feck knows.
 
Dunno who i'd have gone for if i'd made it past TITO. Would have liked Koeman but seeing how Anto fared would have put me off the idea. Thuram would have been a no brainer for the other pick i'd say.

Edit: I'd have had to consider Michael Laudrup to team up with Romario, Stoitchkov and Luis Enrique but that would have meant benching Kaka.

Aye, see above :lol:

If you didn't take Laudrup you would be a massive retard mate. That's why I went for Bergkamp when I did, with all the others gone the chances I would reconvene them were slim and, stylistically, replacing Laudrup was far easier in this draft than Romario-Stoichkov-Lucho. But if you have them you just have to complete it, you have to.

And no, no one should ever pick Koeman again. People just want defenders to defend, their tactical impact and implications is taking things a step too far. In fact, people seemed to get the idea he only ever made a career out of his strengths but otherwise couldn't defend for toffee which is quite simply nonsense.

I made reference to it earlier in the thread, the problem with him wasn't even pace (yes, he was slow, but comparable to a Desailly, who never gets questioned at all for it) but the fact he was so engaged with the attacking side of the game he often overlooked the reading of the game from a defensive standpoint. As a result, he was slow to react, which can at times be a killer blow if you have no pace to make up for it. Popescu instead was completely different, wasn't slow, but not the quickest either, but his reading of the game was such that in anticipating danger he would gain enough in yards/positioning that pace became irrelevant.

And even after making that distinction I kept being told they were "too similar". Completely different ways to go about defending.
 
I'd just say this again, you can have Maradona, Pele, Cruyff and Di Stefano in attack but you will never go far in a draft here with John "full kit w*nker" Terry in your team. :p

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:lol::lol:

Just never stops being funny!

I mean wearing a kit is one thing, but the guy actually put on shin pads to celebrate. I mean, ffs! :lol:

THAT is what really made it funny/cringe. Someone should have had a word: "Seriously, John. Whatta you thinking!?"
 
:D If you were to pick Effenberg over Desailly and play a diamond of:

---------Sammer--------
---Effenberg----Ballack
-------Baggio/Costa

--Sheva/Baggio--Romario---


That would've been incredible, and thats a guaranteed vote from @Balu :lol:
I rate Effenberg a lot, he's still a massive cnut though, no sympathy vote from me ;). Desailly was the better pick, imo.
 
I rate Effenberg a lot, he's still a massive cnut though, no sympathy vote from me ;). Desailly was the better pick, imo.

Iirc, it was he who got called up by the Bayern hierarchy because some younger talent (memory completely fails me there) had twatted Matthaüs and they wanted to discuss disciplining, "He should be congratulated". :lol:
 
Iirc, it was he who got called up by the Bayern hierarchy because some younger talent (memory completely fails me there) had twatted Matths and they wanted to discuss disciplining, "He should be congratulated". :lol:
:lol:

29 year old Lizarazu was the one who slapped Matthäus ;). Fully deserved, I'm sure of that.
 
How would you guys feel about

----Sheva---------Baggio------
-----------Rui Costa----
---Nedved-----Gullit/Mendieta
-----------Sammer-----------

in a diamond?

Too much really. I expected you would do that with Nedved and that was already pushing the boat a bit. Adding Mendieta (let alone Gullit) is fantasy stuff, but not really sound. Mendieta was supposed to be similar to Nedved and his natural replacement at Lazio... that didn't go very well.

Why have you dropped Romario there? Or was that an alternative midfield?
 
:lol:

29 year old Lizarazu was the one who slapped Matthäus ;). Fully deserved, I'm sure of that.

Yeah, Lizarazu!

I had that impression he wasn't a core Bayern chap but an outsider who was good/talented enough to warrant consultation and not outright exile. Nothing to do with age then, just nationality...
 
Yeah, Lizarazu!

I had that impression he wasn't a core Bayern chap but an outsider who was good/talented enough to warrant consultation and not outright exile. Nothing to do with age then, just nationality...
He got in a fight with Matthäus and slapped him during a training session. Then, when asked about it by the coach, he said, Matthäus is an arrogant prick and treats everyone like shit and deserved it. Doubt it had anything to do with nationality ;). It was in August during pre-season, shortly after the CL final in '99, so I always had the theory that Matthäus made some shit comment about the team loosing without him and got the fully deserved reaction. The whole team backed Lizarazu as far as I know, Effenberg was captain and when asked about the incident by Hitzfeld, answered 'Give him a raise'.

Effenberg was and still is a huge cnut though, one great line doesn't change that.

@Balu

Matthaüs
Mullër

For all the times that strange B did my head in with Hässler and others.
It's funny because Matthaüs sounds uber gay :lol:, ë doesn't exist in German ;).
 
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He got in a fight with Matthäus and slapped him during a training session. Then, when asked about it by the coach, he said, Matthäus is an arrogant prick and treats everyone like shit and deserved it. Doubt it had anything to do with nationality ;). It was in August during pre-season, shortly after the CL final in '99, so I always had the theory that Matthäus made some shit comment about the team loosing without him and got the fully deserved reaction. The whole team backed Lizarazu as far as I know, Effenberg was captain and when asked about the incident by Hitzfeld, answered 'Give him a raise'.

Yeah, that's right, a raise.

That's one reason I developed a liking for Bayern over the years despite hating the sheriff's horse early on. All those great players that went into managing the club, and all those cnuts floating about... when you think of it there's just something very impressive about it all. Matthaüs getting twatted by a teammate, Effenberg getting called up and saying that, then probably Hitzfeld commenting on it with Beckenbauer and Kalle, and Kalle saying "Well, tbh, he is a cnut, isn't he?". And them two breaking into the sort of strange lifeless laughter you would expect from Viking gods.

Don't expect you to understand all that shite, it's part of my fascination with Northern Europe, as opposed to any of the former Roman Empire. The same fascination that leads me to remember Otto Renhagel fondly.

It's funny because Matthaüs sounds uber gay :lol:, ë doesn't exist in German ;).

I knew about ë not existing, have no idea how Matthaüs sounds... like Emmaüs International?
 
That's one reason I developed a liking for Bayern over the years despite hating the sheriff's horse early on. All those great players that went into managing the club, and all those cnuts floating about... when you think of it there's just something very impressive about it all. Matthaüs getting twatted by a teammate, Effenberg getting called up and saying that, then probably Hitzfeld commenting on it with Beckenbauer and Kalle, and Kalle saying "Well, tbh, he is a cnut, isn't he?". And them two breaking into the sort of strange lifeless laughter you would expect from Viking gods.
Yeah, I always liked that about the club as well, it's really special. I'm also really glad that they were smart enough to hire experts for the financial stuff. I would be really worried at the moment if Hoeness was in charge of the finances in the last decades. The whole Hoeness tax drama sucks though, we have our arguably best team ever at the moment, and the one who turned the struggling club around at the end of the 70's and built the powerhouse we see today, might go to jail tomorrow (deserves to go really).

I knew about ë not existing, have no idea how Matthaüs sounds... like Emmaüs International?
The contrast between the pronunciation of Matthäus and Matthaüs is what makes it brilliant. If you meet someone who speaks German, ask him/her to say both words and you'll understand.
 
The contrast between the pronunciation of Matthäus and Matthaüs is what makes it brilliant. If you meet someone who speaks German, ask him/her to say both words and you'll understand.

Am I far off thinking one sounds like MA-TEUS and the other MATA-WUSS?
 
Am I far off thinking one sounds like MA-TEUS and the other MATA-WUSS?
Matthäus sounds powerful, it's a wonderful name with lots of history, it's the German Matthew (the apostle) while Matthaüs sounds incredibly squeaky, ridiculous. I can't really give an example, because I can't think of a word that uses the aü combination. It's not a big deal, it just sounded really funny in my head for a moment when I read your first post ;).
 
All Star team of the 1st Sheep Draft:

Formation: 4-2-3-1 (most teams had this in the draft)

------------Romario--------------
---Nedved-----Baggio------Savicevic
--------Redondo----Sammer---------
Brehme---Maldini---Thuram---Lahm

Notable Subs:
Nedved <> Stoichkov
Baggio <> Totti
 
Too many knocked out players there

Thuram has been knocked out twice, no way he makes an All Star team. Much better centre backs knocking around.

Hmm, although it probably is still Baggio > Totti, in this draft there have been very few players who have had the same impact as Totti. He should make the All Star team ahead of Baggio IMO.
 
Hmm, keeping it similar to yours I would go like this - Cafu > Lahm, Ferdinand > Thuram, Rivaldo > Nedved. All three of those players have had a lot of credit in this draft, I think.

--------------Romario--------------
---Rivaldo-----Totti------Savicevic
--------Redondo----Sammer---------
Brehme---Maldini---Ferdinand---Cafu
 
Too many knocked out players there

Isn't it vice versa? Despite his team losing, if a player still managed to get picked up again and again, isn't he more highly rated? e.g Panucci won with his team and Kohler lost, but the person who made it to next round was Kohler with Panucci on the bench. See my point here...

Mine was more on players who are rated highly, not just who survived unhurt till now.
 
All Star team of the 1st Sheep Draft:

Formation: 4-2-3-1 (most teams had this in the draft)

------------Romario--------------
---Nedved-----Baggio------Savicevic
--------Redondo----Sammer---------
Brehme---Maldini---Thuram---Lahm

Notable Subs:
Nedved <> Stoichkov
Baggio <> Totti

I don't agree with your "survival" logic at all.

Thuram and Lahm have gone out twice now. Nedved, Romario, Sammer and Brehme have gone out once, which isn't too bad, but a player going out twice in two games should never make it and you absolutely have to have the stars (not squad men) of the semi teams ahead of any of them:

No-brainers in bold


Pol's candidates: Neuer and his penalty saving heroics, Ferdinand, Redondo and Zidane.

Tito's candidates: Scholes, Totti, not sure about Savicevic think Suárez actually had his own pull as well. Montero and Ferrara won't make it but both deserve being there ahead of Thuram or Lahm, quite clearly.

Gio's candidates: Rivaldo, Davids, arguably Bergomi with the game he just had. He even man-marked two players out of the game at the same time, or so I'm told.

Edgar: Maldini, Rui Costa, Baggio. I think Branco has done very well for you so far, but no one would go with that :rolleyes:

So far:
----------------------Neuer
Bergomi?------Rio?------Maldini------Branco?
----Redondo/Scholes/Davids :confused: all prefer left-side as well
Savicevic?---Baggio/Rivaldo/Zidane/Totti---Suárez?
----------------------??????? (this is where Iso would argue Totti should play as striker)

I would then consider those who were key to their teams and got picked by the semifinalists and were key again:
  • Pol: no one
  • Tito: Cafú, smashing his sudden death peno, no less
  • Gio: Kohler? Rio-Maldini have been more instrumental in their side's success so far
  • Edgar: Sammer, no brainer
Only then I would look at the top-performing spoils from the beaten quarter-finalists:
  • VivaJ: Nedved
  • Anto: Brehme
  • Cutch: Stoichkov-Romario (that's what his attractiveness boiled down to :drool:)
  • Pippa: would have to be Giggs but no other semi-finalist felt the need for him. Same with Gullit. :(
  • All four in bold walk into the team
The #10 was highly coveted but considering Bergomi, Kohler and Davids all narrowly missed out AND the rest of the front four, it simply had to be Rivaldo.

ALL-STAR TEAM:


----------------------Neuer
Cafú-----Sammer-------Maldini----Brehme
-----------Redondo------Scholes
Stoichkov--------Rivaldo-----------Nedved
--------------------Romario

 
What about the DUDS XI?

GK: Nikopolidis aka Clanger, except in a Summer tourno.

RB: Abel Xavier, single-handedly decimated his side and condemned it to the scrap heap. Quite probably, the worst sheep ever.

CB: Terry. Capt. Lionheart can defend, can run, can head, can score goals, can lead the troops and be the rock around which one of the meanest defences in PL history was built. Unfortunately it was Chelsea defence and this is not a Chelsea forum.

CB or SW, only God knows: Koeman. Can't defend, can't run, can't head, can't tackle, he is not a stopper, nor is he a sweeper, he just stands there at the back like a lamp-post and pings the ball forward every now and then. Can take a mean free kicks but set pieces are rarely a source of goals, I'm told. Absolutely useless.

CB: Hummels. You know you've had a torrid tourno when you are prioritised for upgrade ahead of William Gallas at RB. Hummels was so utterly lost on the pitch that he has forced our hand into adopting a five-man backline at the expense of a midfielder, Eric Djemba-Djemba, who actually managed a good ten minutes outmuscling and outplaying a knackered Yaya Toure.

LB: Baines. He is an icon, we are told. No one seems to think he can defend and everyone consistently thinks he is the worst player on the pitch. All you need to be the worst player in the world is to have Moyes actively interested in you.

DM: Mascherano. Actually a good player, but his manager kept him on the bench and hidden from view while Deco and Scholes got ran over. The masses started calling out his name so loudly he managed to get himself on the pitch, helped kill off the game... and was promptly permanently replaced for the next game.

DM: Frings. OK, this guy didn't even play as he got fired before the tourno even started, favouring Mario Basler, who didn't get to play himself either. But that is not really the problem. The problem is that when the draw presented his side with a rival who called for a player of Frings' characteristics, we were told he wouldn't have played anyway as the extent of his destructive impact on the team's style and fluidity was such that it was better to face the consequences of leaving Zidane utterly loose. Depressing times for Torsten.

AM: Mata. Somehow managed to spend an entire game doing absolutely nothing at all. No one noticed he was on the pitch, nor cared. A peripheral figure, you know he is playing shit when people think the creative AM behind the strikers should leave the pitch for Wes Brown despite his side being 3-1 down in a knockout tourno.

AM: Aimar. Probably not his fault really, but how on earth did he end up in an all-round central midfield role alongside Paul Gascoigne?

CF: Samaras. Didn't get to play, just like Villa, so why he and not David? Quite simply because his manager had the opportunity to fire him but chose to fire Ubaldo Righetti instead. Yes, an Italian CB with 8 caps back in the 80s, must have been a bit good? Certainly would have fared better than the full-kit wanker.

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PS: this11 seems to have changed the interface... but you still have to enter all names again every time :rolleyes:
 
What about the DUDS XI?

GK: Nikopolidis aka Clanger, except in a Summer tourno.

RB: Abel Xavier, single-handedly decimated his side and condemned it to the scrap heap. Quite probably, the worst sheep ever.

CB or SW, only God knows: Koeman. Can't defend, can't run, can't head, can't tackle, he is not a stopper, nor is he a sweeper, he just stands there at the back like a lamp-post and pings the ball forward every now and then. Can take a mean free kicks but set pieces are rarely a source of goals, I'm told. Absolutely useless.

CB: Hummels. You know you've had a torrid tourno when you are prioritised for upgrade ahead of William Gallas at RB. Hummels was so utterly lost on the pitch that he has forced our hand into adopting a five-man backline at the expense of a midfielder, Eric Djemba-Djemba, who actually managed a good ten minutes outmuscling and outplaying a knackered Yaya Toure.

LB: Baines. He is an icon, we are told. No one seems to think he can defend and everyone consistently thinks he is the worst player on the pitch. All you need to be the worst player in the world is to have Moyes actively interested in you.

DM: Mascherano. Actually a good player, but his manager kept him on the bench and hidden from view while Deco and Scholes got ran over. The masses started calling out his name so loudly he managed to get himself on the pitch, helped kill off the game... and was promptly permanently replaced for the next game.

DM: Frings. OK, this guy didn't even play as he got fired before the tourno even started, favouring Mario Basler, who didn't get to play himself either. But that is not really the problem. The problem is that when the draw presented his side with a rival who called for a player of Frings' characteristics, we were told he wouldn't have played anyway as the extent of his destructive impact on the team's style and fluidity was such that it was better to face the consequences of leaving Zidane utterly loose. Depressing times for Torsten.

AM: Mata. Somehow managed to spend an entire game doing absolutely nothing at all. No one noticed he was on the pitch, nor cared. A peripheral figure, you know he is playing shit when people think the creative AM behind the strikers should leave the pitch for Wes Brown despite his side being 3-1 down in a knockout tourno.

CF: Samaras. Didn't get to play, just like Villa, so why he and not David? Quite simply because his manager had the opportunity to fire him but chose to fire Ubaldo Righetti instead. Yes, an Italian CB with 8 caps back in the 80s, must have been a bit good? Certainly would have fared better than the full-kit wanker.

Absolutely brilliant. People at office were wondering what on earth I could find in a system specs document that could be so funny. :lol:

And get ready to get hung, drawn and quartered by @VivaJanuzaj
 
Write up for todays game is pretty much done Aldo, so will send it over shortly.

12 kick off, Pol?
 
Isn't it vice versa? Despite his team losing, if a player still managed to get picked up again and again, isn't he more highly rated? e.g Panucci won with his team and Kohler lost, but the person who made it to next round was Kohler with Panucci on the bench. See my point here...

Mine was more on players who are rated highly, not just who survived unhurt till now.

Nah, it's a Tournament All Star Team not just a collection of the best players, or it becomes a wee bit pointless.

Thuram doesn't make it on any account though - there are better centre backs than Thuram in the draft, and there are centre backs that performed better in the game.

He has no reason to get in ahead of Ferdinand, for example.
 
Sorry lads, had some issues with my browser, just submitted to Aldo. Regretfully, I am up to my neck in work and will only be available in the second half of the match. I have penned a more detailed write-up to compensate for that, really sorry that I can only answer queries when I return in the 2nd half, thanks
 
I was thinking going old school and the two finalists picking two players from the teams they beat. Or is that a problem?

Otherwise we would just inverse the initial order once again and have a couple of rounds. Sheep rounds seem pointless with only two teams left.