Gaming The Final Fantasy Thread
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Fair enough. I think it really stands out when you compare Chrono Trigger and the later FFs in particular. I mean, that's before going on to talk about Crono himself!
He doesn't speak! That's a hugely influential thing in an RPG whereby story is paramount in my opinion. That immediately limits the game in terms of the way the main character interacts (or doesn't...
) and relates with the plot and other characters. Again, that's the style and will have been done for a reason, but it doesn't change the fact that this is the case.
What I'm really getting at though is how the dialogue gets you to know the characters, and the focus in game on this aside from the direction the plot is moving towards. Even in regards to the plot, though...take the example of when Crono dies. The main character dies and this is obviously pretty significant, but there are only about 4 lines dedicated to this during and after! This is a very clear way of summing up the difference. Compare this with when Aeris dies in 7 and the emotion that is brought about during the dialogue between Cloud and Jenova. It is in a completely different league. It's something that really became apparent with the stuff between Lucca and Robo after you save Lucca's mum - it makes you realise that sort of thing is very rare, but it's that sort of thing in my opinion that adds the most depth to characters.
I'm not trying to be critical because this is more a reflection of the games at the time. FF6 like we both say is better for this but at the same time I think the difference with 7 and beyond is quite clear. The character development and dialogue in tandem and aside from the plot is far superior for me.
) and relates with the plot and other characters. Again, that's the style and will have been done for a reason, but it doesn't change the fact that this is the case.What I'm really getting at though is how the dialogue gets you to know the characters, and the focus in game on this aside from the direction the plot is moving towards. Even in regards to the plot, though...take the example of when Crono dies. The main character dies and this is obviously pretty significant, but there are only about 4 lines dedicated to this during and after! This is a very clear way of summing up the difference. Compare this with when Aeris dies in 7 and the emotion that is brought about during the dialogue between Cloud and Jenova. It is in a completely different league. It's something that really became apparent with the stuff between Lucca and Robo after you save Lucca's mum - it makes you realise that sort of thing is very rare, but it's that sort of thing in my opinion that adds the most depth to characters.
I'm not trying to be critical because this is more a reflection of the games at the time. FF6 like we both say is better for this but at the same time I think the difference with 7 and beyond is quite clear. The character development and dialogue in tandem and aside from the plot is far superior for me.
Perhaps you think I place too much emphasis on this aspect, but in my opinion the most enjoyable thing to take out of an RPG is the plot and the way the characters fit into it. That's what really gets the nostalgia kicking in when you listen to the music years later and remember when so and so happened, and I think that's where the later FFs really excel by comparison.
Edit: I don't think the last point in that spoiler applies quite as much to FF8, just to clarify. Squall is a really good character but beyond him I don't think the strength is there to the same extent as it is in 7, 9 and 10.
It is amazing, I love it. I feel like there is a hair between all of them from 6-10 though but I don't know where it goes. I have a feeling one is half a percent better than the others but god knows which one it is.
You may change your mind about Aeris' theme when you hear 'To Zanarkand' from 10, by the way.
It's a belter!Just re-recruited Terra. She's back, and the awesome music too.
Interesting thing is that this game doesn't have a main character. The only game I have ever played without a main character. Terra probably can be considered as the most important in the World of Balance, but Celes seems to lead the way in the World of Ruin. Locke is awesome and he is probably as important as those two, in the World of Balance he was the first companion Terra had, looked like he had a crush in her, later recruited Celes and started to like her. Those three seems to be the most important, and the ones I like most, so definitely they will be used mostly. Edgar or Sabin for the fourth spot.
Anyway enough talking, time to find Locke.
Interesting thing is that this game doesn't have a main character. The only game I have ever played without a main character. Terra probably can be considered as the most important in the World of Balance, but Celes seems to lead the way in the World of Ruin. Locke is awesome and he is probably as important as those two, in the World of Balance he was the first companion Terra had, looked like he had a crush in her, later recruited Celes and started to like her. Those three seems to be the most important, and the ones I like most, so definitely they will be used mostly. Edgar or Sabin for the fourth spot.
Anyway enough talking, time to find Locke.
Yeah i'm going to at some point, i've been thinking about getting the PC version since i've not got a playstation.
The PC version works perfectly.
That's good to know, i may well be picking it up in the very near future then. I'm on Easter break for a couple of weeks after today.
How does this lot play on the Vita if I buy from PS Store? I get it's gonna be a bit dodgy and pixelated on the PS3, but it'd be nice to revisit some of these....pretty much the only reason I'm thinking of buying a used Vita too -_-
A lot can change in five years
IIRC I replayed most of them, including Chrono Trigger when I was bored for the Summer after finishing Uni in 2009.
The composer of every Final Fantasy (except the MMO, I think) says that IX is his best work
And I'd be inclined to agree with Mr Uematsu
Uematsu even contributed heavily towards XI, the absolute god. This is something of an FF classic now:
This on the other hand is from FFXIV and proves he's still got it...
Finally (for anyone who's bothered), on the topic of 9's, have a listen to this:
Randomly stumbled across this last night on YouTube and some of the best FF remixes are to be found on the channel from that link. I've managed to...get hold of...most of 9's but I'm having great difficulty in finding all the other ones.
I'd obviously be disgusted if someone could point out a download link to some of these 'Melancholy Tribute' albums.
Some mighty fine pieces on that channel mate. Good find
No love for FF8's soundtrack?
Cheers. Edit: Ha shit, I've been going through all of them for ages now. Some of them are so good.
Yeah, why not.
Another pretty strong contender for best game OST of all time, I reckon.Last one is one of my favourites in all of FF. So much nostalgia it makes your heart ache!
Basically Uematsu's a legend is what we're getting at.
Completed my party, including Shadow and the two new additions. The end is not that far away.
Currently downloading Tour de Japon
The full OST is available on youtube, it's about 4 and a half hours of quality music..
hilariously, the OST for ff9 is actually longer (and more entertaining) than some games these days..
I've had the soundtracks for 7,9 and 10 on my hard drive for ages and I always go back to them. There really is a piece to suit whatever mood you are in and also a memory from the game to suit mood as well
Currently downloading Tour de Japon
Class. The 'To Zanarkand' arrangement is breathtaking. I think for the main theme in that concert Uematsu himself actually comes on stage and conducts.
It's actually ridiculous how many arrangements, covers, remastered editions, etc there are of Uematsu's music. Even aside from fan made remixes and albums there are dozens of them. Piano, Celtic, orchestrated and symphonic, vocal, electronic, etc...
The guy really is a legend.
well, I'm glad he did. He created probably the finest soundtrack I've heard in a game.Think the only negative thing I can say about it is that I didn't like Ipsen's Castle theme because the main riff was a little too sharp for my taste. That's literally it.
I'm glad that ff9 gets appreciated on this forum, it was always my favourite. Literally had everything you could want from a game. Whenever I discuss Final Fantasy with people they tend to either dislike IX because of the cutesy art style or slow burning story (or that they just can't get over VII) or they haven't played it (but they have VII and VIII).
This post really belongs here despite not being Final Fantasy. Despite not being the best game ever made, I regard it as one of the most enjoyable yet depressing I've ever played....in a good way! It's tragic
Having listenend to Tour de Japon, it really reminded me of some of the songs from the much maligned Lost Odyssey. Most particularly 'Ruins of the East' and 'Parting Forever' sounds a lot like Aeris' theme. I'm sure your a fan KingEric!
I'll spoiler my other favoruites for those who are interested
^
one of the best!
This game really was a welcome return to yesteryear in the age of modern gaming for me
Having listenend to Tour de Japon, it really reminded me of some of the songs from the much maligned Lost Odyssey. Most particularly 'Ruins of the East' and 'Parting Forever' sounds a lot like Aeris' theme. I'm sure your a fan KingEric!
I'll spoiler my other favoruites for those who are interested
^
one of the best!
This game really was a welcome return to yesteryear in the age of modern gaming for me
I've defo missed some out as well^
Spent the best part of an hour making that post whilst pissed and enjoying the music! Nobuo Uematsu at his best once again!
Anyone who has an Xbox, loves Final Fantasy and hasn't played this....Do it!
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Great stuff, enjoying listening to these! Funnily enough, I downloaded the OST for that a while back without actually having actually played the game. What a sad bastard.
My mate was raving about it so thought I may as well... lost it with the old laptop unfortunately, though.Will be sure to scroll through the rest of them, the above are great (love that second one - classic Uematsu with the slight variation of the main theme).
That Prologue really sucked me in when I saw it on the trailer. No idea why I've not got the game actually. Will have to sort that out.Came across more great fan remixes tonight. Mad how many there actually are, but this guy's been the star of the show so far:
Had to laugh at the last one. What an innovator...
I'll check those in the morning mate.
Can't believe you haven't played Lost Odyssey. I'm fairly sure you'll love it based on what I've seen from you in the entertainment forum. Just think that it's a few members from the FF dream team doing this while the rest were farting about with XIII, XIV and whatever else. You'll love it, honestly
Can't believe you haven't played Lost Odyssey. I'm fairly sure you'll love it based on what I've seen from you in the entertainment forum. Just think that it's a few members from the FF dream team doing this while the rest were farting about with XIII, XIV and whatever else. You'll love it, honestly
Yeah, it's criminal. My mate was saying it's the FF that 12 should've been for the most part but I didn't follow through on his advice for some bizarre reason.
I've got a few games on my checklist to go through but will be sure to pop in here and give a review when I get round to it. Can't really go wrong with a cast of Nobuo and the FF team..
I've got a few games on my checklist to go through but will be sure to pop in here and give a review when I get round to it. Can't really go wrong with a cast of Nobuo and the FF team..
fecking hell, this guy really is quality:
I played Lost Odyssey up to the 3rd disc. Really enjoyed it, in fact i might buy it again and see about actually finishing it off now!
I also started FFVII last night and am enjoying it so far. The whole Materia thing is interesting but also a tad confusing at the minute.
I also started FFVII last night and am enjoying it so far. The whole Materia thing is interesting but also a tad confusing at the minute.
Lost Odyssey might as well be called Final Fantasy: The Lost Odyssey, it's a bloody good game.
I love this track as well, even if the random electric guitar that pops up halfway through is a bit unnecessary!
The dream stories were great, and I can't think of another game that involves a funeral simulator...
I love this track as well, even if the random electric guitar that pops up halfway through is a bit unnecessary!
The dream stories were great, and I can't think of another game that involves a funeral simulator...
Wow! Just heard Opening Bombing Mission on Tour de Japon.....so dramatic!
If they ever did do remakes of these games they've already go the music ready to stick straight into it thanks to all these concerts. Then there's the Black Mages for the battle themes,
That boss music was fantastic, used to get me all revved up
Was thinking... on the topic of remakes, does anyone think there must actually be something of a huge challenge in remaking a game and balancing its atmosphere in view of the moods of previous titles and in tandem with the games' previous OSTs? The FF13 soundtrack for example is more of a cinematic orchestration and for me that does seem appropriate given the realism of the graphics, but in the end the characters were terrible and it all felt a bit 'Magical Hollyoaks World'-ish to be honest. I'd never really thought about it and it only hit me when I played Chrono Trigger that, if they were to remake FF6 or 7 and keep the original seriousness and mood of the storylines/games in check with newer advanced graphics, I think it's fair be fair to say that the OST and whole process would be a fairly complex job.
Maybe I'm looking into it too much. I just think that with Uematsu's melodies in the FF games before 10 that they fit into an atmosphere that is made possible by the nature of the graphics and the leeway that you can afford characters' actions amidst them. The power of the scenes and story that then emerge out of that do so because of how wonderfully all of this is weaved. Remaking these songs whilst retaining the same melodies may make the remade game itself a bit cheesy if that makes any sense.
That's not to say it can't be done; I've no doubt that it's possible to make a quality remake of FF7, but I can understand how it may be seen as pretty challenging to do one whilst staying completely true to what made the original so good. I'm thinking the best way to describe it is to look at how cheesy Advent Children is in places, and consider at the same time that they've not remade something there. Even though it was a sequel they had a lot more freedom to mould the atmosphere as opposed to building around a previous template, but when I went back to watching it (after having loved it when I watched when it first came out) I was cringing a bit in places. That's without them having to fit epic tracks like this into high end graphics whilst trying to steer the whole thing away from becoming OTT:
It's possible to imagine in your head a quality remake but a hell of a lot of work would have to go into the voice acting, the directing of the cut scenes and the soundtrack in order for it to be pulled off properly. If the same people that did FF13 did it, I think it would be a disaster.
Maybe I'm looking into it too much. I just think that with Uematsu's melodies in the FF games before 10 that they fit into an atmosphere that is made possible by the nature of the graphics and the leeway that you can afford characters' actions amidst them. The power of the scenes and story that then emerge out of that do so because of how wonderfully all of this is weaved. Remaking these songs whilst retaining the same melodies may make the remade game itself a bit cheesy if that makes any sense.
That's not to say it can't be done; I've no doubt that it's possible to make a quality remake of FF7, but I can understand how it may be seen as pretty challenging to do one whilst staying completely true to what made the original so good. I'm thinking the best way to describe it is to look at how cheesy Advent Children is in places, and consider at the same time that they've not remade something there. Even though it was a sequel they had a lot more freedom to mould the atmosphere as opposed to building around a previous template, but when I went back to watching it (after having loved it when I watched when it first came out) I was cringing a bit in places. That's without them having to fit epic tracks like this into high end graphics whilst trying to steer the whole thing away from becoming OTT:
It's possible to imagine in your head a quality remake but a hell of a lot of work would have to go into the voice acting, the directing of the cut scenes and the soundtrack in order for it to be pulled off properly. If the same people that did FF13 did it, I think it would be a disaster.
I don't think they could ever remake some of the older games with voice acting and better graphics without messing things up. Look at Advent Children and think what it would be like with that Cloud with that voice cross dressing to sneak into Don Corneo's place. That goes for all the other crazy side characters who didn't have a voice and could get away with in sprite form. Le Blanc, Ormi and Logos are probably the closest we got in the modern games to some of the weirder side characters you came across in previous titles and they felt and sounded horrible.
Wtf would Cait Sith sound like?