The F1 Thread 2009 Season

R_Nick said:
That won't stop Hamliton fans declaring him officially better than Shumacher if he beats him though.
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That's probably the only downside to all of this. Everyone will expect so much out of him.

If there is one guy that can comeback though, its him. An amazing driver. It should really spice things up, especially as this grid is so close. I actually can't wait!
 
R_Nick said:
Not to mention he's 40 and has recently injured his neck.

That won't stop Hamliton fans declaring him officially better than Shumacher if he beats him though.
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Didn't Nigel Mansell you something simallar 15 years ago. Shumacher has been testing during winter over the last 3 years with Ferrari. I don't think he would have done it if he couldn't.

I don't think "Hamilton fans" will do that on here it will be just great to see them race each other.
 
What are the odds on Schumacher getting a top 5 spot ? If he gets the right car and a bit of luck I have no doubt he can do it.
 
Well theres 7 races left, and 5th in the WDC at the moment is tied on 22.5 points.

All the other drivers around that mark are going to continue to score points in the remaining races too, so I think its fairly unlikely that he'll get into the top 5. His main priority will be getting Ferrari as many WCC points as possible.
 
With Schumacher back, I might actually start watching some races. How are Ferrari doing? Can they realistic compete for winning races, or would they be fortunate to get a podium?

Sorry I know there are probably lots of variables.
 
Just when you though it couldn't get even more boring Mr Personality returns. Great :rolleyes:
 
This is awesome news for a number of reasons.

1. No matter what people say, Schumacher is the best driver F1 has had since Senna - Hamilton doesn't even get near Schumacher in terms of ability and skill. Having Schuey back means we get to see a great racer again, which is awesome!

2. It might make Ferrari competitive again. The season has been good so far with Brawn and Red Bull racing ahead of the rest of the field, McLaren improving of late, but Ferrari have been off the pace. A strong Ferrari team makes a massive difference to F1 (it just misses something without it IMO) so if Schuey can help that out, I'm all for it.

3. Formula One has had a lot of bad publicity of late with Ecclestone and Mosley being arrogant, opinionated idiots about the running of the sport. Schumacher's comeback will generate some positive publicity and huge excitement to see how he goes again.

4. Not everybody likes him because he drove on the edge, won so much, pushed the rules, etc. but their's just something about him that makes him worth watching. It's like Tiger Woods or Roger Federer - you just want to watch and enjoy the performance as these phenomenal athletes go for it. S
chumacher belongs in that club, and I know I'll be staying up to some stupid hour in the morning, in little old New Zealand, eager to see how he goes.

5. P.S. Can I just add that Hamilton is nowhere near as good as Schumacher?

The reason I say this is Schumacher went to Ferrari and made them good again - he turned their fortunes around after he went there in 1996 and made them the force they are today. Hamilton came into F1 into the best car on the grid (as the McLaren was back then) and won - wow, so amazing! He won in the best car. If he proves to me that he can develop the car and make it good, then I will admire him for that. So far this season he hasn't done it, although it's improving of late, so good on him for that.

For me though, Schumacher always the best!
 
I think it says a lot that you keep bringing up Hamilton when you talk about Schumacher

Hamilton is a young guy, and his driving ability shows he could be up there with Schumacher come the end of his career. He's already the youngest World Champion in the history of F1, winning the title in his 2nd season and very nearly in his debut. It took Schumacher 3 seasons, and even then he had to cheat to get that first one in the bag. A title he'd have had sown up long before if he hadn't deliberately ignored his black flag at the British GP. But anyway, we won't know about how Hamilton compares for at least a half decade or so at least yet

That's the issue with Schumacher. Undoubtedly brilliant and arguably the greatest of all time, but his career is littered with unsavoury on track incidents. When you're that good, why do you bother with all that shite?!
 
I find it all funny the very second Lewis gets a win and Schumacher comes back the Lewis hate comments are back.
 
Think this season has certainely showed that the drivers in F1 are so good that given a good/excellent car anyone can be the WDC. I mean we are in a situation now where a no-body like Button is leading the serie. Hamilton is failing to impress this year and comparing him the the 7 time WDC is premature by all accounts. Vettel might equally as well be the next Schumacher or as it looks now we will wait for another 10 - 15 years before we get one like Schumi again - if the serie still exists in that time..
 
Sigh

Button isn't a nobody, he's an excellent driver. Who's been stuck in shite uncompetitive teams for far too long before now. At any team he's been at, he's the only one to have won a race for them. This season, Barrichello also has the best car on the grid (at least earlier in the season), had more experience especially driving in top cars, and he doesn't have a race win to his name. Button has 6

What this season has shown is that there are many excellent drivers in F1

And Hamilton has been very impressive in an uncompetitive McClaren. And as soon as it's back up to competitiveness... bang race win

Really fecking pathetic some of the crap said about him
 
Brad said:
Really fecking pathetic some of the crap said about him
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It really is pathetic you should look around the Autosport forum its really bad there. You would think they would stop now that hes a world champ but now its the car that got him there which is abit ironic with most of them being Schumacher fans.
 
Rooney1987 said:
It really is pathetic you should look around the Autosport forum its really bad there. You would think they would stop now that hes a world champ but now its the car that got him there which is abit ironic with most of them being Schumacher fans.
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So Schumi won the for 2 different teams - first with a mediocre Benetton he turned excellent and then joined a shit Ferrari and turned them into a winning machine. There is a great difference to the other drivers of today here - they expect to be GIVEN an excellent car in order to win. Although this season has certainely showed that the impact of Ross Brawn when talking about Schumacher and his car developing skills has been significantly under-rated.
 
AhmedDimwitson said:
So Schumi won the for 2 different teams - first with a mediocre Benetton he turned excellent and then joined a shit Ferrari and turned them into a winning machine.
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Allot of that had to do with Ross Brawn anyway I don't hate Schumi I can't wait to see him drive.
 
Rooney1987 said:
So you missed last season.
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Yeah, part of it actually due to a secondment. Could not care less about F1 anymore due to the horseshit going on in the sport. There is no denying Hamilton is better than Kovalainen - there has always been mediocre drivers in F1 - this has nothing to do with the sport being all about the car. That the difference between Kovalainen and Hamilton is a mere 10 points at the moment sort of illustrates that.
 
And the car wasn't important in Schumachers era eh?!

And believe me, he came into a very competitive Benatton car. In 1992 only once did Schumacher finish outside the points when he finished the race. Brundle in the same team scored points or failed to finish
 
Schumacher developed the car - one of the key reasons they were so good. Today they sit around waiting to get a car. Anyways don't really know what the issue is. There are quite a few articles about Schumacher and his car development skills around - the man has 7 WDC's in 2 different teams. He is the greatest ever.

Why anyone would compare Hamilton with him at this point is ridiculous. Hamilton has 1 WDC and 19 points this season. He might equally as well end up as another Damon Hill. It is too early to tell.
 
How do you know how much / little input the drivers now are giving the teams?

You just admitted you barely watch it, and yet you seem to have the knowledge and expertise of a current insider. That or you're blagging of course

And it's a bit rich saying he might end up as 'another Damon Hill' who should of course be a two time champion had the German not cheated
 
Rooney1987 said:
Allot of that had to do with Ross Brawn anyway I don't hate Schumi I can't wait to see him drive.
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:lol:

Ross Brawn does not design cars. This is what is so laughable at this argument. Rory Bryne was the designer of the Ferrari's race winning cars, not Ross Brawn.

@ Brad. Your argument about Adelaide is a load of crap. You speak to any ex f1 driver 'Jackie Stewart, Lauda, Prost etc' and they all say that Damon made the mistake. If not for the pathetic which hunt on Schumacher and Bennetton to ignite the series after Senna's death he would have won it earlier.

Hamilton walked in to 'at the time' the best car on the grid. If your telling me that the 1992/93 Bennetton was that, then your kidding yourself.

As for Hamilton being competitive. Amazing that as soon as he gets a win that its "Hamilton has been impressive in a lesser car'..... Apart from his win he's shown none of the sort.

He's driven well this year, but never beyond the car. Thats what he's needed to do and he hasn't. He's like Mika and he's like Kimi. Good drivers, but never great.
 
My argument about Adelaide isn't a load of crap at all. If there was any doubt at all it was extinguished when he tried the same thing again on Villeneuve. Hill didn't make a mistake, he saw the chance to overtake and he went for it as any top racer would do. Schumacher drove into him and got lucky that the damage done was enough to retire Hill. And there was no witch hunt, Benetton were punished for not retiring their car after being black flagged. "To ignite the series after Senna's death" what the hell are you on about?!

Benetton wasn't the best car back then, no. Williams has the stand out machine. But they did have the next best car on the grid when Schumacher came in. Hardly a back marker now was he

You can bang on about the McClaren being the best car that year, the Ferrari won more races that season including 3 of the first 4. It shows your bias you don't even want to consider that perhaps Ferrari had the better drive, because that means you'd have one less stick to beat Hamilton with

Never mind which, this was a rookie driver and all season he outperformed the man who was reigning World Champion. You can't say that's the car, they had the same equipment. If being faster than the current two time World Champion in your debut isn't a sign of top quality and spectacular potential, fecking hell what is?!

As for your last silly comment, everyone knows the McClaren has had an aero overhaul which has made it competitive again. And as soon as that happens, Hamilton is back up there winning races. You can't knock that. Well I thought you can't but apparently some will...
 
Brad said:
How do you know how much / little input the drivers now are giving the teams?

You just admitted you barely watch it, and yet you seem to have the knowledge and expertise of a current insider. That or you're blagging of course

And it's a bit rich saying he might end up as 'another Damon Hill' who should of course be a two time champion had the German not cheated
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Well - there is no point in going on about this. Give it another 5 years and we can already see how Hamilton rates.
 
My argument about Adelaide isn't a load of crap at all. If there was any doubt at all it was extinguished when he tried the same thing again on Villeneuve. Hill didn't make a mistake, he saw the chance to overtake and he went for it as any top racer would do. Schumacher drove into him and got lucky that the damage done was enough to retire Hill. And there was no witch hunt, Benetton were punished for not retiring their car after being black flagged. "To ignite the series after Senna's death" what the hell are you on about?!
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Schumacher took the racing line that he was completely entitled too. Hill braked later, but Schumacher had already turned in. Hill should have had the common sense to bide his time. He was catching Schumacher and had the pace to pass him. This is what you can't comprehend because of your british bias.
Benetton wasn't the best car back then, no. Williams has the stand out machine. But they did have the next best car on the grid when Schumacher came in. Hardly a back marker now was he
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He was not in a title contending car though was he? You can say the same about Raikkonen in 2004. A good car, but they were never going to touch Ferrari were they? In 1993 both the McLaren and Williams were superior to the Bennetton. In 1994 the Williams was still a better car, yet even with several exclusions and DSQ 'due to a bs pit lane penalty that had gone over the alloted time allowed to give one' Williams still had to take it to the final round behind Michael.....


You can bang on about the McClaren being the best car that year, the Ferrari won more races that season including 3 of the first 4. It shows your bias you don't even want to consider that perhaps Ferrari had the better drive, because that means you'd have one less stick to beat Hamilton with
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Your kidding yourself if you think the McLaren wasn't the stand out car. If not for a piss poor error from Hamilton and the team, they had the title at China. Last year the McLaren was not the fastest car yet they won, because they made less errors. Equally the same as Raikkonen and Ferrari the year before.

Never mind which, this was a rookie driver and all season he outperformed the man who was reigning World Champion. You can't say that's the car, they had the same equipment. If being faster than the current two time World Champion in your debut isn't a sign of top quality and spectacular potential, fecking hell what is?!
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Don't fecking give me that rookie excuse. These are professional racing drivers not 5 year olds in Go-Karts. The term rookie is a load of crap and you know it. He didn't spank Alonso, they finished the season level on points. Big Spanking that one :wenger:. Amazing that given the same equipment at the end of the year 'Alonso received the same brakes that Hamilton had used all season mind you and not the other way around' Alonso comes out on top for the two races they shared the same equipment.

There are holes in your argument but also mine. As I said, Hamilton has driven well this season but not impressively.
 
Brad said:
How do you know how much / little input the drivers now are giving the teams?

You just admitted you barely watch it, and yet you seem to have the knowledge and expertise of a current insider. That or you're blagging of course

And it's a bit rich saying he might end up as 'another Damon Hill' who should of course be a two time champion had the German not cheated
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Had the German not been outrageously penalized to ignite a championship battle, then he wouldn't have been.
 
Brad said:
That's the issue with Schumacher. Undoubtedly brilliant and arguably the greatest of all time, but his career is littered with unsavoury on track incidents. When you're that good, why do you bother with all that shite?!
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Schumacher just had an unbelievable desire to win, which made him one of the greatest in the sport, but also made him do those things.

Can't really blame him for it. When Schumacher entered Formula 1, he looked up to Senna, Prost etc. who crashed into each other on numerous occasions. In that era it was OK to do those things because people believed that the cars were indestructible.

It was only after 1994 that such behaviour became not done.
 
I'd go to singapore regardless if I were you mate, even though the race would have been shite last year if it wasn't for Piquet binning it into the wall but the track looked bloody brilliant under the lights at night, I'd love to get some decent photos there.
 
Fair enough Marchi

Just to clear up though

Your dismissing the Ferrari as the best car in Hamiltons debut season is ridiculous. As ever you make the usual mistake of not being able to distinguish between the car and the driver. Put Piquet and Kovaleinen in that car and Ferrari walks the title and you'd be claiming the McClaren was shite

You accuse me of bias then you go on about a Schumacher witch hunt back in 94! The final race should show what they were willing to let him off with, but even for F1 ignoring a black flag and finishing the race regardless has to be punished severely

I often don't agree with Crazy, but at least he's not so bias as to twist the facts. The pictures show precisely what Schumacher did to Hill in 94, and any benefit of the doubt was lost when he did it again later in his career. I don't agree with his take that it was in some way acceptable back then, in fact Senna's incident with Prost is a black mark on his career too
 
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