The F1 Thread 2009 Season

Brad said:
In fact, I'm reminiscent, can anyone point me to the place to get hold of that game again please?
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I downloaded GPM2 the other day, but it was so awful I had to stop playing it so as to not ruin my great memories of the game.

I had all the settings down for each track, and used to put myself in as head of a team like Sauber and take them to the top. Always took the Lamborghini engines if I could, too :D

Brilliant game, apart from Villenueve being called Newhouse :lol:
 
Brad said:
Can't remember whether it was the original or 2 I liked to play

You got a source for where you got it from?
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Grand Prix Manager 2

The two Grand Prix Managers came out less than a year apart, it's just that the second one had a slightly more professional and slicker interface, plus the pre-game editor had more umph.

I think there's still a community of people out there who still make updates - I downloaded a 2008 mod for it when I downloaded it, but as I said it was too shite for me to tolerate without ruining my childhood memories of it.
 
Brad said:
Cheers mate, I'm gunna risk it and play again

What is it about it that you thinks shit now, when we all thought it was ace at the time?
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I don't know, I couldn't quite grasp it. I think it just felt a little bit too "on rails" and the race experience was actually awful after you've played modern games. You don't really get a feel for what's going on, though of course at the time we didn't know any better and it was therefore amazing.
 
Brad said:
I can't get it to work? I download it fine, I export the rar file, and I select the GPM2 application file, and it gives me an error message? There something I'm missing?
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Have you installed the other teams intellectual property? :nervous:
 
Brad said:
Well if you're saying they all drove their opponents off the track, that isn't true

If it's cheating behind the scenes... who knows. Anyone used to play Grand Prix Manager? That used to give you the option of basically doing what McClaren got done for, stealing parts and designs off your rivals! Ahead of its time (or perhaps of its time) that game
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You mean 50 years behind the times.
 
CD where the hell are you, I can't get the bloody thing working!

While I'm here...

Piquet - I told FIA last year

Three-times champion says he first made allegations in November

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Sky Sports | Formula 1 | News | Piquet - I told FIA last year

Nelson Piquet Sr. has revealed that he first informed the FIA of Renault's race-fixing at last year's Singapore Grand Prix just weeks after the event had allegedly taken place.

The three-times world champion claimed he told the FIA's race director Charlie Whiting about the incident at the Brazilian Grand Prix in November last year.

"When this thing happened in Singapore I couldn't believe it. I'd done motor racing for all my life," the Daily Mirror quoted Piquet as having told a private investigator for Quest, whom the FIA have employed to look into the allegation.

"I couldn't believe this thing. And after I called Nelson and Nelson said yes they asked me if I could help and this and that.

"I said 'but you could have hurt yourself and if you didn't hurt yourself you could have hurt somebody else' and he said 'yeah, I know it's wrong' but anyway.

"Anyway in Brazil I talk to Charlie.

"I got him and I said 'look, what could happen to Nelson if I bring this up?' And I was afraid to screw up the career of Nelson."
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Meanwhile, Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera, also carried extracts of the transcripts with Quest in which Piquet Sr. says he spoke with Max Mosley.

According to Piquet Sr, when he approached Mosley, the FIA president said: "Charlie has already informed me but we can't prove anything unless someone comes to tell me the facts."

In the event, Piquet Sr. approached the FIA once again after his son was sacked by Renault at the end of July following a string of poor results.

Piquet Jr. on this occasion provided a statement in which he alleged that Renault team principal Flavio Briatore and executive director of engineering Pat Symonds asked him to crash in order to boost the chances of team-mate Fernando Alonso.

The Spaniard won the race from 15th place on the grid after taking advantage of a safety car brought about by Piquet Jr's shunt.

Piquet Jr's allegations set in motion the chain of events which have brought the departures of both Briatore and Symonds from the team, with Renault themselves appearing before the FIA's World Motor Sport Council on Monday.

The team have said they will not dispute the allegation.
 
marchi-91 said:
What a lot of bollocks, are people taking Briatore and Symonds axing as a sign of guilt.

Put it simply, they left to get rid of this BS. By leaving they protect some integrity of Renault f1, and stop any more probes in to the team. This is well and truly, only the tip of the ice burg, and Flav and Pat took a bullet.

In any court in an adversarial system, Piquet would not have a leg to stand on. That radio transcript proves nothing in his favor.

Calling the team cheats is harsh and slightly unfair. What the Piquet's have done however, is well and truly destroyed their reputation, and Nelsons career. A lot of doors will be closed on their faces with full force and I don't blame them.

Good riddance to a whinger and his useless son!
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Dear god man. :wenger:

Cant see Piquet geting an F1 drive any time soon though
 
Rumours coming from 'sources in the FIA' that Renault have been given a 2 year suspended sentence, no ban or fine - not confirmed yet but if true that is farcically light in my opinion.
 
At an extraordinary meeting of the World Motor Sport Council held in Paris on 21 September 2009, the ING Renault F1 team (“Renault F1”) admitted that the team had conspired with its driver Nelson Piquet Jr. to cause a deliberate crash at the 2008 Singapore Grand Prix, in breach of the International Sporting Code and F1 Sporting Regulations.

Renault F1 stated at the meeting that it had conducted a detailed internal investigation, which found that: (i) Flavio Briatore, Pat Symonds and Nelson Piquet Jr. had conspired to cause the crash; and (ii) no other team member was involved in the conspiracy.

The FIA has conducted its own detailed investigation and its findings correspond with those of Renault F1.

At the meeting of the World Motor Sport Council, Renault F1 made the following points in mitigation:

- it had accepted, at the earliest practicable opportunity, that it committed the offences with which it was charged and cooperated fully with the FIA’s investigation;
- it had confirmed that Mr. Briatore and Mr. Symonds were involved in the conspiracy and ensured that they left the team;
- it apologised unreservedly to the FIA and to the sport for the harm caused by its actions;
- it committed to paying the costs incurred by the FIA in its investigation; and
- Renault (the parent company, as opposed to Renault F1) committed to making a significant contribution to FIA safety-related projects.

Nelson Piquet Jr. also apologised unreservedly to the World Motor Sport Council for his part in the conspiracy.

The following decision was taken:

The World Motor Sport Council finds that Renault F1 team members Flavio Briatore, Pat Symonds and Nelson Piquet Jr. conspired to cause a deliberate crash at the 2008 Singapore Grand Prix. The World Motor Sport Council therefore finds Renault F1, which, under article 123 of the International Sporting Code, is responsible for the actions of its employees, in breach of Articles 151(c) and point 2(c) of Chapter IV of Appendix L of the Code, and Articles 3.2, 30.3 and/or 39.1 of the Formula One Sporting Regulations.

The World Motor Sport Council considers Renault F1’s breaches relating to the 2008 Singapore Grand Prix to be of unparalleled severity. Renault F1’s breaches not only compromised the integrity of the sport but also endangered the lives of spectators, officials, other competitors and Nelson Piquet Jr. himself. The World Motor Sport Council considers that offences of this severity merit permanent disqualification from the FIA Formula One World Championship. However, having regard to the points in mitigation mentioned above and in particular the steps taken by Renault F1 to identify and address the failings within its team and condemn the actions of the individuals involved, the WMSC has decided to suspend Renault F1’s disqualification until the end of the 2011 season. The World Motor Sport Council will only activate this disqualification if Renault F1 is found guilty of a comparable breach during that time.

In addition the World Motor Sport Council notes Renault F1’s apology and agrees that the team should pay the costs of the investigation. It also accepts the offer of a significant contribution to the FIA’s safety work.

As regards Mr. Briatore, the World Motor Sport Council declares that, for an unlimited period, the FIA does not intend to sanction any International Event, Championship, Cup, Trophy, Challenge or Series involving Mr. Briatore in any capacity whatsoever, or grant any license to any Team or other entity engaging Mr. Briatore in any capacity whatsoever. It also hereby instructs all officials present at FIA-sanctioned events not to permit Mr. Briatore access to any areas under the FIA’s jurisdiction. Furthermore, it does not intend to renew any Superlicence granted to any driver who is associated (through a management contract or otherwise) with Mr. Briatore, or any entity or individual associated with Mr. Briatore. In determining that such instructions should be applicable for an unlimited period, the World Motor Sport Council has had regard not only to the severity of the breach in which Mr. Briatore was complicit but also to his actions in continuing to deny his participation in the breach despite all the evidence.

As regards Mr. Symonds, the World Motor Sport Council declares that, for a period of five years, the FIA does not intend to sanction any International Event, Championship, Cup, Trophy, Challenge or Series involving Mr. Symonds in any capacity whatsoever, or grant any license to any Team or other entity engaging Mr. Symonds in any capacity whatsoever. It hereby instructs, for a period of five years, all officials present at FIA-sanctioned events not to permit Mr. Symonds access to any areas under the FIA’s jurisdiction. In determining that such instructions should be effective for a period of five years the World Motor Sport Council has had regard: (i) to Mr. Symonds’ acceptance that he took part in the conspiracy; and (ii) to his communication to the meeting of the World Motor Sport Council that it was to his “eternal regret and shame” that he participated in the conspiracy.

As regards Mr. Piquet Jr., the World Motor Sport Council confirms the immunity from individual sanctions under the International Sporting Code in relation to this incident, which the FIA had granted to him in exchange for volunteering his evidence.

As regards Fernando Alonso, the World Motor Sport Council thanks him for cooperating with the FIA’s enquiries and for attending the meeting, and concludes that Mr. Alonso was not in any way involved in Renault F1’s breach of the regulations.

The World Motor Sport Council would like to thank the Stewards and legal investigation team (in particular Dorothy Cory-Wright of Sidley Austin LLP who conducted the interviews at the Belgian Grand Prix).

The full reasons for this decision, in addition to a complete recording of the proceedings before the World Motor Sport Council, will be made available shortly.
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Confirmed permanent ban suspended for 2 years - so unless they do it again they get away scot free.

Flavio banned for life and Symonds for 5 years. Total farce.

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So as expected, Briatore and Symonds take the heat to save the parent company. Doubt we will see Symonds back now anyway, hes the new Nigel Stepney.
 
Absolute fecking joke.

If this had been McLaren, they'd have been banned for five years and fined another hundred million dollars.

Even with Renault, if this had happened three years ago we might have seen a different result, but because they're absolutely shitting themselves over the possibility of the manufacturers pulling out, they've been obscenely lenient. What are the chances of Renault doing something similar and thus incurring that ban? Nil, nada, none. They've got away absolutely scot fecking free.
 
Unbelievable

2 year suspended sentence? a laughable let off if i ever heard one. I thought what Renault have done was worse than what McLaren did? you'd swear they just pick a punishment out of the hat.

I realised they wouldn't have completely banned Renault as that would be the loss of another manufacturer but thats just ridiculous
 
I think the main difference between this case and the McLaren one is that McLaren lied their way through the first hearings, whereas Renault fessed up straight away and got rid of the culprits.

Still a frigging ridiculous 'punishment' though.
 
Interesting theory regarding the punishment and the thought that Spanky really just wanted rid of Flav:

The GP2 serious is owned and run by 'GP2 Motorsports', a company which Ecclestone and Briatore own together. All GP2 races with the exception of the Portugal race hosted last weekend are run as a support race on a Formula 1 weekend, with FIA scrutineers and marshals overseeing the events, and the paddock area containing GP2 teams trucks etc.

GP2's official site states "The series also benefits from close ties to the FIA, the governing body of world motorsport, and FOM: the FIA scrutineer the cars and oversee the running of all GP2 events, while FOM's unparalleled expertise in the broadcasting and marketing of the GP2 Series has ensured that it has truly global reach and appeal."

Now, the WMSC's decision as shown in my earlier post states - "As regards Mr. Briatore, the World Motor Sport Council declares that, for an unlimited period, the FIA does not intend to sanction any International Event, Championship, Cup, Trophy, Challenge or Series involving Mr. Briatore in any capacity whatsoever" ... "It also hereby instructs all officials present at FIA-sanctioned events not to permit Mr. Briatore access to any areas under the FIA’s jurisdiction.

So either GP2 sever all ties with Briatore or they are going to have to replace the scrutineers, marshals, medical staff, stewards etc and he won't be able to attend any of his own series events.

Now bear in mind Spanky and the FIA have been advocating replacing GP2 with F2 for a while now - do we detect a hidden agenda?!
 
R_Nick said:
Interesting theory regarding the punishment and the thought that Spanky really just wanted rid of Flav:

The GP2 serious is owned and run by 'GP2 Motorsports', a company which Ecclestone and Briatore own together. All GP2 races with the exception of the Portugal race hosted last weekend are run as a support race on a Formula 1 weekend, with FIA scrutineers and marshals overseeing the events, and the paddock area containing GP2 teams trucks etc.

GP2's official site states "The series also benefits from close ties to the FIA, the governing body of world motorsport, and FOM: the FIA scrutineer the cars and oversee the running of all GP2 events, while FOM's unparalleled expertise in the broadcasting and marketing of the GP2 Series has ensured that it has truly global reach and appeal."

Now, the WMSC's decision as shown in my earlier post states - "As regards Mr. Briatore, the World Motor Sport Council declares that, for an unlimited period, the FIA does not intend to sanction any International Event, Championship, Cup, Trophy, Challenge or Series involving Mr. Briatore in any capacity whatsoever" ... "It also hereby instructs all officials present at FIA-sanctioned events not to permit Mr. Briatore access to any areas under the FIA’s jurisdiction.

So either GP2 sever all ties with Briatore or they are going to have to replace the scrutineers, marshals, medical staff, stewards etc and he won't be able to attend any of his own series events.

Now bear in mind Spanky and the FIA have been advocating replacing GP2 with F2 for a while now - do we detect a hidden agenda?!
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They've been desperate to replace GP2 for a while, yeh, so whilst I doubt this was their intention, I wouldn't be surprised if they used it to their advangtage to kick GP2 off the weekend.

Formula 2 currently supports the World Touring Cars, doesn't it? My dad watches all the racing he can find, which includes both F2 and GP2, so I get to see both series. It's not even funny how much better GP2 is.
 
R_Nick said:
I think the main difference between this case and the McLaren one is that McLaren lied their way through the first hearings, whereas Renault fessed up straight away and got rid of the culprits.

Still a frigging ridiculous 'punishment' though.
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The Mclaren spygate and this incident are not even comparable. Mclaren deserved their punishment and got away with it more than Renault have done.

What Mclaren did is like illegally tapping up an opposition player whereas what Renault did is like encouraging their player to dive in one game at an opportunistic moment. It's all cheating but the scale is totally different.
 
Instant Karma said:
The Mclaren spygate and this incident are not even comparable. Mclaren deserved their punishment and got away with it more than Renault have done.

What Mclaren did is like illegally tapping up an opposition player whereas what Renault did is like encouraging their player to dive in one game at an opportunistic moment. It's all cheating but the scale is totally different.
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Eh what are you on about - talking analogies - what Renault have done is not 'dive' - they've instigated one of their own fking team to take out half the opposition and allow the rest of their own side to walk through and win unopposed

How on God's earth do you manage to see it any other way than that ??

They've 'bent' a race result.
They've endangered life and limb of drivers and spectators as a result

Renault Bria Sym and Piquet should not be allowed within a planets length of a race track for life - for fking ever
 
Count Duckula said:
They've been desperate to replace GP2 for a while, yeh, so whilst I doubt this was their intention, I wouldn't be surprised if they used it to their advangtage to kick GP2 off the weekend.

Formula 2 currently supports the World Touring Cars, doesn't it? My dad watches all the racing he can find, which includes both F2 and GP2, so I get to see both series. It's not even funny how much better GP2 is.
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I'm not sure where F2 fits in to be perfectly honest, I've never seen it. I know GP2 is brilliant though, I hadn't seen a great deal of it before I went to Monza 07 and there was far more actual racing going on in the GP2 than the F1 - I've got a great photo of 4 cars going down the pit straight within inches of each other.

I agree with you that the above theory would not have been the initial intention of the FIA, its just something I read elsewhere and thought would share, but I can definitely see Max using it to his advantage.

Instant Karma said:
The Mclaren spygate and this incident are not even comparable. Mclaren deserved their punishment and got away with it more than Renault have done.

What Mclaren did is like illegally tapping up an opposition player whereas what Renault did is like encouraging their player to dive in one game at an opportunistic moment. It's all cheating but the scale is totally different.
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What they actually did cannot be directly compared because the acts were so different but I don't think its right to suggest that what McLaren did was not as bad as Renaults infringement.

McLaren's accepting and using Ferrari IP was a huge deal obviously, but what made their case so much worse than it would have been is that they lied about it for so long, with Mr Integrity denying the depth of the teams involvement over and over again which later turned out to be untrue.

Renaults act of intentionally crashing to fix the outcome of the race is worse in my opinion, not just from a sporting point of view but for the fact that they knowingly and willingly put peoples lives in danger.

Unfortunately the FIA's decision to go easy on McLaren after 'liegate' because they released Ryan and Dennis has set a precedent and that has been used in this case - Renault essentially get away with it because Flav and Pat have left the team, and Pat's ban is 'only' 5 years because he fessed up.
 
Instant Karma said:
The Mclaren spygate and this incident are not even comparable. Mclaren deserved their punishment and got away with it more than Renault have done.

What Mclaren did is like illegally tapping up an opposition player whereas what Renault did is like encouraging their player to dive in one game at an opportunistic moment. It's all cheating but the scale is totally different.
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:nono:

Renault put lives at risk, this should be obvious considering the serious incidents lately involving debris on the track.
 
Raikkonen Ferrari future in doubt

Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo says Kimi Raikkonen is not guaranteed to drive for the team next season.

Di Montezemolo said the team would retain Felipe Massa, who is recovering from a fractured skull sustained in a crash at the Hungarian Grand Prix.

He added: "Otherwise, we are mulling the best choice but we still have time. We will decide in a few weeks."

It is widely believed in Formula 1 that Ferrari have already agreed a deal for Fernando Alonso to join them in 2010.

Both Raikkonen and Massa are under contract to Ferrari for next year, but the Italian team have been looking at ways of moving the Finn on to another team.

Massa is recovering at home in Brazil and Ferrari are planning on the basis that he will be fit to return for the start of next season.

Montezemolo said: "We will have a Brazilian driver (Massa) because he deserves another chance given that, thank God, he is fine."

More follows.

BBC SPORT | Motorsport | Formula 1 | Raikkonen Ferrari future in doubt
 
2 weeks ago he said they have Raikkonen for next year.

LDM loves to play with the media, I'll believe it when something concrete is said.
 
Bad move by Ferrari imo, Raikonnen is by far a better driver than Massa. A pairing of Raikonnen & Alonso and in a good enough car would of given them the best chance of titles.
 
Seriously that is bullshit, seeming as GP racing has been going on there since the 1920's how the feck can people complain about the noise when its been there long before them. It's a tragedy if we lose that place because of a few old twats.
 
Same thing happened at Croft didn't it, makes you sick that these twats can get their own way.

Buy a house next to a historic race track. Decide you don't like the noise, complain to the government, get the track shut down.

How about "feck off".
 
Leg-End said:
Seriously that is bullshit, seeming as GP racing has been going on there since the 1920's how the feck can people complain about the noise when its been there long before them. It's a tragedy if we lose that place because of a few old twats.
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and its only 4 days a year not like its every weekend.
 
The full operating license has been suspended, its not just the F1, they can't run anything there now.

No testing, no other series, nothing.
 
Exactly, obviously they have other forms of racing like GT events etc but they way they are going on its like they are living next door to an airport. If they are that bothered I will gladly swap my place for theirs, without hesitance.
 
I could understand if these wankers had lived somewhere for years and then a circuit was built next door. But they moved in to newly built houses next to an established and historic race track.

I'd sell my left nut to live in one of those houses :mad:
 
R_Nick said:
Same thing happened at Croft didn't it, makes you sick that these twats can get their own way.

Buy a house next to a historic race track. Decide you don't like the noise, complain to the government, get the track shut down.

How about "feck off".
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Well said, i cant get my head around it.
 
BBC SPORT | Motorsport | Formula 1 | Schumacher tips Button for title

Seven-time Formula 1 world champion Michael Schumacher says the world title is Jenson Button's to lose this season.

With four races to go and 40 points up for grabs, Button leads Brawn team-mate Rubens Barrichello by 14 points, with Red Bull's Sebastian Vettel in third.

"Looking at the situation, I'd pretty much expect Jenson to fix the title," Schumacher told BBC Sport.

"It's very hard to take it away, particularly knowing the problems and reliability issues Red Bull have had."

Who here reckons he's on about driving into Rubens a few times? :smirk:
 
Brad said:
BBC SPORT | Motorsport | Formula 1 | Schumacher tips Button for title

Seven-time Formula 1 world champion Michael Schumacher says the world title is Jenson Button's to lose this season.

With four races to go and 40 points up for grabs, Button leads Brawn team-mate Rubens Barrichello by 14 points, with Red Bull's Sebastian Vettel in third.

"Looking at the situation, I'd pretty much expect Jenson to fix the title," Schumacher told BBC Sport.

"It's very hard to take it away, particularly knowing the problems and reliability issues Red Bull have had."

Who here reckons he's on about driving into Rubens a few times? :smirk:
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Who thinks your being a wanker....

And I think Prost would know more about driving in to team mates to win the title then Schumacher.
 
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