Good stuff. I know the storyline is meant to be brilliant but what are the other aspects of the game like?
Gaming The Final Fantasy Thread
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It's a DnD game so stat based combat with abilities having uses per day, but combat isn't as difficult as in Baldur's Gate though.
The story, setting and dialogue are really the key points of the game. Do NOT neglect charisma as a stat, it's really important for all the conversations you have to navigate. The setting is great, everything plays to the setting too- it does feel like a real place in some alternate dimension.
If you are prepared to read you will enjoy the game immensely.
Edit: do not play the game like you would do any modern day RPGs- Dialogue is not always choose one and go back to listen to the next one. You actually need to consider what is being said and pick your reply carefully- you can easily fail conversations and miss out on EXP.
The story, setting and dialogue are really the key points of the game. Do NOT neglect charisma as a stat, it's really important for all the conversations you have to navigate. The setting is great, everything plays to the setting too- it does feel like a real place in some alternate dimension.
If you are prepared to read you will enjoy the game immensely.
Edit: do not play the game like you would do any modern day RPGs- Dialogue is not always choose one and go back to listen to the next one. You actually need to consider what is being said and pick your reply carefully- you can easily fail conversations and miss out on EXP.
Thanks for that, won't forget that about Charisma. I saw a 'Let's Play' video on Youtube and noticed the guy put a lot into that. It was ridiculously useful in the latest Fallout games so I guessed in something as reading intensive as this that it was going to be integral.
No worries 
Yeah I read up on the importance of each stat before I started the game, I'd recommend you do the same but from memory it's Wisdom as high as you can>Charisma upto 14> Intellect upto 12, more if you do the quest to become a mage then its whatever you prefer for your character. Don't quote me on it though, it's just a rough guide
Yeah I read up on the importance of each stat before I started the game, I'd recommend you do the same but from memory it's Wisdom as high as you can>Charisma upto 14> Intellect upto 12, more if you do the quest to become a mage then its whatever you prefer for your character. Don't quote me on it though, it's just a rough guide
Right, I'm going to do exactly that and if I end up getting it handed to me I'll know where to come.
Nah, cheers. I'll read up a bit more before I do start this game but that's good to know.
Nah, cheers. I'll read up a bit more before I do start this game but that's good to know.
Ahh, I've just read up more about Planescape: Torment and decided that I have been an absolute retard to live for 21 years on this planet without having played it. Sorry, Revan! Will come back round to FF8 after that.
I'm getting giddy reading up the reviews about it. Amazingly, the sequel to it has been completely crowd-funded to the extent that it has reached over 4 times the original amount required to make that game.
Cheers mate! You're going to give me some hits about this though. It is in my never-ending to do list.
Hope you'll enjoy it.
Thanks. No problem, will do.
The Junction system on this is unlike anything in any other FF and is an absolute gem. It just looks like a complete train wreck at the start though. Everyone I knew who ever played it as a youngster when it came out went through half the game with the characters being roughly about as strong as they were when they first started. It just seemed absolutely mad at the time.
No problem, will do.The Junction system on this is unlike anything in any other FF and is an absolute gem. It just looks like a complete train wreck at the start though. Everyone I knew who ever played it as a youngster when it came out went through half the game with the characters being roughly about as strong as they were when they first started. It just seemed absolutely mad at the time.
Thanks.
The Junction system on this is unlike anything in any other FF and is an absolute gem. It just looks like a complete train wreck at the start though. Everyone I knew who ever played it as a youngster when it came out went through half the game with the characters being roughly about as strong as they were when they first started. It just seemed absolutely mad at the time.
All three of the PS1 systems were great, really. The Junction system though, that was immense. Once used to it, it was incredibly easy to customize characters to suit situations or tactics. If you put a little work in, you could be incredibly well set up near right off the bat.
No worries
Yeah I read up on the importance of each stat before I started the game, I'd recommend you do the same but from memory it's Wisdom as high as you can>Charisma upto 14> Intellect upto 12, more if you do the quest to become a mage then its whatever you prefer for your character. Don't quote me on it though, it's just a rough guide
So I started Planescape: Torment, tonight....
I think I've just spent about 2 hours in one corner of a room simply listening to what 2 different people had to say.
It's the place with the burning man when you go south a screen or so from the mortuary and it's mostly because of 'Candrian' in the corner.Needless to say, the level of thought that has gone into this game is absolutely ridiculous. That guy in particular...what he said literally melded together a dozen or so different philosophies, some of which being highly complex and obscure. As for the guy a few feet away, him and 'The Nameless One' have to some extent just gone over the internalism/externalism issue.
An epistemological debate...in a video game.I thought when I read that the dialogue was good that the characters and NPCs would just have a lot to say; I didn't know that equated to many characters coming complete with their own complex and extensive outlook on life! At the very least, every single character on this game has a distinctly shaped personality, but some of them are just outright fascinating.
Yeah the game is crazy. My favourite convo was in some Dustman faction quest with an elderly woman who almost died through illness and now wants to keep living, which is against the dustman belief system. For the benefit of anyone reading who hasn't played the game, the dustmen believe that life is a burden to be struggled through until you are able to cast off all your emotions and connection to life and accept 'true death'- the eternal blackness which is as they believe the only true peace.
She had been a high ranking member of the guild for many decades and you had to persuade her to continue practising and see this as a test of faith- ofc you can convince her of other things, but for the quest you needed to keep her on board with the faction.
She had been a high ranking member of the guild for many decades and you had to persuade her to continue practising and see this as a test of faith- ofc you can convince her of other things, but for the quest you needed to keep her on board with the faction.
Didn't know you could join the Dustmen, quality.
Shit, I was up until about half 6 this morning playing this. It doesn't surprise me at all how much the sequel's crowd-funding target was surpassed by - a modern day sequel to this game is going to shit on absolutely everything.
I started The Witcher about half a year ago and enjoyed it (despite only reaching the third chapter) but this is so, so much better.
Shit, I was up until about half 6 this morning playing this. It doesn't surprise me at all how much the sequel's crowd-funding target was surpassed by - a modern day sequel to this game is going to shit on absolutely everything.
I started The Witcher about half a year ago and enjoyed it (despite only reaching the third chapter) but this is so, so much better.
This game... It's going to ruin everything, I have no idea how I'm going to go back to anything else now. I know I'm late to the party as far as this game is concerned and that this is pointless but still...if anyone's not yet played it then I hope this provides some encouragement.
To give another example of the standard of writing: there is a little quest in one of the areas of the city the game is set in involving two female characters separated from one another (can't remember why). The first one (Nemelle) when she talks to you does so as if she is narrating her own life, so during discussion she's not really conversing with you so much as she is reading out the scene as it would be written in a book. Instead of saying 'thanks' then, she instead would say something along the lines of 'Nemelle thanked the stranger for his kindness". This is obviously very weird and there's no clear reason as to why she talks like that on first impressions.
Anyway, it transpires you need to find this other woman that she was separated from and reunite the pair. When you do find her, this second woman says that the two of them are 'different' and that they are from a set of people whose feelings and thoughts directly impact people (this is meant literally - in this game there is a lot of talk about the way thoughts shape reality and the 'outer planes'). This second woman also says regarding the first woman that she must learn to control her thoughts if she is to stay 'here', and that this is the moral thing to do around people who do not have the same intentional effect with their thoughts.
Going back to the first woman, you then tell her that you've found the second woman and, in turn, she explains her delight at the situation ("Nemelle showed her deep gratitude to the stranger", etc...) and goes to see her. At this point, the second woman - who was previously so calm and composed - is then overjoyed at seeing 'Nemelle' again and descends into the same weird narrating that the first woman was doing. When she calms down, she returns to normal once more and stops narrating the scene out loud.
This is so clever because I can only conclude that the reason they've done this with the narrating is to give further shape to the idea that the two characters are cautious not to impose their feelings on others. By talking in this manner, they are not directing intentions and feelings 'at' the main character; they are instead upholding their morality and directing their intention at the situation itself. Resultantly, the main character is not the main object of their 'intention' and thought during the conversation and is not affected by them.
I found that absolutely amazing. The extent of the depth and invention that has gone into a 5 minute episode involving these two NPCs just to enrich them as characters is mind-boggling considering how insignificant they are. Not only have they depicted the constant effort of the first character to avoid impacting others with her intentions, but they've also shown with the second character, despite her superiority, a level of imperfection that came out when she couldn't control her emotions. The writers just leave that there for you to give or take though without directly explaining why it is the two characters are like that, it's quality.
It's going to ruin everything, I have no idea how I'm going to go back to anything else now. I know I'm late to the party as far as this game is concerned and that this is pointless but still...if anyone's not yet played it then I hope this provides some encouragement.To give another example of the standard of writing: there is a little quest in one of the areas of the city the game is set in involving two female characters separated from one another (can't remember why). The first one (Nemelle) when she talks to you does so as if she is narrating her own life, so during discussion she's not really conversing with you so much as she is reading out the scene as it would be written in a book. Instead of saying 'thanks' then, she instead would say something along the lines of 'Nemelle thanked the stranger for his kindness". This is obviously very weird and there's no clear reason as to why she talks like that on first impressions.
Anyway, it transpires you need to find this other woman that she was separated from and reunite the pair. When you do find her, this second woman says that the two of them are 'different' and that they are from a set of people whose feelings and thoughts directly impact people (this is meant literally - in this game there is a lot of talk about the way thoughts shape reality and the 'outer planes'). This second woman also says regarding the first woman that she must learn to control her thoughts if she is to stay 'here', and that this is the moral thing to do around people who do not have the same intentional effect with their thoughts.
Going back to the first woman, you then tell her that you've found the second woman and, in turn, she explains her delight at the situation ("Nemelle showed her deep gratitude to the stranger", etc...) and goes to see her. At this point, the second woman - who was previously so calm and composed - is then overjoyed at seeing 'Nemelle' again and descends into the same weird narrating that the first woman was doing. When she calms down, she returns to normal once more and stops narrating the scene out loud.
This is so clever because I can only conclude that the reason they've done this with the narrating is to give further shape to the idea that the two characters are cautious not to impose their feelings on others. By talking in this manner, they are not directing intentions and feelings 'at' the main character; they are instead upholding their morality and directing their intention at the situation itself. Resultantly, the main character is not the main object of their 'intention' and thought during the conversation and is not affected by them.
I found that absolutely amazing. The extent of the depth and invention that has gone into a 5 minute episode involving these two NPCs just to enrich them as characters is mind-boggling considering how insignificant they are. Not only have they depicted the constant effort of the first character to avoid impacting others with her intentions, but they've also shown with the second character, despite her superiority, a level of imperfection that came out when she couldn't control her emotions. The writers just leave that there for you to give or take though without directly explaining why it is the two characters are like that, it's quality.
Bump.
After more than a month of pause in gaming, I started Final Fantasy VIII tonight. Not playing much, just seen the beginning of the game and read the tutorial that is on the game of how things go, and it looks that it is more difficult. Didn't understand entirely the junction part, is it that similar to materia?
Anyway, let's see how things will go.
After more than a month of pause in gaming, I started Final Fantasy VIII tonight. Not playing much, just seen the beginning of the game and read the tutorial that is on the game of how things go, and it looks that it is more difficult. Didn't understand entirely the junction part, is it that similar to materia?
Anyway, let's see how things will go.
I didn't think it was that close, but I guess it does have similarities.
Basically junctioning uses the magic that you gather. The highest you can gather is 100, and to do this you can either draw from monsters, draw from draw points or refine items using skills learnt by GFS.
What i can say is you should play cards a lot because this will get you the items once you refine the cards using a skill learnt by the GF Quetzocotl or whatever his name is.
What i can say is you should play cards a lot because this will get you the items once you refine the cards using a skill learnt by the GF Quetzocotl or whatever his name is.
You'll get the hang of it. Basically GFs decide abilities and what stats you can improve and junctioning magic improves the stat.
IIRC, you shouldn't junction all your GF's to your party, but spread them between everyone, or you can be stuck powerless at points.
I started this again about a month ago, took a bit longer to get back into it then 7 & 9 but am well into Disc 3 now and really enjoying it again.
One of the best abilities you can learn is "Recovery/Life Magic Refine" from Siren I think it is? You can then refine 1 Tent into 10 Curagas, do that for 100 Curagas and Junction it to your HP and it will improve greatly, or any stat to be honest
One of the best abilities you can learn is "Recovery/Life Magic Refine" from Siren I think it is? You can then refine 1 Tent into 10 Curagas, do that for 100 Curagas and Junction it to your HP and it will improve greatly, or any stat to be honest
I love that you get wages, and don't have to rely on grinding for cash, though you should grind for materials and cards anyway. Actually, one game I quite enjoyed grinding. Have it downloaded for my Vita last night.
So close to finish VIII now, I have the ship and am about to go finish but other games keep pulling me off
So close to finish VIII now, I have the ship and am about to go finish but other games keep pulling me off
Mate, are you playing in PC or on emulator? If on PC, are the differences in music that big that 'ruin' the game or some other things. I installed Roses and Wine mod, but know I have to battle without music so I had to uninstall it.
To be honest, I'm probably overly funny about the music's impact on the game, Revan. The difference in music quality is huge in my opinion (it's a very cheap sounding MIDI on the PC version - not just poorer quality but different instrumental sounds) but maybe you wouldn't feel so strongly about it if you play it without having heard what the other version is like. There is a post on the first page of http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?topic=13715.0 that says something about how to make the battle theme and world map themes work though, so maybe that's the way to go.
It definitely won't ruin the game either way. There's just something pretty special about the way Uematsu's scores enrich the FF series and I can't help but think the lower quality scores would detract from what are all such excellent stories. In any case, it'll make you really appreciate the brilliance of FF9.
It definitely won't ruin the game either way. There's just something pretty special about the way Uematsu's scores enrich the FF series and I can't help but think the lower quality scores would detract from what are all such excellent stories. In any case, it'll make you really appreciate the brilliance of FF9.
think you installed it wrong, I have it all
Well, how you can install Roses and Wine wrong? You just install it, choose all the music and then finish.
Started screwing about with VIII yesterday, have about 3 and a half hours in, only left the Garden for 5 minutes to get the card rule Diff from the Queen, entire rest of the time playing cards. Sweet cards already.
Need to decide if I want everyones(bar Irvine, of course) Ultimate Weapon right on disc one. Lotta work though.
Need to decide if I want everyones(bar Irvine, of course) Ultimate Weapon right on disc one. Lotta work though.
1) Why should I exactly play card games? From what I am understanding, sometime later in the game I can transform some cards into rare items.
2) When should I start playing card games? Now, I have just finished the first quest (defeating Ifrit). Should I start immediately playing card games, or should I wait just in case I find better cards (all my cards are level 1).
3) Is something else I should know about card games?
2) When should I start playing card games? Now, I have just finished the first quest (defeating Ifrit). Should I start immediately playing card games, or should I wait just in case I find better cards (all my cards are level 1).
3) Is something else I should know about card games?
The cards are basically a goldmine for almost every item and spell, things can be gotten a lot earlier than would be possible otherwise, for example, I have enough Enoyle(sp?) cards to make some of the items needed for Squall's best weapon, and now, with a little bit of grinding, I could have it before halfway through the first disc. I was going to do it for everyone, but I'd need like another 60 of this card, along with some other stuff, not sure I have the patience to do all that.
Regardless, the card game is really fun in it's own right, and quite easy long as you avoid the Random rule like the plague. You'll have the Ifrit card now, which should make building up your deck easy. Once you get a few decent cards, you can work towards some of the early rare cards, a couple are available in the Garden.
Regardless, the card game is really fun in it's own right, and quite easy long as you avoid the Random rule like the plague. You'll have the Ifrit card now, which should make building up your deck easy. Once you get a few decent cards, you can work towards some of the early rare cards, a couple are available in the Garden.
Yeah, good advice on the random rule. If you ever go somewhere and you're playing with random rules, make absolutely sure not to spread it to another area. A person will say something like "I see you play with rules that are not familiar with this area..." or something like that. Never ever play someone after having played somewhere with the random rule if they say that! It'll make getting some of the more rare cards in the game such an annoying process. The one to spread is the open rule, from memory.
The ability you want by the way is the 'Card-RF' one. It turns cards into items, which can then be refined with other '-RF' abilities from all the GFs. Some of the best cards in the game can actually be obtained right at the start in Garden/Balamb so would definitely recommend looking up where to get them if you're only going to play this once. There are a few ones that you only have one attempt at getting until the end of the game if you want anyone on here to list them (there are only four I can think of).
Oh shit yeah, another thing...do not ever miss the chance to draw from bosses! Always, draw at least one of everything they have if you don't have it already. A lot of bosses actually have GFs! If you miss them, you've lost them all the way up until the end of the game. You've not missed anything from Ifrit, though.
The ability you want by the way is the 'Card-RF' one. It turns cards into items, which can then be refined with other '-RF' abilities from all the GFs. Some of the best cards in the game can actually be obtained right at the start in Garden/Balamb so would definitely recommend looking up where to get them if you're only going to play this once. There are a few ones that you only have one attempt at getting until the end of the game if you want anyone on here to list them (there are only four I can think of).
Oh shit yeah, another thing...do not ever miss the chance to draw from bosses! Always, draw at least one of everything they have if you don't have it already. A lot of bosses actually have GFs! If you miss them, you've lost them all the way up until the end of the game. You've not missed anything from Ifrit, though.
Auto-junctioning isa good idea or not? Usually in RPG games auto-leveling is pretty shit, so an important question. Is there a big disadvantage if I set junction to auto (Magic, Attacking or Defensive) and don't care much for that? Is the AI smart enough to do it good, or do I have to junction every magic to get the best results. And the second part is, from what I am understanding the more magic I junction the better. If I junction 100 amount of a magic that raises a stat. If then I use let's say 20 amount of that magic, now the stat which is linked to that magic will decrease for 20%. Correct?
Yeah, if you use the junctioned magic, or junction a lesser amount, the stat boost is lower/lowered.
As for auto, dunno, never done it, I'd prefer to do it myself really, I suppose it'd be fine, unless you want a mix, like high mag+high hp, or high atk+high mag def, or whatever.
Played it for a few days, forgot out utterly dirrrty FF's can be, using Selphie in my team, nearly every thing she does in battle results in a panty shot. Got Squall's Lionheart, Selphie's Strange Vision, Zell's Ehrigez(sp?) and the parts to make Rinoa's Shooting Star. Got bored of trying to find Enoyle cards while I can't return to Garden, so I ut it away for a bit until I fancy continuing the story instead, and moved on to FFV for a while. Read a thread about VII and almost ended up going for that, but my last swing at that I got Beta first time near the marshes and well, pretty much a game breaker.
As for auto, dunno, never done it, I'd prefer to do it myself really, I suppose it'd be fine, unless you want a mix, like high mag+high hp, or high atk+high mag def, or whatever.
Played it for a few days, forgot out utterly dirrrty FF's can be, using Selphie in my team, nearly every thing she does in battle results in a panty shot. Got Squall's Lionheart, Selphie's Strange Vision, Zell's Ehrigez(sp?) and the parts to make Rinoa's Shooting Star. Got bored of trying to find Enoyle cards while I can't return to Garden, so I ut it away for a bit until I fancy continuing the story instead, and moved on to FFV for a while. Read a thread about VII and almost ended up going for that, but my last swing at that I got Beta first time near the marshes and well, pretty much a game breaker.
Thanks Earthquake. I am still at the very beginning, played 2 hours yesterday only to card a lot of enemies. The tyrannosaurus was a pain in the arse cause I only had Squall and the fecker had 13000hp. I used about 40 blizzards on him until I carded him. Seems that the leveling up here is entirely different from the games I have played, in fact I am starting to think that the leveling up is actually a bad thing cause the enemies level up with me. Is the right way to junction magic to become stronger but to don't level up because if I don't, then the enemies don't level up too. So, the way to go is actually to not kill but card enemies?
So, is Versus going to be renamed FFXV for PS4?
Correct. That is the best way to go. There are some enemies which you have no choice but to kill but they won't take your level up too much. A fault which many have with the game is that with not leveling up/having powerful junction magic, you can kill many enemies within one hit. It's actually best to either card enemies or just run away from them. I'd recommend getting Enc-None on Diablo ASAP.
I don't have Diablo yet. I only have 2 first GM that you start the game with and Ifrit which I get on the end of the first mission. Just started the game and seeing how things are. And carding a lot of enemies to make a good deck.
He is available near the start of the game so you'll get him soon. The gatekeeper at Garden has a lot of good cards IIRC.
Yup, that's the best way to go definitely. Don't forget to get Card Mod straight away too, as you'll be able to get Blizzaga etc, Tornado and all the other great spells right off the bat.
Oh yeah, Enc-None is absolutely vital. Most messed up system since FFII, but damn, is it brilliant.
Yeah, the gatekeeper, the lad you get Quisitis card off of, the cafeteria lady on the left, the doctor, Cid(has Seifer's card) and Zell's mum(has Zell's card) are the best in the area. That little boy in the blue t-shirt is pretty decent too, and has the moogle card.
I'd suggest collecting some Abyss Worm cards to make Tornados, can't remember which is the best to get Quakes, I know T-rexaur but I think there might be a better option.
Oh! Galya cards too, to get Mystery Fluids/Meltdown spells. Probably the most important spell you could have for casting, and a good junction choice sometimes.
Think you need the Siren GF to convert Mystery Fluids to spells though.
Think you need the Siren GF to convert Mystery Fluids to spells though.
Thanks Earthquake, though I am still at the very beginning and I am not understanding all the stuff. Anyway, now I have played 6 hours. The last couple of hours was playing some shit players that are at the entrance (the jogger, another guy and the blonde girl). I've won all the games, with 2-3 draws there. Now I have a lot of different cards and some of them are pretty powerful. Anyway, I haven't played with better players where the challenge begins. But there is time for that. I have started to get Card Mod but it requires 80AP, and at the moment I don't have it but when I decide to make some battles I'll get it. Cheers!
I don't think you need to worry about trying to avoid levelling up. Junctioning alone makes the game piss easy.
Best place for AP for skills at the start is the beach, the fish give out 3 each.
No real need to worry about it, but if you're grinding for AP, there's no need to pump your levels up, especially when you have the Card ability handy.