Chrono Cross is excellent, but not as good as Chrono Trigger for me. I never really embraced the fact that there's about 40 playable characters. It was a good idea in theory but a bit of a jumbled mess and a "where the feck do I begin?" when actually played.
Gaming The Final Fantasy Thread
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How do you guys all play these games? Can't surely still all own perfect working versions? And Emulator are so fiddly I seem to get stuck at some point in any game... is there an easier way? Or is that how most of you do it?
How are emulators fiddly? Generally just have to load the rom/iso and away you go. Can also adjust the speed and save whenever you want which makes things quicker/easier.
Well most classic FF's are available on the PSN relatively cheap, and the SNES ones are on the DS. SNES and PS1 emulators are very stable now and run well on most half decent computers.
VII has a PC version that works perfectly, IV, VI and Chrono Trigger can be played in ZSNES and they work perfectly there. Even better, you can save wherever you want.
VIII has a PC version but I haven't tested yet, while IX and X can be played in PSX and PS2 emulators (though it looks that there is some work to configure them).
IIRC the PSX emulator I used three or four years ago was pretty easy and worked well on a very modest laptop.
Yeah, I played X on PCXS2 recently with no problems at all
Same. I followed a configuration video and had no problems whatsoever.
Thanks KingEric, an excellent review for Chrono Cross.
I wasn't expecting that you will say that this game is better than Chrono Trigger, I never heard anyone say it, and probably to some people it will look like blasphemy (I am waiting to see Lambs and Cina reactions).
Saying that, now I am pretty sure that I will play it, but as you said going to play first, the three remaining good Final Fantasy game, especially the ninth Final Fantasy, the game which some people say that is in the same level as FF6 and FF7.
Glad that you're enjoying it so much, and it looks that you'll spent about a hundred hours on it.
No problem, cheers. Yeah was expecting a bit of a backlash with that one.
The stuff with time travelling that you dislike on CT by the way...I won't give away too many details as opposed to what this is like or isn't like, but you'll prefer the game in this aspect.
9 really is all that. I don't know why I tell myself that I prefer 7 and 10 - I remember when I first played it I thought it was the best game I ever played. These sort of sentiments remained through various other playthroughs. I have a feeling when I go through it again I'll see it as being at least as good as any other.
There are too many unnecessary characters, no doubt. You stop taking notice of them once it gets beyond about 10 or so but as you say there are genuinely about 40!
I think it really blitzes Chrono Trigger in many other aspects, though. The stuff they've weaved with Serge is so compelling. Shows that you can still develop a quality story with a character even if he doesn't actually say anything...
Talking about FF8 FWIW -
How are they fiddly first of all... I have the same problem constantly at a certain point at disk 3, no emulator/BIOS or combination that I have used has been able to get past it at all... my PC runs it fun obviously I have much higher specs than necessary as you don't really need much at all... It appears though that I haven't found a working one yet and I have used Espxe, Fpse and 1 other but I can't think of the name.
I looked for FFVIII on the playstation (and even to buy an old ps2 as I don't have a console anymore) but it seems the prices are a lot higher than I expected.... which I held onto my original copy... and I'm speaking about FFVIII btw...
I have a copy of VIII's PC Version as I bought the PS version I felt it entitled me to be an illegal downloader for once
but as much as it runs and starts, lots of the game have been dropped/ left out and there is a different format, its a PC version rather than PSX version built for the PC if that makes sense....
How are they fiddly first of all... I have the same problem constantly at a certain point at disk 3, no emulator/BIOS or combination that I have used has been able to get past it at all... my PC runs it fun obviously I have much higher specs than necessary as you don't really need much at all... It appears though that I haven't found a working one yet and I have used Espxe, Fpse and 1 other but I can't think of the name.
I looked for FFVIII on the playstation (and even to buy an old ps2 as I don't have a console anymore) but it seems the prices are a lot higher than I expected.... which I held onto my original copy... and I'm speaking about FFVIII btw...
I have a copy of VIII's PC Version as I bought the PS version I felt it entitled me to be an illegal downloader for once
but as much as it runs and starts, lots of the game have been dropped/ left out and there is a different format, its a PC version rather than PSX version built for the PC if that makes sense....I would be more than happy for you guys to let me know what worked for you, would be very appreciative as after putting a good 50 hours in FFVIII at the VERY end of the 3rd disk (out of 4) just before it gets good, I cannot get past that '**fing scene with Rinoa in the Ragnarok, its well documented as there its lots written about it, but I cannot find one definite fix...
I have lost my save file now anyway but would be more than prepared to restart all way from beginning again if someone has tested or done FFVIII on an emulator previously?
I have lost my save file now anyway but would be more than prepared to restart all way from beginning again if someone has tested or done FFVIII on an emulator previously?
I've been playing FFVIII on FPse for Android on my S3 using my PS3 controller and one of these. It has worked very well for me but I haven't got to the end of the first disk yet, so don't know how it'll handle switching to the new game file.
No idea on what to do regarding PC emulation, though, but my experience of it on mobile is good.
No idea on what to do regarding PC emulation, though, but my experience of it on mobile is good.
Can't you just plug yourself in via USB and control the game from your mind Damien?
I have a copy of VIII's PC Version as I bought the PS version I felt it entitled me to be an illegal downloader for once
I have literally just started VIII on my PC (PC version, not emulating although I configured eSPX emulator just in case). What do you mean the different format, does the game change in any way or what?
Sorry to tell you this mate but Fpse will have that problem, I ran it on my Nexus 7 and it will happen.. but enjoy it up to then
Its like a cut down version, a lot of events aren't there including certain extra GF's like Odin etc or is what I am lead to believe, hence why I got rid of it mate... still looking to buy a PSX version for a desent price... or find someone who has played 8 successfully all the way through...
Sorry to tell you this mate but Fpse will have that problem, I ran it on my Nexus 7 and it will happen.. but enjoy it up to then
Its like a cut down version, a lot of events aren't there including certain extra GF's like Odin etc or is what I am lead to believe, hence why I got rid of it mate... still looking to buy a PSX version for a desent price... or find someone who has played 8 successfully all the way through...
That's mental, how disappointing. You can't play FF with cut out content!
Searched and all I found was this:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/197343-final-fantasy-viii/52917867
Doesn't look that bad and it seems that there is a patch that improves the sound problem. Still I don't know if I should play this or the PSX version on emu, when I don't know if it is problems free.
Doesn't seem like there's a problem at all going by that thread. Strange. I always wondered what that chocobo world thing was like and it says in there that it's accessible with the PC version.
Finished Chrono Cross...they don't make storylines like that anymore.
My mind was absolutely shredded to pieces by the end of it but it was understood at least.
Again, for anyone who is interested in a boring wall of text...final thoughts:
The game's storyline was amazing as stated and probably the most complex of any game I've played. I've not gone through it in my head enough yet to credit it with being completely consistent and without contradiction, but it's probably an experience like no other I've had in any RPG (that's not to say it was the best). Another plus point is that it made me feel more connected with Chrono Trigger and added to the fondness I had of that game - it was nice for example seeing characters from that title in greater depth than Chrono Trigger was able to afford them, not to mention seeing a story that was so tied into it that Chrono Cross may as well have been dubbed a sequel.
This did however reaffirm that Chrono Trigger is very much lacking in some areas in comparison to some of the Playstation RPG titles that came after it. When I see Chrono Trigger ranked up there in all these top RPG lists just on the basis of quality, I can't help but think that nostalgia is getting in the way of judgement. It is a great game and must've been absolutely ridiculous back in the day, but as I rambled on about previously it falls way short of every Playstation FF, FF6, Xenogears and also Chrono Cross for me in terms of storyline and depth of character interaction. As Revan says, it's more akin to the earlier FF games I think. Maybe that's unfair - storyline isn't everything after all - but I think some of these titles tick more important boxes overall and have stronger strengths. Xenogears and Chrono Cross are a bit less balanced, but at least 4 of the FFs are undoubtedly better in my opinion.
Secondly, the soundtrack lived up to its promising start. Definitely Mitsuda's best score, in my opinion. I think there's still something about Uematsu's work which stands him above anyone in terms of how his ability to weave a melody contributes to the atmosphere of games, but this is easily one of the best OSTs I've heard. There are about 15 pieces off the top of my head that will be straight on my fairly nerdy video game music playlist, which is about as much as any other game has managed. I think only Skyrim stands up to that.
Finally, the ending was well done and very touching (that music!! Beautiful). I'll gladly admit that I shat it and looked up what you were meant to do, and that anyone who picked up on that and worked out/remembered the order without being told is some sort of RPG gaming version of Neo from The Matrix.
As far as criticisms go, there was unfortunately nothing like the standard and expansiveness of dialogue required for the pacing of that storyline to be spot on. This is a huge shame - there were some very key moments and twists in the story which should've been capitalised on and made into some of the greatest RPG moments of all time, particularly in the last chapter of the game whereby you were just completely pummelled with all sorts of madness. The discussions with
should've probably gone on for over an hour, but instead it felt rushed and invariably the atmosphere was disproportionate to the actual mindblowing madness that had just been explained. Instead it was more like, "oh yeah by the way, just before you go and feck up the big guy, we just thought we'd let you know that... *insert 20 ridiculous revelations in the space of thirty lines*. Good luck!"...
Next, the amount of characters obviously. This is mainly why the pacing was so off because there were so many random and pointless characters that they made it difficult to tie top quality dialogue and sidequests to all of them whilst properly linking them in with the story. It was retarded how little Harle was in the story for example when the character had an enormous role in how the plot ended up. If they'd just stuck with about 10 characters and added depth to each of them (instead of chucking in excess of 30 pointless characters into the storyline), it would've been a bit less all over the place and the ties with the characters would've been more at the level a story like that deserved and warranted.
There are some issues I have with the difficulty also despite the fact that they hindered your development (it should've been more challenging if they controlled the levelling), but ultimately it's those two criticisms up there that stop it from becoming a valid contender for the best RPG I've played. I mean that in a sort of positive way because the story and links with CT are so good that I feel it should be in that bracket.
The only criticism I can find at this time of the story at this moment is that
Despite that, it was a wonderful mindfeck and gaming experience overall. I'm suprised Square-Enix haven't capitalised on it and brought out the third yet (apparently there was a patent for Chrono Break before the failure of FF: The Spirits Within twatted it all up) given the fairly large loose end that was there to be tied up(unless I am mistaken and the new found harmony of the planet destroyed/nullified the frozen flame) , but at the same time I'm sort of glad. Given the nature of the two games and the form Square-Enix are in they'd actually run the risk of ruining the whole series, so perhaps some things are better left alone. They'd only go and build some absolutely retarded characters and a laughably shallow storyline around the whole timeline and make an absolute mockery out of the two games that preceded it.
Anyway, I'm guessing no-one will read all that, but yeah...good game! Time for FF:Tactics, I think.
My mind was absolutely shredded to pieces by the end of it but it was understood at least.
Again, for anyone who is interested in a boring wall of text...final thoughts:
The game's storyline was amazing as stated and probably the most complex of any game I've played. I've not gone through it in my head enough yet to credit it with being completely consistent and without contradiction, but it's probably an experience like no other I've had in any RPG (that's not to say it was the best). Another plus point is that it made me feel more connected with Chrono Trigger and added to the fondness I had of that game - it was nice for example seeing characters from that title in greater depth than Chrono Trigger was able to afford them, not to mention seeing a story that was so tied into it that Chrono Cross may as well have been dubbed a sequel.
This did however reaffirm that Chrono Trigger is very much lacking in some areas in comparison to some of the Playstation RPG titles that came after it. When I see Chrono Trigger ranked up there in all these top RPG lists just on the basis of quality, I can't help but think that nostalgia is getting in the way of judgement. It is a great game and must've been absolutely ridiculous back in the day, but as I rambled on about previously it falls way short of every Playstation FF, FF6, Xenogears and also Chrono Cross for me in terms of storyline and depth of character interaction. As Revan says, it's more akin to the earlier FF games I think. Maybe that's unfair - storyline isn't everything after all - but I think some of these titles tick more important boxes overall and have stronger strengths. Xenogears and Chrono Cross are a bit less balanced, but at least 4 of the FFs are undoubtedly better in my opinion.
Secondly, the soundtrack lived up to its promising start. Definitely Mitsuda's best score, in my opinion. I think there's still something about Uematsu's work which stands him above anyone in terms of how his ability to weave a melody contributes to the atmosphere of games, but this is easily one of the best OSTs I've heard. There are about 15 pieces off the top of my head that will be straight on my fairly nerdy video game music playlist, which is about as much as any other game has managed.
I think only Skyrim stands up to that.Finally, the ending was well done and very touching (that music!! Beautiful). I'll gladly admit that I shat it and looked up what you were meant to do, and that anyone who picked up on that and worked out/remembered the order without being told is some sort of RPG gaming version of Neo from The Matrix.
As far as criticisms go, there was unfortunately nothing like the standard and expansiveness of dialogue required for the pacing of that storyline to be spot on. This is a huge shame - there were some very key moments and twists in the story which should've been capitalised on and made into some of the greatest RPG moments of all time, particularly in the last chapter of the game whereby you were just completely pummelled with all sorts of madness. The discussions with
Belthasar and then Marle, Crono and Lucca at the end
Next, the amount of characters obviously. This is mainly why the pacing was so off because there were so many random and pointless characters that they made it difficult to tie top quality dialogue and sidequests to all of them whilst properly linking them in with the story. It was retarded how little Harle was in the story for example when the character had an enormous role in how the plot ended up. If they'd just stuck with about 10 characters and added depth to each of them (instead of chucking in excess of 30 pointless characters into the storyline), it would've been a bit less all over the place and the ties with the characters would've been more at the level a story like that deserved and warranted.
There are some issues I have with the difficulty also despite the fact that they hindered your development (it should've been more challenging if they controlled the levelling), but ultimately it's those two criticisms up there that stop it from becoming a valid contender for the best RPG I've played. I mean that in a sort of positive way because the story and links with CT are so good that I feel it should be in that bracket.
The only criticism I can find at this time of the story at this moment is that
Belthasar's masterplan seemed excessively complex! I don't know who I am to question the Prophet of Reason, but surely there must've been some other alternative to that...
Despite that, it was a wonderful mindfeck and gaming experience overall. I'm suprised Square-Enix haven't capitalised on it and brought out the third yet (apparently there was a patent for Chrono Break before the failure of FF: The Spirits Within twatted it all up) given the fairly large loose end that was there to be tied up(unless I am mistaken and the new found harmony of the planet destroyed/nullified the frozen flame) , but at the same time I'm sort of glad. Given the nature of the two games and the form Square-Enix are in they'd actually run the risk of ruining the whole series, so perhaps some things are better left alone. They'd only go and build some absolutely retarded characters and a laughably shallow storyline around the whole timeline and make an absolute mockery out of the two games that preceded it.
Anyway, I'm guessing no-one will read all that, but yeah...good game! Time for FF:Tactics, I think.
Decided to finally give the first FF a go. I'm enjoying it so far but the characters just being blank slates and there not being a great deal of plot is weird. It's probably due to when it was released and the limitations of the time but two things that I associate with the FF series being absent feels strange. Still being able to choose the jobs of my party so I can play the way I want is nice.
I wanted to play FFX so bad, it's on PS2 though...
Is there a PS2 emulator disgustingly available over the net?
Is there a PS2 emulator disgustingly available over the net?
I hear PCSX2 is disgustingly functional.
If it works, mind if you chuck me your specs so I can see what sort of computers can run it? Just to get a better idea of how shocking the situation is obviously.
If it works, mind if you chuck me your specs so I can see what sort of computers can run it? Just to get a better idea of how shocking the situation is obviously.
I hear PCSX2 is disgustingly functional.
If it works, mind if you chuck me your specs so I can see what sort of computers can run it? Just to get a better idea of how shocking the situation is obviously.
Runs quite well actually, I have used that emulator for other games.
Hell of a review KingEric, I really read it all.
I am thinking to play it somewhere in the future, but not right now, hopefully I am going to play it this year.
I am thinking to play it somewhere in the future, but not right now, hopefully I am going to play it this year.
Cheers, Revan. Didn't expect anyone to!
Yeah, can understand that - it's quality but there are better. How's FF8 treating you?
Didn't expect anyone to!Yeah, can understand that - it's quality but there are better. How's FF8 treating you?
Cheers, Revan.
Yeah, can understand that - it's quality but there are better. How's FF8 treating you?
It isn't.
Decided to play Bioshock: Infinite when it came out, and after I finished it, then what people do? Play the best game of that genre, the Deus Ex.
I am planning to return to Square after I finish DX though, but who knows. Maybe I will play DX sequels (which I never did), and System Shock 2. Or, probably I will go in a mix of one Square game and one game of that genre.
Ty guys i will give it a try tomorrow
Oh aye, I have a feeling I'll have to do the same at some point. It hit me the other day reading over the Bioshock and MGS threads that I've never actually played any of those games. Not Metal Gear Solid, System Shock, Deus Ex or Bioshock. I'm guessing that is absolutely retarded and should be sorted out immediately...
Was watching System Shock on Youtube the other day and it looks pretty intense actually! Not scary but a bit eery and spooky. Looked good. I really want to play Deus Ex but I read through the thread on here not long ago and read a massive plot related spoiler...
The big one, apparently.Edit: How is Deus Ex so far, by the way? I read somewhere it was levelled and not sandbox but still really want to play it at some point.
What sort of specs do you have out of interest? This is pretty lazy stuff by me sorry but thought I'd get an idea first before the big let down comes along somewhere down the line.
If you let me know what specs you have, I can tell you if you can run the emulator
I only need to know CPU, RAM and GFX
Final fantasy 8
Guys, turns out I was wrong about the PC version, it is identical to the PSX version and it makes it a lot easier to access Chocobo's world.
I now have a working version of this that installs on PC quite easily with a few simple tools such as Daemon Tools/Easy mount something to mount a virtual drive with..
Anyway, I will be uploading these files to a certain site later on tonight and if enough people are interested/ having problems with installation, I can write up a step by step guide on how to do this.
Also, with all the evil torrents out there, I can guarantee, not one torrent is 100% working, the way I made it work definitely DID NOT involve reading up a bit on comments etc and d/l'ing several different versions and using cracks/ from here there etc
Also, the only difference you need to know when installing is whether you have a GeoForce GFX card or not...
Anyway, if anyone fancies replaying 8, let me know... or Not
Guys, turns out I was wrong about the PC version, it is identical to the PSX version and it makes it a lot easier to access Chocobo's world.
I now have a working version of this that installs on PC quite easily with a few simple tools such as Daemon Tools/Easy mount something to mount a virtual drive with..
Anyway, I will be uploading these files to a certain site later on tonight and if enough people are interested/ having problems with installation, I can write up a step by step guide on how to do this.
Also, with all the evil torrents out there, I can guarantee, not one torrent is 100% working, the way I made it work definitely DID NOT involve reading up a bit on comments etc and d/l'ing several different versions and using cracks/ from here there etc
Also, the only difference you need to know when installing is whether you have a GeoForce GFX card or not...
Anyway, if anyone fancies replaying 8, let me know... or Not
Thanks for that. 4gb RAM, 2.13 ghz and...Intel HD graphics. I have a feeling it's not good enough but I thought I'd check. The Intel HD graphics card is a pain in the arse.
It's a laptop too, by the way.
if 3 was minimum and 5 recommended...
RAM 5
CPU 4
GFX ? Can't say as I don't know what Intel HD graphics it is, but chances are if it can render 3D and direct X you will be fine...
RAM 5
CPU 4
GFX ? Can't say as I don't know what Intel HD graphics it is, but chances are if it can render 3D and direct X you will be fine...
Cheers. I'm guessing it'll be choppy at best but it's worth a try at some point.
Some of you might like this - http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/ybbqrs/gametrailers-com-memo-to-square-enix
Thought this was the best thread for it.
Thought this was the best thread for it.
Good video, but most of it is relevant to the majority of the large historic Japanese game publishers.
The spin off thing is definitely frustrating.
I've moved on to Radiant Historia on the DS (playing it on an actual, 100% genuine DS obviously...) after finishing Chrono Cross and it really hits home what Square-Enix games are lacking at the moment. Getting that same feeling I got when I first played the FFs - it's amazing and an absolute gem. The time travel element is there just as it is in the two Chrono games but it's a lot more engaging, and the transition in game between the timelines is completely seamless. To be honest, this is the game I thought those two games were going to be before I played them (as much as I loved them both). The battles system is miles better, the storytelling is top notch and the sidequests across the timeline are quality. I would write another essay-ish type post just on how good it is but I'm too engrossed at the moment. Even the one weakness I've found in it is more of a strength - the sountrack is amazing and I just wish there were more than the 20-odd tracks Shimomura has composed for it.
Really makes me yearn for Square-Enix to start churning out stuff of this standard again but it just doesn't seem likely. I can't say I know enough about the industry or the company to know whether they are ultimately benefiting more from their current approach but it's such a shame.
I've moved on to Radiant Historia on the DS (playing it on an actual, 100% genuine DS obviously...) after finishing Chrono Cross and it really hits home what Square-Enix games are lacking at the moment. Getting that same feeling I got when I first played the FFs - it's amazing and an absolute gem. The time travel element is there just as it is in the two Chrono games but it's a lot more engaging, and the transition in game between the timelines is completely seamless. To be honest, this is the game I thought those two games were going to be before I played them (as much as I loved them both). The battles system is miles better, the storytelling is top notch and the sidequests across the timeline are quality. I would write another essay-ish type post just on how good it is but I'm too engrossed at the moment.
Even the one weakness I've found in it is more of a strength - the sountrack is amazing and I just wish there were more than the 20-odd tracks Shimomura has composed for it.Really makes me yearn for Square-Enix to start churning out stuff of this standard again but it just doesn't seem likely. I can't say I know enough about the industry or the company to know whether they are ultimately benefiting more from their current approach but it's such a shame.
That video looks interesting Olly, seem's they are going back to the RPG way, do we know anything about whether job will be implemented etc?
Out of interest guys, I have played the majority of this now, and my question isn't which is the best as its been done to death but, is this correct?
Final Fantasy 1 all the way up to 14 come out.
The last few 12-14 tended to flop, and its only really been the remakes of 1-3, dimensions and X-2 that have seen any real interest? Yet it seems this new one is particularly being watched by a few FF fans.. it seems its due for release in the fall... thoughts?
Out of interest guys, I have played the majority of this now, and my question isn't which is the best as its been done to death but, is this correct?
Final Fantasy 1 all the way up to 14 come out.
The last few 12-14 tended to flop, and its only really been the remakes of 1-3, dimensions and X-2 that have seen any real interest? Yet it seems this new one is particularly being watched by a few FF fans.. it seems its due for release in the fall... thoughts?
Do you mean FF13-versus? It's become some sort of running joke now unfortunately in that it's been about 7 years in the making with very little being said about it. I don't think anyone has any idea on whether it's going to be made or not. I stopped getting my hopes up a while back though but maybe someone else has stumbled across some news.
Funnily enough, I was reading about Yoko Shimomura last night and found out she is/was meant to be doing the score for the game. Got me all excited again.
I don't think anyone has any idea on whether it's going to be made or not. I stopped getting my hopes up a while back though but maybe someone else has stumbled across some news.Funnily enough, I was reading about Yoko Shimomura last night and found out she is/was meant to be doing the score for the game. Got me all excited again.
Check out Olly's link above you...