The F1 Thread 2014 Season

Rosberg wasn't even disappointed after the race, strange.
The way Mercedes and the British Media in particular have flogged Rosberg is BOLLOCKS. This is F1, and if you are naïve enough to think this type of thing doesn't go on that's up to you.
Who would think a driver would crash in order to help a team mate?
But hey, you are a Hamilton fan and I can't stand the precious twat.
 
psychdelicblues said:
Rosberg hung himself out to dry.
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How did he do that?

Rosberg made a mistake at Spa, everybody knows that. Equally there is no way he did it knowing that he would puncture Hamiltons car ( as some on here suggested).

We have seen many incidents as these over the years , and many worse yet this one in particular has been blown out of proportion.
Nicki "Loud Mouth Lauda and Toto Wolf should have known better than go public with there opinions. It is a team game and should have been dealt with in - house.
Hamilton didn't help when he came out of a TEAM meeting and claimed that Rosberg admitted he did it on purpose (which he obviously did not say ).
The Media ( British in particular ) joined in the flogging as have many on here.

Todays events were very strange to say the least, I don't buy this pressure thing. I am not even suggesting that the team told Rosberg to give the position up during the race but I feel they have told Rosberg he must give something back to Hamilton ( in other words he owes him) and Rosberg chose to do it this way.
At no time did Rosberg even try to take the chicane, no big lock ups nothing.
Rosberg did not have the look of a man who just fecked up and threw the race away, in fact he looked fairly comfortable with things.

I seem to remember last season when Rosberg cruised up behind Hamilton and the Team told him to hold position, Rosberg said that they owed him one after that.
Did the TEAM ever give that back to Rosberg?
 
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No11 said:
Rosberg wasn't even disappointed after the race, strange.
The way Mercedes and the British Media in particular have flogged Rosberg is BOLLOCKS. This is F1, and if you are naïve enough to think this type of thing doesn't go on that's up to you.
Who would think a driver would crash in order to help a team mate?
But hey, you are a Hamilton fan and I can't stand the precious twat.
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I have said before yes I am a Lewis fan, but that does not mean I have a set of blinkers on and like you said you cant stand him.
Would not make any difference to you what happened, Lewis would always be a twat ( your words not mine)
Nico has cheated TWICE this season , we all know that even his team have said it, so his flogging by the British Media again your words not mine , is justified.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
Nico has cheated TWICE this season , we all know that even his team have said it, so his flogging by the British Media again your words not mine , is justified.
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This is where you have your blinkers on, he might well have been aware of what he was doing at Monaco but no way can you say what happened at Spa was cheating. He lost the lead and knew his best chance of getting it back was straight away. He misjudged it.
As I have said many times he made a mistake and boy is he paying for it.
If he is a cheat then practically every driver on the grid is likewise.
 
No11 said:
This is where you have your blinkers on, he might well have been aware of what he was doing at Monaco but no way can you say what happened at Spa was cheating. He lost the lead and knew his best chance of getting it back was straight away. He misjudged it.
As I have said many times he made a mistake and boy is he paying for it.
If he is a cheat then practically every driver on the grid is likewise.
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So he cheated then. Glad that's sorted. Having seen him cheat once what makes you think he wouldn't again? It's bizarre that you can't see he deliberately put his car into Hamilton's tyre in Belgium when the film shows it.

@pauldyson1uk - great race from Hamilton today! Showed a lot of character and all his racing class...looked very relaxed too.
 
Marching said:
It's bizarre that you can't see he deliberately put his car into Hamilton's tyre in Belgium when the film shows it.
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Its even more bizarre that you claimed that he did knowing it would cause more damage to Hamiltons car than it would his own.
 
No11 said:
How did he do that?

Rosberg made a mistake at Spa, everybody knows that. Equally there is no way he did it knowing that he would puncture Hamiltons car ( as some on here suggested).

We have seen many incidents as these over the years , and many worse yet this one in particular has been blown out of proportion.
Nicki "Loud Mouth Lauda and Toto Wolf should have known better than go public with there opinions. It is a team game and should have been dealt with in - house.
Hamilton didn't help when he came out of a TEAM meeting and claimed that Rosberg admitted he did it on purpose (which he obviously did not say ).
The Media ( British in particular ) joined in the flogging as have many on here.

Todays events were very strange to say the least, I don't buy this pressure thing. I am not even suggesting that the team told Rosberg to give the position up during the race but I feel they have told Rosberg he must give something back to Hamilton ( in other words he owes him) and Rosberg chose to do it this way.
At no time did Rosberg even try to take the chicane, no big lock ups nothing.
Rosberg did not have the look of a man who just fecked up and threw the race away, in fact he looked fairly comfortable with things.

I seem to remember last season when Rosberg cruised up behind Hamilton and the Team told him to hold position, Rosberg said that they owed him one after that.
Did the TEAM ever give that back to Rosberg?
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Mercedes can run their team however they want. Lewis was brought to this team at a cost of 20 mill Euro/year whearas Nico is on 11mill. There is a reason why he commands such status compared to his 'underrated' teammate. Ultimately, Lewis is the more valuable asset , simply because he is quicker and everybody knows it.
 
RedFish said:
Mercedes can run their team however they want. Lewis was brought to this team at a cost of 20 mill Euro/year whearas Nico is on 11mill. There is a reason why he commands such status compared to his 'underrated' teammate. Ultimately, Lewis is the more valuable asset , simply because he is quicker and everybody knows it.
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Absolutely agree, I have always said Mercedes took Hamilton to become WC , not runner up.
Doesn't alter my opinions on recent events.
 
No11 said:
Its even more bizarre that you claimed that he did knowing it would cause more damage to Hamiltons car than it would his own.
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Didn't someone else go out today as his tyre was punctured by a nose cone? And my point at Spa was that Rosberg was clearly pissied off at losing the corner and turned into Hamilton's tyre and a car with a puncture is always going to take longer to pit than a car with a damaged nose cone.

You're letting you obvious hatred of LH to get in the way.
 
Marching said:
Didn't someone else go out today as his tyre was punctured by a nose cone? And my point at Spa was that Rosberg was clearly pissied off at losing the corner and turned into Hamilton's tyre and a car with a puncture is always going to take longer to pit than a car with a damaged nose cone.

You're letting you obvious hatred of LH to get in the way.
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I will stick with my opinions, it works both ways.
 
Marching said:
So he cheated then. Glad that's sorted. Having seen him cheat once what makes you think he wouldn't again? It's bizarre that you can't see he deliberately put his car into Hamilton's tyre in Belgium when the film shows it.

@pauldyson1uk - great race from Hamilton today! Showed a lot of character and all his racing class...looked very relaxed too.
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I agree, thought he showed a lot of class today, after he messed up his start , I thought that was the race over, but he kept the pressure on Nico and forced the error out of him and took his chance and once he was in front he was not going to be caught.
Still think the season will be decided by the double point race and no matter who wins it , the title will be tainted if won because of it.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
I agree, thought he showed a lot of class today, after he messed up his start , I thought that was the race over, but he kept the pressure on Nico and forced the error out of him and took his chance and once he was in front he was not going to be caught.
Still think the season will be decided by the double point race and no matter who wins it , the title will be tainted if won because of it.
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It's a terrible idea but I wouldn't give a toss if Hamilton benefited from it. He's had the short straw regarding reliability issues.
 
No11 said:
Todays events were very strange to say the least
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How were they? Rosberg struggled with his braking into turn one quite a bit over the weekend, and this season he's made a bit of habit of messing up under braking while leading and being put under pressure from behind (Canada, Austria x2). And being the 'cerebral' driver that he is, he'd rather miss a chicane than heavily flat spot a tyre and have to make another stop.
 
No11 said:
Rosberg wasn't even disappointed after the race, strange.
The way Mercedes and the British Media in particular have flogged Rosberg is BOLLOCKS. This is F1, and if you are naïve enough to think this type of thing doesn't go on that's up to you.
Who would think a driver would crash in order to help a team mate?
But hey, you are a Hamilton fan and I can't stand the precious twat.
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I read the comments by some of the people in this thread before i actually had seen the incident at Spa and i thought he had smashed him by how pissed of some of them were, after watching F1 for around 20 years i have seen that sort of "crash" hundred's of times, it was a racing incident and nothing else.
 
I do have to laugh at all the conspiracy stuff in this thread right now. There is no way that Rosberg intentionally hit Hamilton last race, he made an error of judgement and that was it.

It seems every little mistake by either driver or their teams/pit crews is now being viewed as if it has some hidden motive.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
I agree, thought he showed a lot of class today, after he messed up his start , I thought that was the race over, but he kept the pressure on Nico and forced the error out of him and took his chance and once he was in front he was not going to be caught.
Still think the season will be decided by the double point race and no matter who wins it , the title will be tainted if won because of it.
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Not with you on this one, simply because had it not been for reliability issues I think Lewis would be leading the championship. Not only that but I think it's fair to say that some driver's are that good it would be a shame if they didn't win multiple championships. He had 4 wins and 7 poles for Mclaren in 2012 vs Vettel's 5 wins and 6 poles for instance. Alonso is the other driver who 'deserves' more. That said. the double points idea is stupid for obvious reasons, as is all the talk before about artificially making the engines louder for the sake of it!
 
Giggsy92 said:
How were they? Rosberg struggled with his braking into turn one quite a bit over the weekend, and this season he's made a bit of habit of messing up under braking while leading and being put under pressure from behind (Canada, Austria x2). And being the 'cerebral' driver that he is, he'd rather miss a chicane than heavily flat spot a tyre and have to make another stop.
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I think you're right. He took too much speed into the corner and went too deep, realised he couldn't make it, and went straight ahead rather than risk locking up or worse, spinning. It was ok for him in the end, as losing 7 points in a race where he has never made the podium is not too shabby.
 
RedFish said:
I think you're right. He took too much speed into the corner and went too deep, realised he couldn't make it, and went straight ahead rather than risk locking up or worse, spinning. It was ok for him in the end, as losing 7 points in a race where he has never made the podium is not too shabby.
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He didn't take too much speed into the corner, that's the thing. He made no effort to take the corner and only had a small lock up before taking to the slip road.
Nothing I saw suggested he could not make the chicane, that's all he had to do to keep ahead. If he had a big lock up then I could understand.
Hamilton had a huge lock up later on at the same chicane still managed to make the corner and suffered no real damage to his tyres.
Also as I have already said Rosberg did not have the look of a man who fecked up and gave his rival a race win after the race.
Maybe I am wrong but it is my opinion.
The Hamilton brigade on the other hand are never wrong. Blinkered, me?
 
I'm about as far as you can get from being a member of the 'Hamilton brigade' - Rosberg screwed up.
 
I haven't been able to see the race, but from what I gather, Rosberg did the same mistake twice - the first early on when Hamilton wasn't on his tail. So unless it was well planned out, including an early false error at the same place, he obviously had a bit of a problem there.
 
I'm sorry but the notion that a championship rival would gift you 7 points because of what happened in a previous race is plain dumb.

Rosberg would never have agreed to it.
 
Dan said:
Hmm, not sure about this new rule.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/29161931
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daft rule, it would rule out telling a driver to push more as he can catch the car in front of him before the end of the race as well. Or let your driver know he is using to much fuel percentage up. Would stop communicating to the driver that their is an issue with the car that means he needs to stop/pit I guess as well. Just so much wrong with it, and no good reason that it should be in place.
 
There's a fair bit of logic actually & in some ways I agree with the decision. The challenge you have is that the rule either has to exist, and exist with a strict leniency, or doesn't even exist at all. You can't really have a grey area around the radio messages.

It'll cut out these embarassing messages:

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Drivers should be there to drive, and the pit team should be communicating driver position & pit stop information, not about where to use kers & what gears they should on in each corner.
 
The 2015 calendar in full:

15/03 Australia
29/03 Malaysia
05/04 Bahrain
19/04 China
10/05 Spain
24/05 Monaco
07/06 Canada
21/06 Austria
05/07 Britain
19/07 Germany
26/07 Hungary
23/08 Belgium
06/09 Italy
20/09 Singapore
27/09 Japan
11/10 Russia
25/10 USA
01/11 Mexico
15/11 Brazil
29/11 Abu Dhabi
 
Saw an article with a list of things that can and can't be said over the radio with the new rules. Safe to say it is going to be confusing, and probably come down to interperation. The lists were massive.
 
Dargonk said:
Saw an article with a list of things that can and can't be said over the radio with the new rules. Safe to say it is going to be confusing, and probably come down to interperation. The lists were massive.
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They'll just come up with code words or something
 
Just read the article on the BBC about it and there is a specific provision for 'anything that sounds like a coded message'.

Hm, they might actually end up stopping them.

So if they do stop messages getting through relating to brake wear, cornering speed, gear selection etc etc, who do we think will suffer most?
 
Not sure about this radio ban, I think the general idea behind it was good but it seems like they have been overly aggressive on what to enforce. The fact they can't tell the driver about clutch maps for starts or adjustment of engine/gear settings just seems silly, almost like they want to increase the reliability problems.

I won't be missing the "driving advice?", "brake 3 meters later in Turn 3", "use more throttle in Turn 10" type stuff though, that was getting actually a little bit embarassing to listen to.
 
With the amount of things not allowed, though, they'll need to memorize a whole of of codes that don't sound too suspicious. Unless of course they only settle for a couple of things. Sounds a little too complicated.
 
Leg-End said:
I won't be missing the "driving advice?", "brake 3 meters later in Turn 3", "use more throttle in Turn 10" type stuff though, that was getting actually a little bit embarassing to listen to.
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Definitely agree with this.
 
Sometimes F1 can be the biggest joke around. So after deciding to ban all those instructions, they delay some of them (car performance related stuff) to 2015. Driver performance advice is still banned, though.
 
Interesting last practice session. Looks like there could be a proper fight for pole between 3 teams, although Mercedes will probably have a little extra in the bag.

Glad driver coaching is banned. No way should engineers be telling drivers when to brake and what gear to be in. Hamilton sounded particularly pleased/smug about this in an interview yesterday. I wonder if he knows/thinks Rosberg gets more from it than him?
 
Most uncomfortable the Merc's have looked all season but there is no way they aren't hiding some performance, might be closer than usual though.

I think Rosberg is generally considered to be a very analytical driver so he likes to have all the telemetry overlays, race engineer feedback and know where he is losing/gaining time. Nowdays they all do it but some perhaps became a little reliant on it to tell them the limits rather than finding them themselves, remains to be seen though.
 
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