The First Redcafe Sheep Draft
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What's the player pool Pol/Annah?
I'm a big believer in the market working its magic to price things accurately. As ever, it's all based on rationality, which will likely make this draft a great case for government regulation.
That looks awful.I was searching on Google, managed to find one from the same site you found the Sheep Draft. This is the group of players that someone arrived with after 8 rounds
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Someone can end up with such an incredible team if they manage to get lucky!
Preferably not all-time. It would be best to keep them all-timers shelved a wee bit longer. Not that I will let them come back in full force either.
Don't worry Balu, our All-Time sheep draft will deal with such random amassing of talent.
Infact we should combine all and run a mix n match draft. One round for each continent, one sheep, 2 random allocation rounds and then 3 players by budget, etc
My sheep draft will have all that, and more.
I have feck all idea how it will turn out, will probably have to make some evil questions along the way to rebalance. It's pot-luck by design though, think of it as an obstacle course or some sort of quest-based game, it may not even have anything to do with football at times.
One round in particular will be very tricky, I could see a meltdown or two.
Add me in
Not bad...already nearing the quota! Get in.
Annah
@Polaroid
Aldo
Rpitroda
Isotope
Edgar
crappy
NM
kps88
MJJ
Cutch
VivaJanuzaj
Annah
@Polaroid
Aldo
Rpitroda
Isotope
Edgar
crappy
NM
kps88
MJJ
Cutch
VivaJanuzaj
Thanks for adding me, mate. Hopefully this will stop me polluting other threads, temporally.
I'll give it a pass myself, if it helps anyone make up their minds 
Got to talk things through with Pol, I can just state my opinion - but it will be infused with Pols opinions on everything of course.
In my opinion the best idea is a "current" draft as it will bring the easiest evaluations between players for everybody. The current players has played the exact same opponents and is therefore a lot easier to judge. It hasn't been done in a long time either - so it would be fun to see only the current players based on their current peak.
I'll give it a pass myself, if it helps anyone make up their minds
Feck off, you would love this draft. For the first time you would be able to unleash your mind with full freedom to pick the best team.
You would also be able to mind-feck people by bidding on their players pushing their price up. So if you know someone loves Mata you would push him up 15 mill extra then laugh and pick your own player. Of course if they won't outbid you, you'd be stuck.
There's also the very clear advantage of more voter participation, evident from the last draft to this one. As said, I plan to have my sheep one All-Time but with some severe constraints on oldies and GOATs so that it is only really a few token very well known ones that make it through. If they are important for your team, you can still get them, but you can't just amass loads of talent for the sake of it, or loads of oldies most haven't heard of (as much as I love to
).I'm a bit fed up to be honest. People seem to take my wumming far too seriously. Even a minor disagreement with Aldo (which I should have just PMd him about, with hindsight) was completely blown out of all proportion.
Ignoring Theon has been a real highlight of this draft. It shouldn't be necessary though.
I'll play if you're struggling with numbers but would like to give others a chance.
Are @Gio and @AldoPaine18 around?
Meh.. Anto just playing 'hard to get' game . It's better he's on the game, so to be a bit nicer to managers with future votes in mind. Ha!
. It's better he's on the game, so to be a bit nicer to managers with future votes in mind. Ha!TEAM ANTOHAN (UPDATED)
GOALKEEPER
Bernard Lama
A cracking keeper in that excellent mid-90s PSG side. His agility and reflexes made him look like a panther in goal and formidable aerially. A bit of a nutter like the man who would take his place in nets for France after testing positive for cannabis, which effectively marked the end of his career at the top. He was similar in style as well except that he didn’t lack in height and didn’t have those occasional lapses in concentration while mulling over where to go for dinner that night.
DEFENDERS
Ronald Koeman
The best goalscoring defender in history, with a career record a striker would be proud of (1 in 3) and twice as many as second placed Daniel Passarella. Koeman was devastating from free kicks and penalties, also holding the record for most top league consecutive converted penalties. That’s no minor point considering how my attack is bound to be stopped that way quite regularly!
Of course, it isn’t just the goals I was looking for here, but the technique and power associated with those shots, which translate to his passing. We talk a lot about ball-playing defenders and if they can put a pass here or there every now and then they suddenly become different from a stopper. Koeman was miles ahead though, his passing was just from a different planet as far as defenders are concerned, and I mean ball-playing ones. It wasn't just the ease with which he could spray pinpoint passes all over the pitch but his football brain overall, which made them sublime, incisive and devastating.
These qualities forced opponents to leave space between the lines or be punished by a ball over the top (which still invariably happened once they fell behind and had to push up!). This space can then be exploited by the likes of Bergkamp, Robben and Ginola to free themselves up, receive and run at the deep defensive line.
Lilian Thuram
Koeman's playmaking attributes come at a cost: he wasn't the best when faced with explosive strikers. When faced with these, he absolutely needs a partner that complements him well, and who better than Le Tronc?
Thuram was the perfect modern defender; fast, athletic, strong. A tireless worker, strong in the tackle and equally adept at centre-back or right-back. A key component in the miserly Juventus defence of the early 2000s, and Team of the Tournament performances in two separate World Cups as both a RB and CB.
He wouldn't just be the ideal partner for Koeman, but also happens to have an excellent proven record alongside Sagnol for France. Splendid.
Andreas Brehme
One of the best fullbacks of all time and the best ambidextrous player of all time, Brehme was one of those who, like Zanetti, made the flank his exclusive territory in all phases of the game. Koeman is delighted to have such a dependable presence on the left, no worries there.
As usual, youtube clips are shite for showing overall play/crossing/assists, but if in any doubt over his contribution upfront, these classic Brehme rockets will do:
Willy Sagnol
An underrated talent. Sagnol was a top quality rightback equally strong in offensive and defensive phases. He won everything there was to be won with Bayern, but was unlucky to spend many of his best years playing second fiddle to Thuram as an international.
Once Desailly retired and Thuram moved to CB France caught a glimpse of what they had been missing, with outstanding displays in the knockout stages of WC’06 against Brazil, Portugal and Italy. He proved he wasn’t just a solid defender against the very best widemen around but also added a different dimension to Thuram in attack.
He is as good as it gets for what his role here requires, keeping the defence robust and being the ideal overlap for Robben to link with further up the pitch.
Gica Popescu
Also referred to as “Baciul” (Leader) in his native Romania, Gica’s ability to bring the ball out of defence and turning defence into attack was what made him the natural successor to Ronald Koeman at Barca.
Immense as a defensive organiser and leader, he was to Romania’s defence what Hagi was to their attack, something they would later successfully replicate for Galatasaray in arguably their most successful spell to date. His reading of the game and anticipation of danger resulted in him breaking up attacks before they had even started.
Here he will either be playing further forward protecting the defence and supporting the midfield or partnering Koeman, subject to the game at hand. Sometimes the switch will likely happen over the course of the game as and when the circumstances require it, which is a huge bonus.
CENTRAL MIDFIELDERS
Bastian Schweinsteiger
A beast, we’ve all seen it over the last few years, the most complete all-round midfield package out there. The best midfield all-rounder since Matthaus IMO, capable of turning in World Class performances in a defensive, box-to-box or playmaking role.
Phillip Cocu
Another one who may get underrated here due to no fault of his own. Cocu was far and away the best performer out of that Dutch lot that joined Barca under van Gaal. Only Kluivert came close to contributing as much, but not as consistently. The rest were absolutely terrible and, as that translated to results, it somewhat tarnishes his record.
It shouldn’t, he was at times the only saving grace they had defensively given van Gaal’s preferred midfield trio of Pep, Cocu and Figo, with the likes of Reiziger, Bogarde and de Boer doing the Koeman solo defensive role. With constant changes in management and internal strife, the only constant was whichever manager came trusting Cocu to turn in good performances.
You could argue the best Cocu only came out later when he returned to PSV and had the sort of starring role he deserved, being able to contribute further up the pitch unshackled by pressing defensive duties. But then, the fact is I want him doing the former here, sitting, shielding, pinging balls all over the pitch and only really getting into the box to use his height and heading ability at set pieces.
Eric Djemba-Djemba
A guaranteed numerical advantage the moment he walks onto the pitch.
ATTACKING MIDFIELDERS/WINGERS
Dennis Bergkamp
The non-flying Dutchman, even in that way he was special. The more time goes by, the less the red mist of rivalry clouds my judgment and I begin to accept he was one of the best ever and certainly the best advanced orchestrator the Premier League has seen.
If there ever was someone who could replicate Laudrup’s role at Barca, being the glue that makes it all gel together and work like a symphony, he would be one of the top candidates. Words fail me really, do yourself a favour and watch this. For once a proper football clip.
Arjen Robben
This Dutchman does fly, down the wing, cutting in, and piling up all those who dare get close. He always looked special, but at Bayern he has gone up another gear, particularly once he was force-fed humble pie after that final against Chelsea.
He will be tearing up fullbacks for fun.
David Ginola
Another wing wizard with less direct dribbling but more elegance and guile. The Geordies loved him and called him David Copperfield, so did Spurs fans, so keen on the sort of open sexy wing play us United fans also love.
It is often cited as a travesty that none of the United 99 side got PFA or FW Player of the Year, “they took votes off each other”. Quite true, but was he not deserving though? It’s not late in the game against Arsenal, sure, but isn’t this almost as beautiful?
Thomas Müller
Nothing like the others. Müller isn’t the type of traditional winger we’ve come to know in football, no typical trademark — no blistering pace, no immense dribbling skills to turn defenders dizzy… No emphasis on a typical winger attribute. No, Müller is different to the traditional. He’s the type to drift out of the game, unnoticed, until the right moment, where he makes the diverting run into space to be through on goal and before you know it, he’s in to score or assist.
This is a good article explaining his style and its effectiveness far better than I possibly could. Raumdeuter
STRIKER
Edinson Cavani
Pace, power, dribbling, aerial prowess, great finishing from close or long range. The boy is the complete package to have upfront, particularly with that service and supporting cast.
Consistenly a 30+ goals a season striker since 2010, despite regularly and selflessly putting his incredible stamina and workrate at the service of his teammates, supporting them wherever he may be needed. Outstanding really.
Count me out lads.
Sorry I had an exam which just finished, will start the game in a minute.
No worries mate, it was me being late to begin with
You complete tit. How lacking in self awareness can someone be. People get annoyed with you because you act like a wanker. Instead of crying about the reactions you get you should maybe try and change the way you conduct yourself during the games.
My name was said ? Whatever it was then yes .
Aaaaah the Auction Draft, count me in.
What's the score for this round of drafting?
What do you prefer :
1. Reversing the order of the last reinforcement picks and have 2 rounds.
OR
2. Having a sheep style reinforcement with 2 sheep rounds, no second/third attempts, no blocks. Two shots at getting two player, plain and simple. In that if a player is picked by two or more he will still be there for the second round.
In case we go with the first option we can use the sheep style before the final.
@Edgar Allan Pillow @Brwned @Thisistheone @Gio @Polaroid
1. Reversing the order of the last reinforcement picks and have 2 rounds.
OR
2. Having a sheep style reinforcement with 2 sheep rounds, no second/third attempts, no blocks. Two shots at getting two player, plain and simple. In that if a player is picked by two or more he will still be there for the second round.
In case we go with the first option we can use the sheep style before the final.
@Edgar Allan Pillow @Brwned @Thisistheone @Gio @Polaroid
1 then 2 for the final will close it neatly
Personally I prefer option 1 but it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense to have a sheep round with two people so option 2 gets my vote. Not all that fussed either way though.
I honestly don't mind. Option 1 will ensure all 4 sides are stronger for the Semi's. Option 2 is possibly more fun.
Probably option 1, but I'm too shagged to think of the implications of it all.
1 it is then.
Here is the order
Polaroid :
Gio :
Thisistheone :
Edgar Allan Pillow :
@Polaroid can start picking. 8 hours deadline for every pick.
Here is the order
Polaroid :
Gio :
Thisistheone :
Edgar Allan Pillow :
@Polaroid can start picking. 8 hours deadline for every pick.
2 rounds, in case I forgot to mention it.
I will check the available player pool, will pick within 10
Surely you will pick a full back this time
Some great ones available as well
Some great ones available as well
What's the player pool here?