Don't think anyone else on here has really put much time into FFIV on the DS so no one will care but I just beat the optional super-boss thing on it, Proto Babil! Insanely geeky thing to do given all the shit you have to do to put up a fight against it, I don't recommend it (but I do recommend the game!).
Gaming The Final Fantasy Thread
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I haven't played 4, that and 5 are the only two i haven't played. I shall have to get it now that i've... procured shall we say, a cheaper way to play.
I don't see why everyone hates Final Fantasy XII. I'm playing through it at the moment and i think its great.
Although certainly not better than 10 or 7.
Don't think i'll be getting XIV. Not into MMORPG's
Although certainly not better than 10 or 7.
Don't think i'll be getting XIV. Not into MMORPG's
Neither am I, but obviously it has unique the Final Fantasy feel to it that no other RPG can replicate - well, from the ones i've played (which is admitedely very little 
) thats hooked us to the series we know and love which is why i'm considering giving it a chance.
Would be cool if there was some way the caf could hook up on it, too. I guess that warrants a 'No Homo'.
) thats hooked us to the series we know and love which is why i'm considering giving it a chance. Would be cool if there was some way the caf could hook up on it, too. I guess that warrants a 'No Homo'.
Certain people like one over the other. Elvis for example is a big fan of 7, some of the older posters are big fans of 6.
Your favourite Final Fantasy is your first. At least, thats what i've been told.
XIV is released on Sept 30th for PC (or the 22nd if you want to buy the special ed)
anyone getting in at the beginning?
i'm disappointed the PS3 version will be another 6 months away and i'm also reluctant to get back into a MMO after finally weening myself off of WOW earlier in the year
but it does look really good........
anyone getting in at the beginning?
i'm disappointed the PS3 version will be another 6 months away and i'm also reluctant to get back into a MMO after finally weening myself off of WOW earlier in the year
but it does look really good........
I've never played a mmorpg despite playing rpg's for the best part of my life. This will coincide with me getting a new beast of a computer so now might be the time to try. I take it there will be a subscription fee? That has put me off in the past.
XI was an awful MMO that looked great. Be warned.
My friend has the beta for it. He was playing the other night while a few of us watched/gave advice. It drops you in with little backstory or advice on what the hell to do. He picked blacksmithing so he doesn't have a weapon to start with, only rocks to throw that do 1 damage. For about 2 hours, he ran around trying to do things that were impossible until we found on some forums that your mainhand determines what "class" you are. We found this out while he was dead and couldn't figure out how to revive after being killed by a Chinchilla. The "return" button is buried somewhere in the UI but isn't obvious.
Ultimately, after figuring out how to play the game(no thanks to the game itself), it was all right.
Ultimately, after figuring out how to play the game(no thanks to the game itself), it was all right.
XI didnt look great, and the races and story were pretty boring. Which is the same as how XIV comes across since its supposed to be the same world.
the problem it will have is the inevitable comparisons to WOW
while this will be a little unfair given how established WOW is, ultimately that is the level MMOs has to aspire to now or they'll fall by the wayside
all MMOs take a while to get settled in and the bugs ironed out, they rely on the players to shape its success so until a good number of people start playing it and teaching eachother how to do things it'll be hard to judge
FF as a brand is perhaps the only one capable of taking on WOW at its own game.
for that reason alone I hope it works out, itll be nice to have some choice!
while this will be a little unfair given how established WOW is, ultimately that is the level MMOs has to aspire to now or they'll fall by the wayside
all MMOs take a while to get settled in and the bugs ironed out, they rely on the players to shape its success so until a good number of people start playing it and teaching eachother how to do things it'll be hard to judge
FF as a brand is perhaps the only one capable of taking on WOW at its own game.
for that reason alone I hope it works out, itll be nice to have some choice!
They should really have done this in a fleshed out FFVII world instead of bringing something new to the table. They think that FFVII is worth a movie, but not an MMO? That should have been the remake IMO.
I think that this is the reason why it's being released on the PC 6 months before the PS3 version hits. There is no other reason, as the game should have been developed using the White Engine (Crystal Tools), that has already been used for FFXIII. The only difference is network code and servers.
can't argue with that, could you imagine the hysteria were they to do that
it'd probably be the biggest selling game of all time, it'd break the internets
perhaps that's why they avoided it
Final Fantasy/Square have the benefit of already having an MMO. And the thing is, it was a "Chinese" MMO, ie. griiiiiiiind. So dont expect this to be any different. They kept the same world and races as the last MMO, why would they completely change the nature of it as well?
Ultimately WOW bought nothing new to the table, it just took ideas from other successful MMOs. And with its 6 year old graphics and repetativeness, if todays new MMOs cant show it up then something is really wrong.
Ultimately WOW bought nothing new to the table, it just took ideas from other successful MMOs. And with its 6 year old graphics and repetativeness, if todays new MMOs cant show it up then something is really wrong.
that may well be true but WOW is a monster now, its everything an online community should be as well as a good game. whether it was original is irrelevant its got a huge and feircly loyal following
the PS3 users will be most important in FFXIVs success imo. If they can map the controls well enough to the joypad and keep the attention of the more action orientateed console gamers its got a chance but with cataclysm coming soon i just cant see it having a huge impact on the PC side of things
Its not that good a game. Its a worse game than it was in year 2.
The only good, and to be fair great thing about WOW was its hardcore marketing. Thats what WOW did bring to the table and why it was so successful. It didnt just get gamers playing it got their friends and the friends of their friends playing, all sexes and ages. And that made people want to keep playing even when the game got boring and the content shite.
Its also really basic combat which allows everyone to play. My 7 year old brother was with me in a "hardcore" raiding guild, where we were getting all the firsts on the server and in the top 20 in terms of progress in europe. But its not because he's some child genius its because the game is that easy to play. And so it doesnt exclude people. Although some people obviously want more of a challenge.
As for FF on the Playstation... Well they did a shite job of making the last game controller friendly. I played on the PC from around 6 months after the U.S release (game lagged a fair bit being I was in the U.K and this is many years ago, when I had a worse connection too) which was a year or two before even the pc release in the U.K. Eventually they got the game out on console... I forget was it the xbox 360 and eventually PS3 that they released it on? This was all way past when I quit playing it so I've no idea what kind of numbers they had. But I'd imagine it was relatively nothing, partly because the control scheme for controllers was awful and partly because it took so long to come out on those consoles and the main MMO players would have been on the pc.
The new game, if its any good and marketed any good could absolutely steal the show from WOW and about bloody time. The problem as I said before is, they chose the same boring races and boring world as last time and from the vidoes I've seen the game doesnt look much more exciting than the last one. So I doubt it'll be that good a game...
You'd like to think Square would take a similar advertising route to Blizzard, but will they put the same time and effort into it? We'll have to wait and see.
I haven't played XIII for absolutely ages.
I'm on like Chapter 10 and just stopped playing
I'm on like Chapter 10 and just stopped playing
Yeah I stopped after doing almost all of the side missions. The game was a big dissappointment for me, having read about how it was an epic story at the very least, before I bought it. I really only cared about Sazh, I dont care if everyone else just dies suddenly with no explaination. So I cant even be bothered to play the end at this point. And having completed all the Final Fantasy games (the proper ones anyway) since IV - excluding X-2, well that dissappoints me. It did take me a while to come back and want to finish off FFXII I guess so one day I'll be bored enough to finish FXIII. Until then...
XII was like that for me too, i played up to the big crystal area then got bored, then replayed through and did the whole thing.
X-2 is a weird one, the story is pretty average and the majority of the dialogue is annoying and cheesy but the battle system is actually very good. The classic job system being used in a good new way.
XIII was... ok, even though all Final Fantasy's are linear in a way this one just took the piss. It wasn't like God of War where the fights are a visual joy, the majority of the time you just pressed auto and killed whatever you were fighting in under 10 seconds. The only time the battle system got a workout was the bosses, the story was alright though but i can see why some characters got on people's nerves. At least it gave you the open world at the end, even if it was about 25 hours late.
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X-2 is a weird one, the story is pretty average and the majority of the dialogue is annoying and cheesy but the battle system is actually very good. The classic job system being used in a good new way.
XIII was... ok, even though all Final Fantasy's are linear in a way this one just took the piss. It wasn't like God of War where the fights are a visual joy, the majority of the time you just pressed auto and killed whatever you were fighting in under 10 seconds. The only time the battle system got a workout was the bosses, the story was alright though but i can see why some characters got on people's nerves. At least it gave you the open world at the end, even if it was about 25 hours late.
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Ekeke i'm not neccessarily disagreeing with your points about WOW gameplay wise it is simplistic however the number of players it has is astonishing and that what FF will be up against, WOWs players have become so indoctrinated and ingrained into its community that wrestling them away will take something spectacular imo. If all FFXIV does is repeat its previous incarnation and copy/steal things from WOW its got nothing to offer other than console support which will make it crucial to its success (in the west anyway)
i never got to play XI, dont think it came to PS though i know it did the 360, from what i know it is still supported and has a reasonable following in the east but very little in the western terrotories
I really liked XII, i think its underated - its as good as VIII imo which was too emo-like for my tastes
XIII was a massive disappointment, i finished the story but have no desire to go back and fight the bigger enemies
i never got to play XI, dont think it came to PS though i know it did the 360, from what i know it is still supported and has a reasonable following in the east but very little in the western terrotories
I really liked XII, i think its underated - its as good as VIII imo which was too emo-like for my tastes
XIII was a massive disappointment, i finished the story but have no desire to go back and fight the bigger enemies
I really need to sit down and play big time again or I'll never complete it
The thing is, WOW's community is generally newer players and not those it had in the first place. I keep in contact with a lot of people who used to play on my server, be in my guild or just other friends and only 1 of them still plays - because it was so long ago and at some point, you say enough is enough of the shite content because its all so samey. It takes years to get to that point obviously, but the game has been out so long that lots and lots of people are through the cycle and out the other end. The players who play now generally arent the playes who were playing in WoW's first years. Some yes, most no.
So what are those players up to?
There are also shit loads of players playing other MMOs.
If you build it they will come. If FF was an amazing event of a game that couldnt be missed because its that awesome and marketed so that everyone knows about it, there are loads of people like myself who would be willing to go try it and play it.
The problem is I have no faith in FF being that good a game or putting in the same kind of money and effort into marketing the game like WOW and making sure everyone and their neighbour knows about it.
Amen to that, people just seemed to get fed up after a few hours cause for a while it just feels a bit like level grinding in MMO, but once you get into it the Combat and Gambit system are absolutely awesome. It's a super game.
XIII is the only FF I started and didn't finish the first time I played it, I still haven't even gotten around 1/3 of the way through the story, I just thought it was rubbish bar the graphics, I kept hearing it got better,but it never did.
Anyway, the MMOs, I played WoW when it first came out, got to level 60, realized that the Person v Person was rubbish and it was essentially just another "we'll keep releasing new dungeons and making the levels higher and higher" game and stopped playing.
Dark Age of Camelot is still the best MMO I've played, the PvP was magnificent, which is for me what an MMO should ultimately be about. The whole point of an online game is to play against other people, not play WITH them to beat AI.
The thing with 12 though was that the story was quite complicated and the lead character had no real motivation at all. Gameplay wise it was good once you got your teeth into the gambit system, but i ended up getting to a stage where i pressed less buttons in combat than i did in 13!
XII's only redeeming feature:
i didnt care for Vaan too much myself, found the story behind Basch to be far more interesting he'd have made a better lead imo
it was years ago i played it but i remember enjoying it and the monster hunting side quests were awesome
it was years ago i played it but i remember enjoying it and the monster hunting side quests were awesome
The monster hunting bits were the best part of the game for me. Vaan just had nothing to him at all, the worst lead protagonist in the series.
For 12... The main character's part in the plot was one of my gripes too. As well as stuff like the opening of the game where there are lots of other characters and battles and things and just as you're getting into it, they die and arent playable characters. Your playable character is a kid on the other side of the world learning to kill rats.
I didnt like the new combat system at first and was playing WOW at the time, so I dropped it pretty easily. I only went back and finished it last year and by the end I really enjoyed the combat system. I didnt much like the story, or the characters other than being happy that Balthier and Fran survived.
In the end I enjoyed it less than 7,8,9, 10 but it was still a pretty good game. I certainly enjoyed it more than 13.
I didnt like the new combat system at first and was playing WOW at the time, so I dropped it pretty easily. I only went back and finished it last year and by the end I really enjoyed the combat system. I didnt much like the story, or the characters other than being happy that Balthier and Fran survived.
In the end I enjoyed it less than 7,8,9, 10 but it was still a pretty good game. I certainly enjoyed it more than 13.
I'm on about chapter 10 or 11 of the latest FF. Not sure I can be arsed carrying on, I was really enjoying the paradigm shift battle system but the linearity and generally annoying characters really don't help things. Anyone who got out into the open world think it's worth my continuing time?
I mean, for me personally the character development of FF has really been quite poor since 7 and 8. Which are the two best FF's respectively anyway. Imho.
I mean, for me personally the character development of FF has really been quite poor since 7 and 8. Which are the two best FF's respectively anyway. Imho.
anyone else find Fran from XII to be incredibly arousing
For about 2 hours the "wide open world" made me think "Ahh all that other bollocks was worth it". I decided to try and get as much playability out of the game as possible and looked to upgrade to the ultimate weapons and do most of the 50 or so side quests to hunt different monsters. But then after a while that became boring too. Because although it does open up, its still not as open as other FF games and its so late in the day.
The lack of towns is a big part of it. And having all the shops and such in one little box you see every now and then just seemed odd.
Yeah, I can imagine it'll be exactly the same for me. I think I'd be better spending my time on Dragon Age Origin's which I was really enjoying until I got stuck at this boss :/
Yeah, I think I'm just going to leave it incomplete, FF need to get the series back on track and soon or else all the best FF games will just become memories in the mind of the fans.
They had a great run with 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10 all being top notch in my mind, then downhill from there.
I know a girl who thought 9 was the best, it was going very will with her until I told her that 7 was the best and that sex wasn't going to happen between us until she agreed.
Needless to say, sex probably wasn't on the table anyway, but alas. Such is life.
Needless to say, sex probably wasn't on the table anyway, but alas. Such is life.
9 was great, especially after 8.
I enjoyed 13, it's the first i've played since 9 and it was nice to get back into the whole FF world. The linearity was disappointing though and it didn't feel anywhere near as expansive or as fun as 7 + 9. Wasn't there meant to be another part to 13 that was more in that mould though, can't remember what it was called now though.
Yeah I went with Dragon Age after FF XIII and I'm on my second full play through with all the addons and awakenings and such. Just because I enjoyed it the first time, I feel there's some fun to be had playing the game in a different way and changing the world second time round and also having a Warrior hero as well as my initial Mage hero.
I take it you are playing Dragon Age on console then? I play it on pc instead and have to admit that I have used cheats now and again to save me from the brink of death and to move on with the story. Not sure you're able to do that on console even if you wanted to.
That's right mate I was playing it on PS3 and really got into it, then I got stuck at this place, it's when you decide to leave or take the ashes, I decide to take them and a boss spawns and he just kept beating me because I had ran out of healing potions, even though I could do a fair amount of damage to him I just couldn't beat him and his adds.
I wouldn't cheat in case it ran the risk of ruining the trophies you on win on PS3.