The First Redcafe Sheep Draft

Chesterlestreet said:
Also, looking at this from a quasi-legal point of view...the premise for this round is that both picks are eligible: You pick A (fail, because someone else has picked him) and B (pass, nobody else picked him). You're then required to pick C (a player who meets the general criteria and whose stint at club X did not coincide with player B's). All fair and well. But if player A wasn't eligible to begin with (because he had been picked in a previous round) the very premise crumbles, doesn't it?

So, if you're running this thing, what do you do: Tell the manager that he can't pick A (because he has been picked already, in a previous round) or just register his pick as a "fail"? The latter would seem to indicate that the player was eligible, no? But he clearly wasn't. And this fact, his ineligibility, has consequences beyond the manager not getting his pick. It influences the further proceedings directly - and that is highly dubious, one might argue.
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I think you over thinking this.

What if he the player A had been picked in pick 2 of this round and the player had only been picked by someone in pick 1. He would still be ineligible and falls in the same scenario as yours.

Essentially it is very simple and anto covered it. Mod is under no obligation to baby sit managers. This is quite taxing draft to mod anyway, not checking who or who has not been picked before is very poor form and deserves no mercy from Mod
 
crappycraperson said:
I think you over thinking this.

What if he the player A had been picked in pick 2 of this round and the player had only been picked by someone in pick 1. He would still be ineligible and falls in the same scenario as yours.

Essentially it is very simple and anto covered it. Mod is under no obligation to baby sit managers. This is quite taxing draft to mod anyway, not checking who or who has not been picked before is very poor form and deserves no mercy from Mod
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He wouldn't - if I understand your example. My player A belongs to a pool of players that aren't eligible to begin with. That is the difference. But I agree in general - it should be the manager's responsibility to make sure his picks are eligible. My overly elaborated point was just that in this particular round it would be of interest not to allow any ineligible players into the mix at all, so to speak.
 
Jesus, @AldoPaine18 how about making 4 stages instead of 3? I think plenty of managers won't be getting a player from the banned list, 4 rounds will make it more likely and it's better because managers who won't get a player from that list will look a lot weaker than managers who will
 
VivaJanuzaj said:
Jesus, @AldoPaine18 how about making 4 stages instead of 3? I think plenty of managers won't be getting a player from the banned list, 4 rounds will make it more likely and it's better because managers who won't get a player from that list will look a lot weaker than managers who will
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3 is fine, man. So many players are there, should be okay.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
Also, looking at this from a quasi-legal point of view...the premise for this round is that both picks are eligible: You pick A (fail, because someone else has picked him) and B (pass, nobody else picked him). You're then required to pick C (a player who meets the general criteria and whose stint at club X did not coincide with player B's). All fair and well. But if player A wasn't eligible to begin with (because he had been picked in a previous round) the very premise crumbles, doesn't it?

So, if you're running this thing, what do you do: Tell the manager that he can't pick A (because he has been picked already, in a previous round) or just register his pick as a "fail"? The latter would seem to indicate that the player was eligible, no? But he clearly wasn't. And this fact, his ineligibility, has consequences beyond the manager not getting his pick. It influences the further proceedings directly - and that is highly dubious, one might argue.
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Well, i would disagree with that too :D

The pass rule is both players. The 'premise' you are indicating is Player A being the primary, which is not the case. Either A or B passes, the other should be from the same club, so whoever passes becomes the primary.

Second point is a bit redundant, a fail is a fail and player gets added to the banned list. I don't see why already picked in same round, already picked in previous round or being ineligible should make a difference here. All 3 don't match the success criteria and the result should be a equal fail!
 
Chesterlestreet said:
Aye. It's also how the Nazis got started - and all that. But it's good entertainment - beats table tennis any day.
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Stobzilla said:
Just as long as you realise that it is all your fault.
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Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Well, i would disagree with that too :D

The pass rule is both players. The 'premise' you are indicating is Player A being the primary, which is not the case. Either A or B passes, the other should be from the same club, so whoever passes becomes the primary.

Second point is a bit redundant, a fail is a fail and player gets added to the banned list. I don't see why already picked in same round, already picked in previous round or being ineligible should make a difference here. All 3 don't match the success criteria and the result should be a equal fail!
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I was wrong. :(
 
VivaJanuzaj said:
Jesus, @AldoPaine18 how about making 4 stages instead of 3? I think plenty of managers won't be getting a player from the banned list, 4 rounds will make it more likely and it's better because managers who won't get a player from that list will look a lot weaker than managers who will
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I think the idea is that the managers with sheep in the team can't take too big a risk and improve too drastically, while the ones with an already working team deserve a shot at a great player for the good job so far. 3 rounds seem a great choice to me (there are also 3 German players available, so I can take three shots :D )
 
AldoPaine18 said:
No, as I said if you manage to get someone from the banned list you have to swap him with someone in the squad.

Final squads will all be of 12 players.
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I missed that :(

What happens to the swapped player? Does he get added to the pool for subsequent rounds for other managers?
After a successful pick should a manager PM you on swapped players?
Still this gives option to be rid of 2 sheep! Makes interesting game henceforth, but still :mad:
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
I missed that :(

What happens to the swapped player? Does he get added to the pool for subsequent rounds for other managers?
After a successful pick should a manager PM you on swapped players?
Still this gives option to be rid of 2 sheep! Makes interesting game henceforth, but still :mad:
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This will be the last round of the draft, the tournament begins after that.

The players swapped out of the draft are simply out of the draft, not in any pool or anything.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
I missed that :(

What happens to the swapped player? Does he get added to the pool for subsequent rounds for other managers?
After a successful pick should a manager PM you on swapped players?
Still this gives option to be rid of 2 sheep! Makes interesting game henceforth, but still :mad:
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No, once you get one player you don't then pick another player if you are successful in round 1.
 
@Snipers Breath ......... Am I the only one going crazy over the prospect of the banned list round to start now? I'm fecking restless, come on!

I know I'll get disappointed. I have this feeling ahead - I'm going to make bad choices..
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Well, i would disagree with that too :D

The pass rule is both players. The 'premise' you are indicating is Player A being the primary, which is not the case. Either A or B passes, the other should be from the same club, so whoever passes becomes the primary.

Second point is a bit redundant, a fail is a fail and player gets added to the banned list. I don't see why already picked in same round, already picked in previous round or being ineligible should make a difference here. All 3 don't match the success criteria and the result should be a equal fail!
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Nay, brother - you're wrong. The premise is that BOTH players are eligible to begin with. I used the ineligible one as Player A - but it could of course equally well be Player B. Primary or secondary makes no difference. The point is simple: A player who has already been picked/banned shouldn't be a part of the equation at all.

The question is whether you punish a manager for picking such a player or not.
 
I'm liking the blocked element in this last round though. There will be an evil sort of pleasure, knowing you've thwarted someone from getting an incredible/vital pick.

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Thisistheone said:
I'm liking the blocked element in this last round though. There will be an evil sort of pleasure, knowing you've thwarted someone from getting an incredible/vital pick.

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I just hope people will use their brains while blocking players for others
 
I just realised, that I have to pick someone in the first round, even if I plan to go for the player I want in the 2nd round. Let's say I go for Messi first, just to mess with you guys, block Matthäus with the plan to pick Matthäus in the 2nd round, then I end up with Messi and can't pick again. That would be weird, Messi benched in the game, because I don't want to screw up my theme.
 
Balu said:
I just realised, that I have to pick someone in the first round, even if I plan to go for the player I want in the 2nd round. Let's say I go for Messi first, just to mess with you guys, block Matthäus with the plan to pick Matthäus in the 2nd round, then I end up with Messi and can't pick again. That would be weird, Messi benched in the game, because I don't want to screw up my theme.
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Decent option from the bench, though. Super-sub, even.
 
Alright.. I am off to bed.. slept only 4 hours last night due to CL. See you tomorrow for the next round!
 
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