The F1 Thread 2009 Season

Besides the point Schumachers cheating is actually much more dangerous

I think folk forget how dangerous F1 can be sometimes. You'd think the events of the last couple of weeks would have reminded them

When you're deliberately driving into people at high speeds, you shouldn't be on the fecking road, however talented you are

I don't think anyone doubts how good Michael is. The question is, why the feck?!

With Hill that was his first championship. He wasn't yet the winner he became, albeit he already had the reputation for being a great driver. I remember watching the race he was stuck in one gear and still managed to bring it home in 2nd. In fact without that, taking Hill off would have been futile. I have a grudging admiration for him, and yet he's a serial cheat. Does my head in
 
As a person I'm quite warming to Schumacher since he's left because he seems a nice guy, and I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do back in the car.

But I can never look upon his career without remembering the ridiculous cheating he attempted (and in some cases got away with). He was even doing it in his last season, remember the Alonso block?

Poor old Damon Hill.
 
Count Duckula said:
As a person I'm quite warming to Schumacher since he's left because he seems a nice guy, and I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do back in the car.

But I can never look upon his career without remembering the ridiculous cheating he attempted (and in some cases got away with). He was even doing it in his last season, remember the Alonso block?

Poor old Damon Hill.
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was it monaco where he just stopped so he would be on pole? he was unsporting for someone as good as he was
 
phelans shorts said:
was it monaco where he just stopped so he would be on pole? he was unsporting for someone as good as he was
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Yeah he claimed his wheels locked up, race stewards put him to the back of the grid.

Great driver at times, but overshadowed a lot by his controversies.
 
Brad said:
Besides the point Schumachers cheating is actually much more dangerous

I think folk forget how dangerous F1 can be sometimes. You'd think the events of the last couple of weeks would have reminded them

When you're deliberately driving into people at high speeds, you shouldn't be on the fecking road, however talented you are

I don't think anyone doubts how good Michael is. The question is, why the feck?!

With Hill that was his first championship. He wasn't yet the winner he became, albeit he already had the reputation for being a great driver. I remember watching the race he was stuck in one gear and still managed to bring it home in 2nd. In fact without that, taking Hill off would have been futile. I have a grudging admiration for him, and yet he's a serial cheat. Does my head in
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What does my head in is the hypocrisy of you.

If you want to start talking about serial cheats, how about you look at the man you so admire? What is it? 3 years and in those 3 years, the Hamilton/ McLaren association has been reprimanded for cheating........

Of course if we were going to talk about drivers knocking each other off the road, how about we look at Monza last year in the wet where your precious Hamilton put Timmo Glock on to the grass at near on 250kmh. You crap on about deliberately driving in to competitors, but Michael's move, 'the only one that was intentional' was in a slow speed hair pin, not on a straight.

But I guess because Hamilton's British its acceptable?


At JoPub. What a load of crap. The only Schumacher title that was remotely tainted was 94. The rest were superior driving and only fools would downplay those due to his "incidents" in which he had two that really were accidents.

And I'd be weary about using Jackie Stewart as a reference as I found out yesterday when I mentioned it to an old f1 journo after I made those comments. Like Blatter he has a history of changing his opinion to suit the audience he's appealing to. He stated at the Monaco incident in 06, that Michael had made a mistake and used it to his advantage, and then later 'after the penalties' claimed that Michael had blatantly worked outside the spirit of the rules.


I suggest putting this to rest.

We'll never agree. Me you brad or anybody else. You either loved him or hated him. Even as a Schumacher fan I can see he had cringe moments, but his incredible moments for me override those incidents.

He's like Ronaldo. An enigma. Love or hate, but you cannot discredit what he's achieved when only two moments really scarred his career.

For me personally its.
Hungary 98 > Adelaide 94
Imola 03 = Jerez 97
Brazil 06. > Monaco 06



In the end time will look far more kindly on Schumacher then it does in the present. Like the incidents between Senna and Prost, they pale in significance to the undeniable success that they all achieved.




I respect your reply :). Its better then people that make the pathetic one liner saying it was the car.
 
marchi-91 said:
:wenger: I never said he didn't drive well.... Being a Michael Schumacher fan, I know full well that it takes more then a good car to make a good driver. Rubens Barrichello is testament to that.

I should have rewrote that to say, walked in to a car capable of winning multiple races.
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So you can appreciate that Hamilton actually is a talented driver? Not just someone who walked into a car and that gave him the results?
 
marchi-91 said:
At JoPub. What a load of crap.
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:lol: I just love it when people try to re-write history to suit their own ends

Now that I've demolished your original post you've started back tracking like a bastard

marchi-91 said:
The only Schumacher title that was remotely tainted was 94.
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Oh now you admit it was tainted (changed yr fking tune there then) - why's that then?

marchi-91 said:
The rest were superior driving and only fools would downplay those due to his "incidents" in which he had two that really were accidents.
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only "fools" would ignore his serial proven cheating to win titles

marchi-91 said:
And I'd be weary about using Jackie Stewart as a reference
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Well you wer'nt "weary" about Jackie Stewart before I illustrated how he thinks Schumacher is a cheating cvnt and no matter how good can never be deemed a great because of that fact

marchi-91 said:
We'll never agree. Me you brad or anybody else. You either loved him or hated him. Even as a Schumacher fan I can see he had cringe moments, but his incredible moments for me override those incidents.

He's like Ronaldo. An enigma. Love or hate, but you cannot discredit what he's achieved when only two moments really scarred his career.

For me personally its.
Hungary 98 > Adelaide 94
Imola 03 = Jerez 97
Brazil 06. > Monaco 06
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Well with each post you seem to be admitting there are more 'moments' - about twenty lines up you said "tainted 94" four lines up you said "two" and now there's "6"

fsakes make yr mind up :lol:

marchi-91 said:
In the end time will look far more kindly on Schumacher then it does in the present. Like the incidents between Senna and Prost, they pale in significance to the undeniable success that they all achieved.
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No apart from a few isolated stars in their eyes Ferrari and Schumacher groupies the rest of the world despises him and his cheating and no-one will ever forget it - ever

And Brads point is very salient - Schumacher was prepared to compromise the safety of fellow drivers in his obsession to win at all costs - what does that make him then on top of all the cheating ? :wenger: - about the biggest low life scum that ever sat in a racing car

Mate leave it - if I were you I'd consider myself completely and utterly destroyed in this debate
 
Jopub said:
:lol: I just love it when people try to re-write history to suit their own ends

Now that I've demolished your original post you've started back tracking like a bastard



Oh now you admit it was tainted (changed yr fking tune there then) - why's that then?



only "fools" would ignore his serial proven cheating to win titles



Well you wer'nt "weary" about Jackie Stewart before I illustrated how he thinks Schumacher is a cheating cvnt and no matter how good can never be deemed a great because of that fact



Well with each post you seem to be admitting there are more 'moments' - about twenty lines up you said "tainted 94" four lines up you said "two" and now there's "6"

fsakes make yr mind up :lol:



No apart from a few isolated stars in their eyes Ferrari and Schumacher groupies the rest of the world despises him and his cheating and no-one will ever forget it - ever

And Brads point is very salient - Schumacher was prepared to compromise the safety of fellow drivers in his obsession to win at all costs - what does that make him then on top of all the cheating ? :wenger: - about the biggest low life scum that ever sat in a racing car

Mate leave it - if I were you I'd consider myself completely and utterly destroyed in this debate
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I wouldn't. Not when I put up with biased bull shit like that. Schumacher is not the first and not the last whom was prepared to compromise safety just look at precious Hamilton. Your just another fecking bitter who had to put up with somebody you didn't like whom wasn't content with 2nd best and didn't want anybody else to win. Tell me, did you have a problem with Senna admitting as much on the podium in Adelaide in 93 to Prost?

Tell me anywhere else Michael cheated in his titles? Rule bending yes, cheating, don't make me laugh. Big difference.

94. Outrageous penalties in favor of Williams forced Michael to take it to the final race. Something that should never of happened if not for the ineptness of the F.I.A.. Not fair for Damon, but with the shit Michael had to deal with it was just for Schumacher's cause.
95. Wins the title comprehensively.

00. Win the title in an inferior car through brilliant driving.
01. Start of Ferrari domination. Nobody had a chance.
02. Finished every single lap of every gp in the season on the podium. DESTROYED the opposition. Given a win that he didn't request, but gave two back at Hungary and Indinappolis
03. Won the season through grit & determination. Racing at Imola even after the death of his mother. Ferrari ended up using a card they had up their sleeve forcing the Michelin to build new moulds for tyres that had been illegal since Monaco 2001.
04. Domination never seen and probably ever will be again. Mightn't have been beaten in the first 12 races if not for ineptness on the part of Montoya


Michael is a champion because he took it to levels nobody else dared. He is miles ahead of any driver EVER and will be remember for that. Not by a bunch of bitter Brits who can't comprehend the enormity of what he achieved rather focus on his flaws. Both Senna and Prost are guilty of what Michael did in 97, the difference being Michael's didn't pay off.

Well with each post you seem to be admitting there are more 'moments' - about twenty lines up you said "tainted 94" four lines up you said "two" and now there's "6"

fsakes make yr mind up
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:wenger: do you even watch f1. They were moments of absolute quality, not errors.

Hungary in 98, where Michael performed a stint of qualifying laps to win the race. Overrides Adelaide.
Imola 03. Michael and Ralf race after the death of their mother. Pure grit and determination and wins. Crying on the podium. You can't forgive Jerez, but he pretty much made up for it.
Brazil 06. Ballsiest drive of the season and one not seen since. Drives from almost a lap down to 4th place and within 20 seconds of the eventual winner Felipe Massa. Out shines the moment of madness at Monaco and just proved to all why he will be remember as the very best.
 
Jopub said:
...and so I'm content with my view about him and it's shared by %90 of the rest of the world
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Then you really are a delusional twat. Michael is back because Ferrari and f1 need him. He will pack out the remaining 7 races because he is Michael Schumacher, not because 90% of the world share JoPub's opinion :wenger:. People want to see the likes of Hamilton and Alonso race Michael because he's still the benchmark. Michael left f1 making everybody wonder. He was still the top driver in f1, but he was aging.


So how do you and Brad feel supporting a cheat now then? Because thats what the F.I.A. have adjudged Hamilton to be...
 
marchi-91 said:
Then you really are a delusional twat. Michael is back because Ferrari and f1 need him. He will pack out the remaining 7 races because he is Michael Schumacher, not because 90% of the world share JoPub's opinion :wenger:. People want to see the likes of Hamilton and Alonso race Michael because he's still the benchmark. Michael left f1 making everybody wonder. He was still the top driver in f1, but he was aging.


So how do you and Brad feel supporting a cheat now then? Because thats what the F.I.A. have adjudged Hamilton to be...
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:wenger:

Listen - any one that's cheated has got to be questioned nomatter who they are - Hamilton's not exempt

But you've got to understand that the biggest of them all is your hero 'ol Schuey - the only thing he has'nt been known to do is knifing other teams tyres at the dead of night

still I s'pose he might consider that now :lol:

of course you'd call that 'commitment' or 'passion' or 'hunger'

you're deluded mate
 
Jopub said:
The only thing he has'nt been known to do is knifing other teams tyres at the dead of night.
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Care to elaborate or just spout more BS on his so called instances of cheating.

All you seem to come up with is Monaco, Adelaide and Jerez. Change the fecking record.

Monaco he made a mistake and took advantage of it. Jerez, both Senna and Prost have done the same thing and Adelaide wasn't a mistake on Hill's part then Schumacher hitting him.
 
What Hamilton did was stupid earlier this season. He should never have gone along with the lie, albeit when your teams sporting director tells you to do it, I can see why it happened. It was hardly well executed, Hamilton had already told the TV's camera's exactly what had happened straight after the race. Ryan is sacked and Hamilton is left to look a bit of a mug. It's a world away from risking the safety of other drivers on the race track in order to cheat
 
We got it that jopub and brad aren't fans of the Great One but these drama queen outbursts are worthy of rawk's conspiracy theories regarding FA fixing the PL in United's favour.
 
marchi-91 said:
Care to elaborate or just spout more BS on his so called instances of cheating.

All you seem to come up with is Monaco, Adelaide and Jerez. Change the fecking record.

Monaco he made a mistake and took advantage of it. Jerez, both Senna and Prost have done the same thing and Adelaide wasn't a mistake on Hill's part then Schumacher hitting him.
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plonker

you're wasting yours and everyone else's time

The world all knows about Schumacher
 
FreakyJim said:
We got it that jopub and brad aren't fans of the Great One but these drama queen outbursts are worthy of rawk's conspiracy theories regarding FA fixing the PL in United's favour.
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right okay then lets just have people inventing wtf they like about anything then and if the rest of us know that to be false, we'll keep quiet about it - right

fking wrong

why should some 'made up history' become fact just cos some fukcwit loves Michael Schumacher

The mans a serial cheat

The man put other lives at risk becasue of his cheating

This is supported by illustrious past legends

these are not conspiracy theories

THAT is the truth so I'll fkinwell say it
 
Brad said:
What Hamilton did was stupid earlier this season. He should never have gone along with the lie, albeit when your teams sporting director tells you to do it, I can see why it happened. It was hardly well executed, Hamilton had already told the TV's camera's exactly what had happened straight after the race. Ryan is sacked and Hamilton is left to look a bit of a mug. It's a world away from risking the safety of other drivers on the race track in order to cheat
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Orly?
 
Seen as this is Marchi's favourite smiley, its funny that it suits him so well. :wenger:


Schumacher was a great driver, one of the all time greats, but youve got to admit he was a cheat aswell.
 
GloryHunter07 said:
Seen as this is Marchi's favourite smiley, its funny that it suits him so well. :wenger:


Schumacher was a great driver, one of the all time greats, but youve got to admit he was a cheat aswell.
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I've never said that he didn't have moments of question namely being Monaco and Jerez, but claiming that he "cheated" his entire career is an absolute load of bollocks and yet Jo Pub claims me to be rewriting history.
 
marchi-91 said:
Im sorry, but your going to blame schumacher for "cheating by driving driver's off the track, yet your blinded by your own bias, when your precious Hamilton drives a fellow competitor on to the Grass at upwards of 250kmh in the rain. Talk about hypocrisy.
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:lol: Good grief! That's racing you pillock!!! He had position and the racing line, it was on Glock to back off and he did. You want to outlaw overtaking now? He tried a move on the outside and didn't have the space so took in some grass and backed off. Entirely legitimate racing

How the hell can you compare that to Schumacher twice intentionally driving into fellow competitors to take them out of the race?

You just haven't got a clue mate, sorry
 
Brad said:
:lol: Good grief! That's racing you pillock!!! He had position and the racing line, it was on Trulli to back off and he did. You want to outlaw overtaking now? He tried a move on the outside and didn't have the space so took in some grass and backed off. Entirely legitimate racing

How the hell can you compare that to Schumacher twice intentionally driving into fellow competitors to take them out of the race?

You just haven't got a clue mate, sorry
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:wenger: Thats all I can say about your reply. Take the fecking glasses off, nothing ligit about that in those circumstances. Lewis cut across Glock forcing him on to the grass. If you honestly think that any driver would drive on to the grass in those conditions on purpose without trying to avoid a larger accident, then you have no clue. It would be lunacy.


& so by Brad's logic, Michael was completely entitle to take his line at Adelaide 94 "as thats racing™" hence forth admitting that Hill didn't have the common sense to back off.
 
marchi-91 said:
:wenger: Thats all I can say about your reply. Take the fecking glasses off. Even ted Kravitz said that it was shabby pass. Lewis cut across Glock forcing him on to the grass. If you honestly think that any driver would drive on to the grass in those conditions on purpose without trying to avoid a larger accident, then you have no clue. It would be lunacy.
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It wasn't a pass you dick, Hamilton was ahead of him :wenger:

He defended his line as all drivers do

What a tit you're making yourself look
 
Brad said:
It wasn't a pass you dick, Hamilton was ahead of him :wenger:

He defended his line as all drivers do

What a tit you're making yourself look
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So Schumacher was defending his line at Adelaide 94.

Anther "thats racing™" quote from Brad. How the hell can you not see the hypocrisy of your posts. My god, and you think i'm making a tit of myself.


And wtf do you mean it wasn't a pass. It clearly shows Timo gaining on Hamilton out of the corner.
 
marchi-91 said:
:wenger: Thats all I can say about your reply. Take the fecking glasses off, nothing ligit about that in those circumstances. Lewis cut across Glock forcing him on to the grass. If you honestly think that any driver would drive on to the grass in those conditions on purpose without trying to avoid a larger accident, then you have no clue. It would be lunacy.
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http://www.wat.tv/video/gp-italie-2008-monza-bagarre-xx1m_vbhb_.html

How can it be a pass when its clear Hamilton was ahead of him?
 
marchi-91 said:
That just backs my claim up even more :wenger:. Glock was moving up on the outside and Hamilton shut the door forcing Glock on to the grass.
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Your claim was that it was a shabby pass by Hamilton. You only need to see the car in front of Hamilton to show that of course he was on the racing line, but you're insinuating that Hamilton shut the door on Glock - Glock was no where near in a position to overtake. It's a null & void claim for any 'foul' play that you're trying to portray in those scarlet glasses of yours.

You're clueless in trying to compare that incident with Schumachers. Schumacher knew full well that Hill was there & could of easily turned the corner wide, but actually crashing into him speaks more volumes about the intentions of him - he wasn't there to race, he was there to ensure he did anything possible to win, to the extent of taking his own car out for it.
 
marchi-91 said:
Im sorry, but your going to blame schumacher for "cheating by driving driver's off the track, yet your blinded by your own bias, when your precious Hamilton drives a fellow competitor on to the Grass at upwards of 250kmh in the rain. Talk about hypocrisy.
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This happens every weekend in F1.... its called racing. Interestingly ( i dont know) did hamilton get investigated and charged with anything for this "incident"?
 
F-Red said:
Your claim was that it was a shabby pass by Hamilton. You only need to see the car in front of Hamilton to show that of course he was on the racing line, but you're insinuating that Hamilton shut the door on Glock - Glock was no where near in a position to overtake. It's a null & void claim for any 'foul' play that you're trying to portray in those scarlet glasses of yours.

You're clueless in trying to compare that incident with Schumachers. Schumacher knew full well that Hill was there & could of easily turned the corner wide, but actually crashing into him speaks more volumes about the intentions of him - he wasn't there to race, he was there to ensure he did anything possible to win, to the extent of taking his own car out for it.
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It was indeed a shabby pass, he cut across Timo forcing him on to the grass at 250kmh. Glock was closing up on Hamilton as you can clearly see. He gets the better exit from the corner and draws along side only for Hamilton to drift wide and cut him off.

@ your second paragraph, Hamilton knew full well that Timo was along side, as Montoya said about Michael in 2004, you'd either be blind or stupid to not see him. Michael was completely entitle to take the racing line and Hill made an attempted pass while Michael was mid corner.



For you. On board with Schumacher Michael hits the apex as Hill tries to duck up the inside and beat him under breaks and slides in to him.
 
GloryHunter07 said:
This happens every weekend in F1.... its called racing. Interestingly ( i dont know) did hamilton get investigated and charged with anything for this "incident"?
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No, but neither was Schumacher for 94 so therefore it should be called as the F.I.A. stated, a racing incident. Its just bitter British f1 fans who can't get over the fact that Hill threw it away and they need a scape goat. Just the same in every football world cup they fail to win.
 
F-Red said:
Your claim was that it was a shabby pass by Hamilton. You only need to see the car in front of Hamilton to show that of course he was on the racing line, but you're insinuating that Hamilton shut the door on Glock - Glock was no where near in a position to overtake. It's a null & void claim for any 'foul' play that you're trying to portray in those scarlet glasses of yours.

You're clueless in trying to compare that incident with Schumachers. Schumacher knew full well that Hill was there & could of easily turned the corner wide, but actually crashing into him speaks more volumes about the intentions of him - he wasn't there to race, he was there to ensure he did anything possible to win, to the extent of taking his own car out for it.
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Precisely

Marchi you're making yourself look a dick here. You don't think Schumacher has shut the door on folk trying to overtake him like that a million times?

It's so entirely incomparable with Schumacher deliberately driving into a competitor with the intent of ending their race so he could win the World Championship. Twice

I'm glad with this nonsense anyone who thought you actually had a point or any credibility now knows otherwise
 
marchi-91 said:
No, but neither was Schumacher for 94 so therefore it should be called as the F.I.A. stated, a racing incident. Its just bitter British f1 fans who can't get over the fact that Hill threw it away and they need a scape goat. Just the same in every football world cup they fail to win.
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I didnt ask about schumacher did i...
 
Brad said:
Precisely

Marchi you're making yourself look a dick here. You don't think Schumacher has shut the door on folk trying to overtake him like that a million times?

It's so entirely incomparable with Schumacher deliberately driving into a competitor with the intent of ending their race so he could win the World Championship. Twice

I'm glad with this nonsense anyone who thought you actually had a point or any credibility now knows otherwise
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Says Brad with "Racing incident™".

You know what, i'm not going to even bother posting in here anymore. It's clear as fecking day this f1 forum is filled be delusional twats who think that Hamilton and any other Brit can do no fecking wrong. I'll let your enjoy your little slice of english paradise and go talk with real f1 fans.
 
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