The F1 Thread 2010 Season

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I retake the lead! Although I'm not sure why Larsson's team value has soared above mine, when I've scored more points?
 
Lee McKenzie (who would so get it btw) just tweeted

Just reinterviewed Christian Horner who now feels Webber pushed Vettel onto dirty side and says Webber slow as saving fuel!
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Wasn't Horner and his cronies hugging Vettel on the pitwall after the incidence. Way to run a team, Let favour the wonderboy :smirk:
 
That just re-affirms my dislike for Horner. Hanging out Webber to dry for something that was very clearly a Vettel/Team feck up.
 
I hate Webber, but I feel for him a bit here. He did nothing wrong, really, and yet is taking the heat because he's not the little blue-eyed boy. Horner is such a massive, massive cnut.
 
F-Red said:
That just re-affirms my dislike for Horner. Hanging out Webber to dry for something that was very clearly a Vettel/Team feck up.
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I do agree with him in the respect that he should have perhaps given more room and yielded when he was beaten....but to not talk about Vettel turning in on him isn't good enough (maybe he did and I didn't hear it, I'm not going to listen again mind)
 
Count Duckula said:
I hate Webber, but I feel for him a bit here. He did nothing wrong, really, and yet is taking the heat because he's not the little blue-eyed boy. Horner is such a massive, massive cnut.
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Hate is a bit strong, but I do think Webber can be an impetuous weasal himself. Made all the worse by the fact he's usually the first to criticise the ability of others when they do the same kind of thing

But you're right, he did nothing wrong. As should be blatantly obvious to anyone when they see the main defence of Vettel being that Webber should have made an effort to get out of his way! You what?!!

Horner might be trying to protect his little angel here, but he's making himself look a right cnut doing so
 
Have the FIA said whether they'll be investigating the incident, what's the offence, causing an unnecessary accident or whatever they call it

Because as I said before, this is the 2nd one of these by Vettel this season, the other being vs Hamilton in the pits
 
I don't think the FIA will get involved to be honest, when something happens between team mates then they leave it to the teams to go about disciplinary action if its required.

I think the FIA would be wise to leave it to Red Bull, however by the way Horner is going on the only reason an accident occurred was that Webber didnt move over, as opposed to Vettel taking the grass or, shock horror, break.
 
It's still dangerous, you can't turn in on someone like that, he couldn't know what could have happened and he look at how close he came to collecting Webber when they'd both gone off the track and Webber was recovering back to the track.

It's just my personal opinion that the stewards have been far too lenient this season
 
B Cantona said:
Hate is a bit strong, but I do think Webber can be an impetuous weasal himself. Made all the worse by the fact he's usually the first to criticise the ability of others when they do the same kind of thing.
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"fecking kids" springs to mind, especially considering the other driver!
 
Rooney1987 said:
Over the last week I've read rumours of Webber maybe leaving Red Bull maybe this is connected.
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that's nothing new, those rumours have been around since the end of last year - Raikkonen has been linked with taking his seat next year due to his redbull connections.
 
It wouldn't surprise me if Webber goes next year either. Kubica would be touted as his replacement i'd assume. Webber would put a real spanner in the works by winning the world title this year.
 
F-Red said:
It wouldn't surprise me if Webber goes next year either. Kubica would be touted as his replacement i'd assume. Webber would put a real spanner in the works by winning the world title this year.
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Much like how I imagine Brawn were feeling about the possibility of a Barrichello win last season when Button was having a tough time, roundabout Spa time and the races before it
 
Definitely, i would probably see Kubica and Webber being the big named movers for 2011.

I can't see any team contemplating Raikonnen unless they have a big budget to spend, i doubt he'll drop his wages to get back into F1
 
I do too as he was a great driver, fast as feck. Just with the wages he'd command the only real teams that could accomodate him would be the big four.
 
Well he's driving for a redbull team this year so who knows. I'm holding out hope anyway, I was pretty gutted when the idiot politicians at Ferrari drove him out, I'm crossing my fingers I'll see him back in the game one day.
 
Raikkonen will replace Webber next year at Red Bull - I mean he's driving for a Red Bull rally team for feck's sake! "Sorry, Kimi, we can't get you in this year because we've signed both our drivers, but you've always wanted to rally, and we have a rally team for you to go into for a year..."

The question is where will Webber end up. Lots of whispers he'll be replacing Massa at Ferrari.
 
He's not driving for a Red Bull rally team. He's driving for Citroen Juniors, Red Bull are just primary sponsors. Coincidence, nothing more.
 
Redbull are the primary reason he is there. I don't think Kimi is actually being paid, I think its a pay drive funded by Redbull F-Red. I'm not exactly certain but that was the jist coming out of Europe when it teed off about him going there.


Given how much Ferrari had to pay him off, its not that bad.
 
HOw in fks names anybody can put any blame on Weber there is a complete mystery. Obviously other agendas at work with Horner as my 6 yr old daughter could see that was Vettel's fault

Still a great race by Hamilton

All hotting up nicely
 
It was partly Webbers fault - he didn't give Vettel any space even after Vettel's car was two thirds ahead of his and already in the braking zone. Vettel lost grip being on the dirty side of the track.

Compare this with the Mclarens where they gave each other space and Button recognized who the faster driver on the day was. Racing is also about realizing limits - Vettel was much quicker than Webber at that point in the race.
 
Instant Karma said:
It was partly Webbers fault - he didn't give Vettel any space even after Vettel's car was two thirds ahead of his and already in the braking zone. Vettel lost grip being on the dirty side of the track.

Compare this with the Mclarens where they gave each other space and Button recognized who the faster driver on the day was. Racing is also about realizing limits - Vettel was much quicker than Webber at that point in the race.
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Come on IK you can't claim that. Its pretty evident that Vettel turned the wheel 'however minute that he did' and it wasn't because of a lack of grip.

The point that I feel is being missed that you pointed out is that Webber practically had him on the grass. if he had given even 50cm more room, they probably wouldn't have touched given the speed advantage that Vettel had.
 
marchi-91 said:
Come on IK you can't claim that. Its pretty evident that Vettel turned the wheel 'however minute that he did' and it wasn't because of a lack of grip.

The point that I feel is being missed that you pointed out is that Webber practically had him on the grass. if he had given even 50cm more room, they probably wouldn't have touched given the speed advantage that Vettel had.
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So why did Vettel turn the wheel when he was already ahead of Webber by two thirds car length ? Did he intentionally want to ruin both their races out of spite ?

And your post is contradictory - you claim that Vettel was practically forced onto the grass but yet he had good grip off the racing line.

Vettel has raced wheel to wheel with the likes of Alonso, Lewis, Kimi while Webber is notorious for being stupid when overtaken.

Also, its partly the teams fault for not having clear instructions and a clear no. 1 driver. Whenever the team does not have a clear no.1, both drivers as well as the team loses (Alonso/Lewis, Kimi/Massa, Webber/Vettel). Mclaren may not be fair to Jenson with Lewis being their No.1 driver but the strategy helped Schumacher win 7 titles.

This could have easily been avoided if they had just given a heads up to Webber over the radio - 'Vettel is quicker than you and may attempt to pass. Lets not do anything stupid' . It isn't a team order to let a driver through but he would have understood whats being implied. :smirk:
 
Instant Karma said:
It was partly Webbers fault - he didn't give Vettel any space even after Vettel's car was two thirds ahead of his and already in the braking zone. Vettel lost grip being on the dirty side of the track.

Compare this with the Mclarens where they gave each other space and Button recognized who the faster driver on the day was. Racing is also about realizing limits - Vettel was much quicker than Webber at that point in the race.
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For one, bollocks he did, Button gave it everything to try and pass, although you suspect there was some radio talk from the team to settle them after that great patch of racing

And for two, unlike Vettel, neither of them tried to pull off a move they didn't have the space to execute. Vettel was not past Webber, nor was he on the racing line. He had the option of slowing and pulling out of the move, but instead he opted to drive into his team mate, essentially saying move or your off in a split second moment. As it turned out, Webber got to the end, and Vessel paid the most costly price. He got what he deserved
 
B Cantona said:
For one, bollocks he did, Button gave it everything to try and pass, although you suspect there was some radio talk from the team to settle them after that great patch of racing

And for two, unlike Vettel, neither of them tried to pull off a move they didn't have the space to execute. Vettel was not past Webber, nor was he on the racing line. He had the option of slowing and pulling out of the move, but instead he opted to drive into his team mate, essentially saying move or your off in a split second moment. As it turned out, Webber got to the end, and Vessel paid the most costly price. He got what he deserved
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:D Ahem....... a move by Vettal not unlike a certain Schumacher did against Damien in Adelaide in 94!!

Srry marchi, could'nt resist - I just checked the Adelaide one and it is almost identical

Only difference being in Adelaide Schumacher had a title to try to hold onto in the last race of the season so what the fk Vettel was thinking here - God only knows!
 
They both drive into a fellow racer, no question there. The difference is Schumacher does it deliberately in a stricken Benetton to take his tital rival off the track and win the World Championship; Vettel does it believing his team mate will / should move over and give him the room to ensure they both make it through the corner, and obviously Vettel passes

Both were 100% to blame for their crashes, and both needlessly put another driver at risk crashing at high speed. And ironically, both have plenty of clueless dickheads defending them and trying to blame the innocent party afterwards...
 
They both caused a crash and defended their actions, if that's enough to say they're the same then you can compare 90% of F1 crashes to Schumacher at Adelaide.
 
You can't really, 90% of crashes don't involve deliberately steering your car into the direction of a rival

I don't think they compare really. Both were stupid though. One was malicious, morally corrupt and sadly, rewarded
 
That's my point, I don't think Vettel 'deliberately steered into a rival', but I'm not gonna argue about it.
 
He knew Webber was there and he turned his wheel to steer his car in that direction Nick, that's clear. He obviously isn't trying to take him off, that's the significant difference
 
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