Schumacher went off the road then drove back onto it to hit Hill. Vettel just steered into Webber.
The accidents are nothing alike.
The accidents are nothing alike.
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Surely you have eyes...... surely
After Shuey hits the wall he comes outside of Hill and does exactly what Vettel did .........turning hard right into him
identical
As I just pointed out its identical - once Shuey had hit the wall Hill came inside him Schuey pulled alongside him and turned hard right into Hill - identical
Whatever the differences outside of the incident the actual similarity and physical details of the incidents are very similar.
What is so different about them. Both Vettel and Shuey came alongside and turned hard right into the other car - yes ? How is that so difficult to see?
Some of you would argue black is red and White is grey - fskes - its just an observation of two similar collisions
So when you ignore most of the incident they're identical? Ok then.
Righto...
Schumacher was ahead of Hill leading up to the crash; Vettel was behind Webber leading up to the crash.
Schumacher is being overtaken; Vettel is doing the overtaking.
Schumacher takes Hill out on a corner as Hill throws the car up the inside; Vettel does it on a straight having already pulled ahead of Webber.
Literally the only things you can claim that make this crash "identical" is that in both cases the car in question hit the car to the right of it and that both drivers in question were German. The crashes themselves were different, the on-track situations were different, the repercussions were different and the motivations were different.
Are you honestly saying that Vettel deliberately took out Webber because he was worried about the championship? Or have you just seen one car turning into another one and thus decided both incidents were identical, despite all the other factors suggesting otherwise?
Vettel was at fault, no doubt, but it's no more like Schumacher's crashing into Hill than it is Alonso crashing into Petrov, or Kimi taking out Sutil.
I'm not saying the Schumacher crash is the same as Vettel but its not the first time this year Vettel has been involved in driving into someone. Remember Lewis in the pits that was dangerous the more I watch it Vettel could have forced Lewis to hit some mechanics.
My god you're a fecking hypocrite. By your logic Damon should have pulled out. And he should have, hence the reasons nearly every F1 commentator at the time said that Damon made the feck up that cost him the world title, not Schumacher. Any driver worth his weight in gold would have done exactly the same thing in that situation because it was at a point where Schumacher was already in the corner by the time Damon threw his car up the inside. Only bitter dickheads can't comprehend that Damon made the eventual feck up. The only reason this was ever made a big deal is because it involved a Britt. Funny that nobody has ever come out and publicly slandered the "greats" Senna and Prost for actually doing it at high speed points on a track and not in a 70kph corner..
As for Defending Vettel. Nobody ever said it wasn't his fault so pull your head out of your arse.
Pedantic to fk, Jezus
In both incidents the car out on the left hand side ( Schumacher and Vettel) turned sharply right into the car that had the line - its not fking rocket science is it!?! just because many other things outside and irrelevant to the exact details of the collisions are different does not deviate from the fact that technically both incidents are the fking same
now stop trying to defend earlier remarks and looking fking silly. Vettel ( and Schumacher ) BOTH steered hard right into cars to their right and caused the collisions - its the fking same
fk me I was only making a tongue in cheek quip earlier and now look at yous - you've started again
The only thing Hill ever did wrong there was to not wait behind for Shuey to come to a natural stop and then go past him but he probably did'nt know the extent of Shueys damage and probably thought this was a chance and took that inside line when Shumacher the cheating cvnt turned hard right across him and knocked himself up into the air although of course succeeding in damaging Hills car
Dont start this all again, you looked fking stupid enough the first time around
That's all I've ever fking claimed and whatever else was going on surrounding the collision is irrelevant
The actual collisions were identical, thanks for confirming that
......finally
YouTube - Schumacher - Hill Battle Crash @ Adelaide 94
Have you ever actually noticed that Hill locks his tyres prior to contact, and you know why? Because on the trajectory he was at, he was never going to make it a smooth corner. He brakes on turn in and understeers. Schumacher was on the racing line and never aimed his car anywhere other then the apex 'shown on the video'. Which is exactly the reason the incident was judged a racing incident. There are far too many variables on the entire incident to look anything other then that. Neither make a smart decision if Brad's going to bullshit about why Webber should give him racing room, why should Michael? He's not the driver passing Hill.
I knew you were joking but, Brads going to be a wise arse dickhead about it, he's going to get it back.
And in the end I really don't care what a bunch of bitter brits have to say about the incident. Even Sir Frank thought Hill was a waste of space.
What a load of horse shit. From start to finish. Schumacher not to blame, Hill really at fault, blah blah blah...And of course people criticise Senna for taking Prost off. It's the sour black mark of his career. I'd imagine people talk about that less now (ITV brought it up in their race day coverage on the pit walk as it goes) because unfortunately he's no longer with us
What I love about idiots like you is the way you bring in supporting 'heresay' that on the face of it all sound rather 'official' as it were.
Of course the truth of it is is that in the racing fraternity everybody actually thinks Schumacher was a cheating cvnt and the Hill incident was his most glorious example of that perpetual ingrained cheating mentallity
I've never heard anybody of note in the racing world call that a 'racing incident' or in anyway blame Damian other than maybe he may have just slowed down and let Schumacher come to a stop but then as I said he no doubt did'nt know the full extent of Schumachers damage - how could he? and thought he had an opportunity too good to miss
As clear as fking day Schumacher took Hill out and there are probably Schumacher, his wife and family, the Bennetton team and about 5 other people in history who think he did'nt
oh of course .......and you
Oh and btw of course he locks his fking tyres cos he can see what Schumacher's in the process of doing but can't brake quickly enough to avoid it .....unlike the greatest cheat in the history of all professional sports
What I love about idiots like you is the way you bring in supporting 'heresay' that on the face of it all sound rather 'official' as it were.
Of course the truth of it is is that in the racing fraternity everybody actually thinks Schumacher was a cheating cvnt and the Hill incident was his most glorious example of that perpetual ingrained cheating mentallity
I've never heard anybody of note in the racing world call that a 'racing incident' or in anyway blame Damian other than maybe he may have just slowed down and let Schumacher come to a stop but then as I said he no doubt did'nt know the full extent of Schumachers damage - how could he? and thought he had an opportunity too good to miss
As clear as fking day Schumacher took Hill out and there are probably Schumacher, his wife and family, the Bennetton team and about 5 other people in history who think he did'nt
oh of course .......and you
Oh and btw of course he locks his fking tyres cos he can see what Schumacher's in the process of doing but can't brake quickly enough to avoid it .....unlike the greatest cheat in the history of all professional sports
Except its far from "clear as fecking day" as the only driver to do anything that was remotely out of the ordinary was Hill diving up the inside. Click on the fecking link. Where in any shape or form does Schumacher smash into Hill. He took the line which he was completely entitled to do, Hill runs up the inside and connects with Schumacher. He 'Schumacher' had no intentions of doing anything but hit that apex and if Damon hit him on the way, then that was tough titties.
And what do I care Schumacher was champion that day. The only people that still believe that Schumacher was a cheating cnut that day, where whinging fecking brits who are still bitter that a driver that had no right to be in the title hunt managed to throw away a title.
Shit if Jackie Stewart and David Hobbs think that it was Hill that made the mistake then why should I take your opinion over there's?
Righto, let me just refresh your memory:
Ahem....... a move by Vettal not unlike a certain Schumacher did against Damien in Adelaide in 94!!
Srry marchi, could'nt resist - I just checked the Adelaide one and it is almost identical
Only difference being in Adelaide Schumacher had a title to try to hold onto in the last race of the season so what the fk Vettel was thinking here - God only knows!
You're clearly bringing other factors into play here. If you were just talking about a car turning right into another car then you'd have hundreds of incidents to choose from. YOU made the comparison between the two, then faced with evidence that there was very little similar between them retreated further and further away from your original argument until eventually you stood in the corner screeching that if you disregarded everything else about the incident then the point at which the two cars hit was the same - and even then, only the gist of it is the same (a car turning right into another car): the actual collision was entirely different.
Whoopdeefeckingdoo.
Or should that be whoopdeef'ckingdoo?
What a complete and utter spastic - I mentioned the outside irrelevant bits in passing - that' fking obvious - even to a pillock like you
As far as the incident stands its identical - both turn hard right into
a/ Hill and b/ Webber, both put themselves out of the race
Bizarrely after pointing out they are the same, they are identical, here you are now saying they're not !!
.......... by all means carry on making a nob of yourself - its funny
You truly believe that I'm the one making a fool out of myself, don't you Jopub? I mean, genuinly, actually believe that.
It'd be funny if it weren't so sad.
It'd be funny if it weren't so sad.
I'm fascinated. So how do you conclude they are different then?
Ten people can type the letter 'a' on a keyboard right?
They can type it exclusively with their index finger of their left hand right? , in a, shall we say, 'poking' motion' yes?
Now excluding all things that happen before and after that in their individual lives, emotionally politically etc ..........that specific physical action will be identical to all of them Yes? (no doubt you'd probably dispute that
)Both racing incidents are technically the same, both drivers turned hard right into the other . I said at the outside that was identical, I did'nt add that Schumachers was the same as Vettels in the context of the specific races it clearly is'nt, so why use that to cause this bollocks of an argument. The physicallity of the collisions are identical.
They are and how you can use my tongue in cheek jibe at Schumacher ( Marchi) and turn it into this is fking loony tunes
........ get a fking life for god sakes
The sport can't stay clear of controversies.
It's not a huge controversy to be honest, both use a third party for some aspect of development (ie. Aerolab). I think its a case for Aerolab to answer for leaving sensitive documents/parts about that other people, not just teams, could get access too.
Exactly, it's hardly comparable to the Ferrari and mclaren incident the other year.
And its convenient for Team lotus to just utilize them for their benefit?
Ofcourse, it is still to be ascertained of if and how Team Lotus came to get those documents with former Force India designer Mike Gascoyne(Lotus-Chief Technical Officer) facing allegations too. Put into the mix is the movement of some personnel from Force India to Lotus.
This is a nothing story. You can't expect Gascoyne to not make similar cars. In the same sense, Adrian Newey's car are all going to share similar DNA.
The F1 website race edit shares some light on Hamilton's demeanor after the race. His team radio whilst leading after the Red Bull's took each other out:
Pitwall - "Lewis we need you to save fuel. Both cars doing the same."
Hamilton - "Jensons closing in on me you guys."
Pitwall - "Understood Lewis"
Hamilton - "If I back off is Jenson going to pass me or not?"
Pitwall - "No Lewis, No"
Button then drives up alongside and has the battle. Either a misunderstanding on Button's part or Button tried to pull a fast one, I would go with the misunderstanding myself but you never know. I reckon "save fuel" was a way of saying hold position but Button never got the memo for that translation.
Pitwall - "Lewis we need you to save fuel. Both cars doing the same."
Hamilton - "Jensons closing in on me you guys."
Pitwall - "Understood Lewis"
Hamilton - "If I back off is Jenson going to pass me or not?"
Pitwall - "No Lewis, No"
Button then drives up alongside and has the battle. Either a misunderstanding on Button's part or Button tried to pull a fast one, I would go with the misunderstanding myself but you never know. I reckon "save fuel" was a way of saying hold position but Button never got the memo for that translation.
I sided with Button there. There's no way they were low on fuel - McLaren were just shitting themselves that the same thing would happen to their two drivers. Tough titties; if you want a driver who'll happily sit behind Lewis and do as he's told than get Kovaleinen back.
You miss the huge bit about Vettel being told to use his overtake button on Webber
Well yeah that too but we all knew that was some bullshit on Red Bulls part.
Webber signs a one year extension. Raikkonen return looks unlikely now.
That would explain why Lewis was glum on the podium, bit of a balls up by Mclaren, opportunism from Button.
Actually similar to the Red bull incident, Webber was on fuel save mode aswell.
Actually similar to the Red bull incident, Webber was on fuel save mode aswell.
I'm at this race! Look for me in the grandstand by the pit straight.
Lucky you, looks like it might be a good one. If its wet then its bound to be good anyway, if its dry the option tires looked shagged after 4 laps in FP2 which would make for an interesting race.
Someone remind Lewis what a red light means at the end of the pits
right then cnuts, qualifying session coming up lots of talk about what happened last week between the mclarens and the red bulls.
hamilton clipped the wall at turn 4 earlier during the last practice. i reckon hamilton could get pole for this one though he was doing well in practice earlier
hamilton clipped the wall at turn 4 earlier during the last practice. i reckon hamilton could get pole for this one though he was doing well in practice earlier
should be an intresting qualifing , team already moaning about the rubber.
hamilton the fastest in Q1, plently of talk about the track being tough on the tyres so far this weekend
ooooohhhh schumacher out in Q2, went straight across the last chicane at the very end too, button was close to being out at one stage too.
I love the Formula 1 weekend.
Nice cars/women everywhere.
Nice cars/women everywhere.
Lap and a half from Hamilton on his second lap on the option.
@ hamilton pushing the car home, what a lap from him!