erm...Webber was on the racing line.
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erm...Webber was on the racing line.
marchi is.
Where have I said that Vettel was not to blame??? Point it out. I made a brash statement until I had seen the onboard. Vettel is to blame but its not 100% his fault as brundle would like you to believe.
Lewis and Webbers reaction aren't too far off there on the podium. Lewis must be tired I know hes been flying to LA and back a few times over the last 2 weeks
The racing line on the circuit cuts across earlier. Webber stayed left after pushing Vettel outwide.
Ok then, wasn't talking to you anyway.
Webber had the racing line, Vettel didn't. That's the long & short of it.
ok
vettel was more culpable there IMO
good race today and schumi is improving every race
the rain would have thrown it wide open today....!!
good race today and schumi is improving every race
the rain would have thrown it wide open today....!!
He did have it, but he wasn't on it. As we've seen this year, Vettel could so easily have made a mistake in the braking area. It was a big mistake from Vettel but the blame doesn't just lye with him.
You don't knock your team mate off, and both drivers let the team down. If they had driven smart like the McLaren drivers, there wouldn't be an issue right now.
Exactly. Vettel was on the inside for the upcoming left corner. He therefore needs to find his breaking point earlier as he doesn't have space to hit the apex like normal. Webber gave him 1 car's width only, no more. It's then up to Vettel to make the correct decision.
I'm not saying Vettel should be villified, he made a small mistake or the car went away from him. Webber however was 100% blameless, 1 car width given and drove in a straight line, closer to the main racing line.
If Vettel didn't make the move, Red Bull would have the 1-2 victory. I can't see the blame lying with anyone else but Vettel.
Vettel was far enough up that Webber has to look at the situation and say, what can I now do to get back under him. He didn't have to move, but as a team mate you need too look at the situation as Button and Hamilton did.
What it is, is two hot heads coming together. Vettel will get over it, and so will Webber, but the team need to discuss where the drivers are. This could so easily start boiling over like Alonso and Hamilton.
He was alongside him, the move wasn't fully stuck as an overtake. I'd be inclined to agree if Vettel had actually passed Webber. The cold hard fact is that he hadn't passed him fully.
Except that Vettel has already held his hands up, which is more than either of those two brats would have done during 2007.
Schumacher getting better by every race aswell shame the Merc isn't up there with the Red Bull and Mclarens would be allot more exciting.
Did he? From the interview he tried to dodge the question.
Interestingly enough, this isn't the first time an Newey engineered team has done this. Austria 99 to those playing at home at the hairpin.
Christ I miss that circuit
Christ I miss that circuit
Not seen an interview but the footage of him going back to the pit wall looked quite clear to me that he was accepting responsibility.
He was up far enough up on the inside though. Given about a 2/3rd of a car length ahead. Both drivers could have done better and thats all i'm going to say.
Pointing to the person at fault 
Can't blame Webber there. What was he supposed to do, move over so Vettel can take 1st place? No driver would do that.
YouTube - Vettel - Weber crash in GP Turkey 30.5.2010
Where is this supposed car length of Room that Webber gave?
Vettels fault, but Webber is hardly completely innocent. He gave him nothing and got nothing in return.
Where is this supposed car length of Room that Webber gave?
Vettels fault, but Webber is hardly completely innocent. He gave him nothing and got nothing in return.
He had more room when he drew alongside, he moved right and I cannot see how anyone can see different.
He had room but there was hardly a car width given that Webber virtually had him on the grass. He gave him a tyre width if that.
Which is what he would have given anyone else, much the same as the rest of the grid.
BBC raising an excellent point was that Webber's steering was completely straight throughout that move from Vettel, Vettel's clearly cut across when he wasn't past Webber. It's a simple no brainer.
But the rest of the grid is not his team mate. There will be a long debrief at Redbull. Both drivers could have done better in the situation.
Watched that a few times now and I have changed my mind , Webber did nothing wrong , Vettels fault 100%.
You can see that Webber did not move off his racing line.
Watching the BBC F1 forum I do wish the BBC would use Anthony Davidson more in the main coverage.
But they are fighting for a world driver title, regardless of what they say a driver only really cares about the WDC the WCC is just nice to have. The thing I find unbelievable is Horner's quite obvious backing of Vettel and blaming Webber when there clearly in this case is only one person to blame.
You only have to look at the two McLaren's to see how to race against your team mate, hard but fair. What Vettel did was assume Mark would allow him through and he thought wrong, fair play to Webber because I wouldn't have done anything different in that situation.
Neither McLaren driver drove each other basically off the road like Webber did too Vettel.
For fecks sake, watch the in car replay of Webber. He didn't move his steering wheel at all as Vettel passed him. How can someone drive him off when he didnt move his wheel?
Very intresting on the BBC forum there saying the media saying Horner is siding with Vettel here.
Well that's kind of the point, no? The track curves right before the left-hander, so by not moving the steering wheel Webber was basically pushing Vettel off the road.
I think Vettel has to take almost all of the blame there were it a normal racing incident, but considering it was between teammates then it should play out diferently. Webber should have given him the room to make the move, since Vettel was clearly the faster. Otherwise that might happen.
Not that I care. I fecking hate Mark Webber, it delights me to see him get thrown of the circuit, particularly when he spent the beginning of the season doing nothing but throwing other people off the circuit.
Yeh, when they interviewed him, he seemed to be talking about the drivers giving the other space, and you can't say that Webber did that
I do think it was Vettel's fault, but like with Hamilton v Vettel in the pits in a previous race, I think Webber should have known he was beaten, Vettel was past him and at that point, he should look to give that space.
That's two incidents of Vettel turning in on an opponent now, I await to see the stewards not punish him
So far, anyone siding with Vettel or defending him, is essentially saying Webber should move aside and give him more room because its a team mate
Eh? This isn't charity, it's racing. If Vettel can't make it stick, he needs to pull out. He didn't, and he paid the price. A bit of sporting justice was done
Horner is siding with Vettel, if that is the case, no doubt because he's a spineless fecker who's favouring the man he sees as most likely to lead Red Bull to the title
I like Vettel and I'm not a great fan of Webber, so I'm not bias in the slightest here. It was just bad driving, and it's not beyond folk to just call it as it is sometimes, surely?
Eh? This isn't charity, it's racing. If Vettel can't make it stick, he needs to pull out. He didn't, and he paid the price. A bit of sporting justice was done
Horner is siding with Vettel, if that is the case, no doubt because he's a spineless fecker who's favouring the man he sees as most likely to lead Red Bull to the title
I like Vettel and I'm not a great fan of Webber, so I'm not bias in the slightest here. It was just bad driving, and it's not beyond folk to just call it as it is sometimes, surely?
The track is straight until turn 10 at the end. There was room at the side of the Webber, albeit a car width. Webber has every right to hold the position, as Alex Wurz said in an interview with BBC "it isn't a charity".
He didn't push Vettel off the road, otherwise you would see the steering wheel move to the left, which didn't happen throughout the maneuver. What you did see was Vettel's desperation to get onto the racing line and assumed that Webber would just simply back down & give him the lead. In doing so cutting to the right & causing the accident.
Vettel got his just deserts & its a little bit embarrassing now seeing Christian Horner seemingly back Vettel in this. Out of every expert and pundit i've heard from after the race they all have a unilateral opinion that Vettel was completely at fault.
I haven't seen this Wurz interview so I didn't copy him!
I guess this is where people are inferring that Horner is attaching some blame to Webber
Horner: Where was the room! | Planet F1 | Formula One | News, Standings, Results, Features, Video
Horner: Where was the room! | Planet F1 | Formula One | News, Standings, Results, Features, Video