how can driving from the pit lane to 3rd be nothing special.
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I wouldn't say nothing special. But to be fair, with the rain, the satety car, DRS and just having a far better car than most, it sounds like a better achievement that in actually is. I expected Hamilton to finish at least fifth.
They may have been on different strategies but surely they were still racing each other as proved in the end. Keeping Rosberg behind ultimately helped Hamilton which was unknowingly part of Hamilton's strategy.
You did this on purpose, right?
for reasons I have already given. He made one great overtake, apart from that it was no where near as stunning as some seem to think.
Your point is?
Hamilton started from the pitlane with a car made from old engine parts, spun with cold brakes in Turn 2. 22nd to 3rd ahead of his teammate who started on pole AND had the better strategy mid-race. He overtook about 10 cars in the wet, most of it offscreen, worked his way past cars in the dry to 2nd, finished 3rd after Red Bull made the right strategy work with a 15 second time advantage.
I don't think it was some incredible drive by any means, but to dismiss it as a "nothing special" is a bit unfair.
I don't think it was some incredible drive by any means, but to dismiss it as a "nothing special" is a bit unfair.
To add his car was on fire and had to be rebuilt within 12 hours. Pretty amazing come back. It's wasn't incredible but easily one of the best drives you'll see this season. To say he isn't one of the drivers of the day is odd but it is Lewis Hamilton so I'm not surprised.
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he was driving a brand new car, with no testing and after a spin in the first lap, your just being harsh, any other driver and they would be raving about it, he came within a whisker of winning the race from the pit lane , I doubt any other driver has been even close. The last 2 races have proved how good a driver he is.
Lewis could win a race on 3 wheels and some would say it was nothing, more of a case of not liking Lewis, easy drive of the day.
Surprised he didn't have another DNF, credit to his side of the garage for building him to new car in so little time.
a DNF was my choice of finish, even during the race I did not think he would finish.
IMHO one of the best drives you will see all season.
What about if he'd come in a lap after, with Rosberg stuck behind the traffic? My point is similar to yours in that they took an unnecessary risk with strategy, as I feel Lewis struggles to look after tyres.
This would've been an option I guess. It depends if Hamilton would have been able to lose less than one second with his medium tyres on a Rosberg on new soft tyres in traffic (Rosberg without traffic on older soft tyres was 1.27 seconds per lap faster than Hamilton before he got stuck behind Hamilton + Hamilton's pit stops seem to take longer than Rosberg's #tinfoilhat
). Still think that would have been a 50/50 at best for Hamilton to stay in front of Rosberg.But yeah, essentially we agree that they took a risk/made the wrong decision by giving Hamilton medium tyres instead of soft.
The only explanation I have for Hamilton and Rosberg getting different tyres is that they thought it would rain late in the race again (on TV they said that there was a high probability for rain late in the race) an thus gave Hamilton the medium tyres so he could drive on until it rains and then put on intermediates, saving one stop compared to the other drivers around him who would have to come in one more time because of their soft tyres.
Maybe Ferrari thought the same but thought that Alonso could save his soft tyres long enough until intermediates were needed again. Big compliment to him. He was able to keep Hamilton behind him despite driving the worse car with soft tyres which were one lap older than Hamilton's. He probably was relieved when Rosberg closed in on Hamilton and thus prevented Hamilton from attacking him in the last round.
Rosberg (together with the guys on places 2-4) on the other hand was fecked by the safety car and I think they tried to get him back to first with 2 short stints on soft tyres until the rain comes.
Thats putting it mildly, cant stand the twat.
at lest you honest.Lewis has made up 50 places in the last 4 races alone. I know it's a great car but still very impressive.
he's shown that he's one of the best, if not the best, drivers out there atm.
still, he comes across like an annoying cnut.
still, he comes across like an annoying cnut.
I am a big Lewis fan, the past 2 races have shown just how good a driver he is, but he is damn annoying, the sort of person you would be happy to punch all day long.
If you don't like him, why are you a fan of his?
Maybe he likes his racing style? I loved Mansell as a kid because on track he was a proper racer, but even as a kid I knew he was a bellend offtrack.
Yes I am a big fan of his but I can see why people dont like him, that is what I meant.
He just tells it how it is, no pussy footing around and I like that, some don't.
Hm, fair enough if you think that way. For me I support the guys I like. I can admire Hamilton's talent but at the same time I hope he DNF's every race because I think he's a complete cock.
Fair enough, that makes more sense.
I know a lot of people support him just because he's British, which is something that's never made sense to me.
Aren't you a Raikonnen fan, though? He's an even bigger twat, without as much talent to back it up.
I've always loved Kimi, yea, and don't consider him in the slightest bit a twat, but its all opinions innit.
That talent comment is horseshit, though.
I don't think Raikonnen is as anywhere near as good as Hamilton but, like you said, it's all opinions. I reckon the paddock would agree with me, though.
Kimi is just a moody fecker, always seems to be in a bad mood, but that's just him, another driver I like, some of his radio comments are just quality.
I have to disagree with the talent comment, he has masses of talent.
I have to disagree with the talent comment, he has masses of talent.
When Hamilton first started off he was the media darling in UK and most loved him. Then he started acting a dick. I remember some disrespectful comments about red bull just being a drinks company and something about him knowing better than Ferrari (out of context maybe). However he's become a better person in recent times and so I've gone back to wanting him to win more though not as much as others. He seems to enjoy it more nowadays as well but has his moments still. Nobody can deny his talent and we need more drivers like him.
Criminal how we have all these champs not fighting for the title in competively similar cars especially Alonso who is the best driver on the grid. I really hope he wins in the Ferrari he kinda deserves it if you can say that.
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Criminal how we have all these champs not fighting for the title in competively similar cars especially Alonso who is the best driver on the grid. I really hope he wins in the Ferrari he kinda deserves it if you can say that.
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Ricciardo is a breath of fresh air compared to the some of these guys.
I'm not saying he doesn't. He's just not as good as Hamilton, imo.
For me he is only behind Alonso atm, simply because i don't see him being able to get the same results in the flogged-horse.
Hamilton? 2009.
Struggled at the start of the year then the McLaren was more competitive in the last half of the season, fair point.
Alonso has been doing it for a few years now to be fair, twice taking the title to the last race.
Hamilton makes more mistakes as well.
Put it on the podium at the first round, Trulli going offtrack under the safety car lost him that, very nearly did at Bahrain too. The McLaren did get more competitive but his win at Hungary was outstanding. Are we really using Alonso's Ferrari title years as "bad car" examples? Everything was worse than the Red Bull for the most part and Alonso certainly did pull it to tremendous results, particularly early in the seasons when it wasn't developed. I'd point more towards his second stint at Renault as showing what he can do in a properly poor car. 2012 Hamilton was let down badly by McLaren's relaibility else he would have been right in it too, Singapore retirement whilst leading was brutal timing.
Hamilton is prone to errors but I'm sure you could point to spells where all F1 drivers had that, 2011 Hamilton went off the boil. He certainly has made a couple of errors in quali this year too but for the most part his biggest issue the last 3-4 years has been reliability, I wouldn't class him as mistake prone by any means.
I think you could argue all year about picking between drivers like Alonso and Hamilton, they are both top class and I enjoy watching them both. The top level of the grid is talent rich currently, we are quite lucky to experience it.
Hamilton is prone to errors but I'm sure you could point to spells where all F1 drivers had that, 2011 Hamilton went off the boil. He certainly has made a couple of errors in quali this year too but for the most part his biggest issue the last 3-4 years has been reliability, I wouldn't class him as mistake prone by any means.
I think you could argue all year about picking between drivers like Alonso and Hamilton, they are both top class and I enjoy watching them both. The top level of the grid is talent rich currently, we are quite lucky to experience it.
Sorry but Alonso is in a league of one, Hamilton is not at his level.
That's your opinion, I'm not going to argue about it. I really don't think there is much between them, the one season we got them in the same car they were level on points (albeit one was a rookie and the other was unsettled).
If I was starting an F1 team and had free choice my two drivers would be Alonso and Hamilton.
If I was starting an F1 team and had free choice my two drivers would be Alonso and Hamilton.
It's not a slight on Hamilton, as I say I consider Alonso to be in a league of his own.
Put them both in the mythical perfect car, set up to their perfect liking and they'd probably be much of a muchness over a single lap, but I just think Alonso's racecraft is above anyone else out there.
Put them both in the mythical perfect car, set up to their perfect liking and they'd probably be much of a muchness over a single lap, but I just think Alonso's racecraft is above anyone else out there.
I don't think there is a better driver that qualifies sort of 5th to 8th and when you look up after 10 laps he's in 2nd or 3rd, deserves to have another title before he's done that is for sure.
Alonso? For sure, him and Hamilton are the top 2 drivers out there for me, and after coming so close all these years he does deserve one more, although I find him a moaning git a lot of the time so I do struggle to support him in races.
I think if you put everyone in a perfect car, Vettel wins because his concentration is second to none. Hardly ever made a mistake in his Red Bull that dominated.