The First Redcafe Sheep Draft

antohan : 1. Djemba Djemba 2. Ronald Koeman 3. Andreas Brehme 4. Arjen Robben 5 Willy Sagnol 6. Phillip Cocu 7. Bastian Schweinsteiger 8. Dennis Bergkamp 9. Gheorghe Popescu 10. Bernard Lama 11. David Ginola 12. Edinson Cavani 13. Lilian Thuram 14. Thomas Muller

VivaJanuzaj : 1. Michael Laudrup 2. Ubaldo Righetti (fired) 3. Pavel Nedved 4. Georgios Samaras 5. Luka Modric 6. Alexis Sanchez 7. Ricardo Carvalho 8. Antonios Nikopolidis 9. John Terry 10. Leighton Baines 11. Paul Ince 12. Hernan Crespo 13. Phillip Lahm 14. Ashley Cole 15. Stefan Effenberg

Cutch : 1. Luis Enrique 2. Gaizka Mendieta 3. Hristo Stoichkov 4. Carles Puyol 5. Dani Alves 6. Mauro Silva 7. Sergi 8. Dunga 9. David Villa 10. Sergio Ramos (fired) 11. Santiago Canizares 12. Ivan Helguera 13. Romario 14. Kaka 15. Fernando Hierro

Pippa : 1. Marcel Desailly 2. Ryan Giggs 3. Ruud Gullit 4. Roberto Donadoni 5. Denis Irwin 6. Manucho (fired) 7. Jocelyn Angloma 8. Gianluca Pagliuca 9. Raul 10. Miroslav Djukic 11. Paulo Sousa 12. Dino Baggio 13. Thiago Silva 14. Patrick Vieira 15. Ruud Van Nistelrooy

The player pool.
 
I reckon we can fly through this one by tonight and get the semi's kicking off by tomorrow if all goes well.
 
Thanks Aldo for the pool, i was dredging thru the pages for the 4 QF matches :lol:

Polaroid : 1. Lahm
Gio :
Thisistheone :
Edgar Allan Pillow :

@Gio
 
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Is the general consensus now that Brehme was the better left back, Lahm the better right back and Lahm the more influential fullback overall?
 
Brwned said:
Is the general consensus now that Brehme was the better left back, Lahm the better right back and Lahm the more influential fullback overall?
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Not sure about the consensus but in general modern fullbacks are more influential than they were 20 years ago
 
Surely that has more to do with the role they occupy in a system than any difference in quality? The best fullbacks from the 80s would be the best fullbacks right now as far as I'm concerned.
 
Aye no doubt about that, the standard of fullbacks is pretty low right now Lahm aside.
 
Brwned said:
Surely that has more to do with the role they occupy in a system than any difference in quality? The best fullbacks from the 80s would be the best fullbacks right now as far as I'm concerned.
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Yes, it is more because of the evolution of the role, it has become more demanding physically and tactically, in return for greater influence on the game
 
Lahm was a good pick for Pol since he could deploy him either at left or right depending on the match up. Brehme still the better full back overall for me
 
Pat_Mustard said:
I'd be interested to hear what @Balu thinks about Lahm in comparison to Brehme.
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Brehme the better leftback, Lahm the better rightback, overall Brehme still ahead, not by much though. But I think Pol made the right decision. Lahm is probably the better fit for a team that plays possession football.

I don't think that the influence of fullbacks on the game has increased though, I can't see why Lahm is more important for his teams than Brehme was in the 80's/90's or Breitner in 70's. Same could be said for all the great fullbacks, Krol for Ajax, Maldini for Sacchi's Milan for example. What exactly is different now in comparison to those players?
 
Balu said:
Brehme the better leftback, Lahm the better rightback, overall Brehme still ahead, not by much though. But I think Pol made the right decision. Lahm is probably the better fit for a team that plays possession football.

I don't think that the influence of fullbacks on the game has increased though, I can't see why Lahm is more important for his teams than Brehme was in the 80's/90's or Breitner in 70's. Same could be said for all the great fullbacks, Krol for Ajax, Maldini for Sacchi's Milan for example. What exactly is different now in comparison to those players?
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Thanks mate, interesting stuff!
 
Pat_Mustard said:
Come to think of it Romario and Shevchenko with Baggio in behind would be bloody nice as well!
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That is exactly what I would do

I predicted their picks in a PM to Brwned, lining up in that formation :cool:
 
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Comfortably the one who was bound to be the most coveted player out there, and this with some obvious great talents and favourites of mine. Different from any others, Nedved could fit and improve any of the teams, whatever their formations. Cracking player.

I presume he will be on the right? Or are you gradually moving your Left-footer Convention to the bench?

Mmmm, so many options actually. :drool:
 
AldoPaine18 said:
Surely. Baggio's well capable of doing that role.
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Theon said:
That is exactly what I would do

I predicted their picks in a PM to Brwned, lining up in that formation :cool:
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Its mouth-watering no doubt. Where will Desailly play? Centre back to round off a brilliant three man defence with Sammer and Maldini, or further forward to beef up the midfield?
 
Pat_Mustard said:
Its mouth-watering no doubt. Where will Desailly play? Centre back to round off a brilliant three man defence with Sammer and Maldini, or further forward to beef up the midfield?
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I think Desailly should be in midfield, next to Ballack with Alonso dropped.

Sammer can distribute from the back, and with that trio up front you don't really need a bundle of creativity in the middle.
 
Balu said:
Brehme the better leftback, Lahm the better rightback, overall Brehme still ahead, not by much though. But I think Pol made the right decision. Lahm is probably the better fit for a team that plays possession football.

I don't think that the influence of fullbacks on the game has increased though, I can't see why Lahm is more important for his teams than Brehme was in the 80's/90's or Breitner in 70's. Same could be said for all the great fullbacks, Krol for Ajax, Maldini for Sacchi's Milan for example. What exactly is different now in comparison to those players?
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I still don't get why Pol is meant to play possession football with a bunch of players who never really did that.

Gallas was the one most needing improvement so Lahm is the right call regardless, but Brehme was something else entirely.

AFAIC he is in the Top 5 of all time: Facchetti, Maldini, Nilton, Brehme, Krol. First three are clear and the ordering really is down to the emphasis (attack, defence, balanced), the other two I prefer Brehme myself for a more conventional LB/WB role and Krol if there's some weird tactical shit going on (e.g. my Magyar back three :lol:).
 
Thisistheone said:
Stoichkov.

@Gio
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Excellent pick, fits you to a tee. I was surprised you didn't go there first but I guess Edgar was more likely to be interested in Vieira.

Mmmmm, anyone wonder how that Tito front three would work with Hagi-Totti-Stoichkov? :drool:
 
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Polaroid : 1. Lahm 2.
Gio : 1. Nedved 2. Brehme
Thisistheone : 1. Vieira 2. Stoichkov
Edgar Allan Pillow : 1. Romario 2. Desailly
 
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