The F1 Thread 2014 Season

Amir said:
Same thing I wrote Marching...

I know this forum is full of Hamilton fans because he's English and all. He's been massively unlucky this year, but seriously...
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WTF has Hamilton being English to do with my opinion? Nowt. He was put out of a race by another driver who deliberately put his car somewhere it should not have been. He was beaten to the corner and had no right to push where he did. Rosberg should have let Hamilton go and none of this would have happened.

No11 said:
Absolute nonsense, how can you possibly say he knew it would cause more damage to Hamiltons car?
He wasn't going to give it up, he admitted that himself. Yes he made a mistake, yes it was his fault.
I really hope he wins the title just to witness all the crying on here.
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Don't you get what's wrong with Rosberg saying he wasn't going to give it up? He was never in a position to challenge fairly. He had to give it up but chose not to and because of that it was only going to end one way. Exactly how it did.

Nose cones are designed to be replaced...you did notice that didn't you? Tyres are designed to burst. Rosberg shoving his nose into Hamilton's tyre was always likely to cause a puncture and getting to the pits with a damaged nose cone was always going to be quicker than in a car with 3 wheels.

I couldn't care less if Rosberg goes on to with the title...I quite like him. But after Monaco and now Belgium that title will be tainted.
 
I am pretty much in the same boat has Marching, Lewis being English has nothing to do with it.
I quite like Nico, think he is a very good driver, not in the class of Lewis but still very good, if he wins then he wins but the season is tainted by his dirty tricks.
 
Marching said:
He had to give it up but chose not to and because of that it was only going to end one way. Exactly how it did.
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This is the bit I have a problem with, it is not always the case that the tyre will puncture. It will almost certainly end with the nose being damaged.
In no way do I believe Rosberg knew exactly what was going to happen, more simply that he is not that good a driver.
 
Hamilton is the more aggressive driver. I think that has been gnawing away at Rosberg over the Summer break particularly after he failed to get by Hamilton on the last few laps of Hungary. Toe to toe Hamilton is stronger, less fearful and can bully Rosberg off the racing line. I think Rosberg made a decision to be stronger next time he tangled with him but he went too far. He probably had Senna's tactics in his head of not giving an inch to opponents and therefore leaving it up to the other driver if they wanted to crash into him or not. I guess that's why he didn't relent in his post race comments, he wanted to keep the idea in Hamiltons head that he wasn't to be brushed aside so easily anymore. The only thing is this wasn't toe to toe, he was way too far back to be demanding any kind of yielding of the racing line from Hamilton and so it has all back-fired on him.

There is no way he intended to give Hamilton a puncture, it was just a red mist moment from a very frustrated driver trying to appear more aggressive than he actually is at the wrong time
 
I was just looking up the results so far and its quite amazing how this has panned out so far.

Australia - Hamilton retired early with engine issues, started from Pole.
Malaysia - Hamilton dominated
Bahrain - Hamilton outraced him for the win
China - Hamilton dominated
Spain - Hamilton outraced him for the win
Monaco - Race effectively decided in Q3
Canada - Hamilton's brakes fail after passing him
Austria - Hamilton finishes 2 seconds behind despite starting 9th
Great Britain - Hamilton wins as Rosberg breaks down, arguably he would have caught and passed anyway
Germany - Hamilton gets 3rd after starting 16th
Hungary - Hamilton beats him to 3rd despite starting from the pitlane with Rosberg on pole
Spa - Hamilton race ruined after Rosberg punctures his tyre after getting passed off the line

Yet somehow Rosberg leads by 29 points. Rosberg has recently dominated in quali so he does have that, albeit again mostly benefitting from Hamilton errors or misfortune. Bizzare season really.
 
Marching said:
WTF has Hamilton being English to do with my opinion? Nowt. He was put out of a race by another driver who deliberately put his car somewhere it should not have been. He was beaten to the corner and had no right to push where he did. Rosberg should have let Hamilton go and none of this would have happened.
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It's clear that there's a lot of support towards Hamilton there and I think that clouds people's judgement. I've also seen plenty of hate here for Vettel in recent years.

Yes, Rosberg put his car where it shouldn't have been. He did it on purpose, but it's not the same as causing an accident by purpose. There's nothing for the FIA to do here.[/QUOTE]
 
Leg-End said:
Yet somehow Rosberg leads by 29 points. Rosberg has recently dominated in quali so he does have that, albeit again mostly benefitting from Hamilton errors or misfortune. Bizzare season really.
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It has been. The Hamilton reliablity issues really are unlucky. But as you also pointed out, he has also made more mistakes - which makes Rosberg's lead look far more reasonable, even though malfunctions also come into it. Should also mention Hamilton has more experience as this driving at the front and fighting for the title and it may have taken Rosberg a few races to settle into his new position.
 
Amir said:
It has been. The Hamilton reliablity issues really are unlucky. But as you also pointed out, he has also made more mistakes - which makes Rosberg's lead look far more reasonable, even though malfunctions also come into it. Should also mention Hamilton has more experience as this driving at the front and fighting for the title and it may have taken Rosberg a few races to settle into his new position.
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I'm not buying that, you don't worry about fighting for the title in the opening rounds because you don't know if the success is sustainable. Hamilton has definately made more mistakes but crucially those have been in quali, I can only really think of the spin on Lap 1 of Hungary as a race mistake and he recovered from that. Also worth mentioning the pit stop speeds, I don't know if that data is available but I'd bet good money Hamilton has lost more time on aggregate to their team mate in the pitstops more than any other driver on the grid.
 
Amir said:
It's clear that there's a lot of support towards Hamilton there and I think that clouds people's judgement. I've also seen plenty of hate here for Vettel in recent years.

Yes, Rosberg put his car where it shouldn't have been. He did it on purpose, but it's not the same as causing an accident by purpose. There's nothing for the FIA to do here.
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:lol: So what do you/Rosberg think might happen when he puts his car somewhere it had no right to be?! Yes, that's right. Accident. Bingo.

If Rosberg had done this to another teams car they would have made a complaint and the FIA would have investigated.
 
Marching said:
:lol: So what do you/Rosberg think might happen when he puts his car somewhere it had no right to be?! Yes, that's right. Accident. Bingo.
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There's actually a different between being aggressive and not giving anything up to actually intending for the cars to touch. Have a look at the Anthony Davidson video in the previous page.
 
Amir said:
There's actually a different between being aggressive and not giving anything up to actually intending for the cars to touch. Have a look at the Anthony Davidson video in the previous page.
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Ive no problem with agressive driving but to not yield when he had nowhere else to go other than into Hamiltons tyre is blatantly wrong. I watched the video and it confirms that Rosberg should have backed out....it also quite clearly shows him turn his car away from Hamiltons only to turn again into it and hit it. Blatent cheating IMO. Rosberg could not avoid hitting Hamiltons car with his car turned in like that.
 
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Hamilton 7 tenths over everyone in FP1, FP2 car won't start. Just that kinda season for him.
 
Hamilton on pole, Rosberg P2. McLaren did a good job with P5 and P6 for Magnussen and Button. Raikkonnen back in P12 is disappointing for Ferrari.
 
Hamilton finally breaks the Rosberg run, pole by nearly 3 tenths at Monza.

Turn 1 should be....interesting.
 
Nobody was ever going to get near Merc at Monza, the most top speed dependant circuit on the calendar.

If Nico gives Hamilton a puncture into T1 I might die laughing.
 
Oh man mega overtake from Hamilton on Massa, that is so hard to do.
 
Leg-End said:
Move wouldn't happen without Massa being fair but an outside move at the T1 chicane? Give the man credit.
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I have no problem giving him credit where it's due, but Massa basically put his Mercedes powered car on the hard shoulder to let Hamilton through.
 
Rado_N said:
I have no problem giving him credit where it's due, but Massa basically put his Mercedes powered car on the hard shoulder to let Hamilton through.
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:lol: yeah ok. Let's see how many more people do that move in this race then.
 
Leg-End said:
:lol: yeah ok. Let's see how many more people do that move in this race then.
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What does that prove?! Next time we see a Merc behind a Merc powered lower team going into T1 you'll have a valid comparison.

Hamilton is capable of properly top drawer overtakes, that just wasn't one of them.
 
Rado_N said:
What does that prove?! Next time we see a Merc behind a Merc powered lower team going into T1 you'll have a valid comparison.

Hamilton is capable of properly top drawer overtakes, that just wasn't one of them.
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Except it was. The Williams has the highest top speed of anyone out there, not sure what difference the engine makes, the move was done under braking with race craft.
 
How can you pull over? They both went into the corner together.

The amount of overtakes into that first chicane is done through the inside, to suggest that move by Hamilton was simply someone pulling over shows that you know nothing about racing.
 
F-Red said:
How can you pull over? They both went into the corner together.

The amount of overtakes into that first chicane is done through the inside, to suggest that move by Hamilton was simply someone pulling over shows that you know nothing about racing.
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I guess Martin Brundle knows nothing about racing, then.
 
Nick even if Hamilton was the only driver on the track you would still find something to discredit him.
 
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