The F1 Thread 2009 Season

greekscavenger1 said:
You don't have to. Because my view of Alonso will always be clouded.

In my opinion he is a complete COCK, cnut, DICK, CHEAT of the highest order.
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I'm not exactly sure when and where Fernando Alonso has ever cheated or even had moments of question. Both Hamilton and Schumacher beat him quite substancially in that position.

Although perhaps Hungary, but there was no reason for the F.I.A. to act upon.


Leg-End. While I agree Alonso is a fantastic driver, his win at Singapore was more down to blind luck then great driving.


Alonso is the best driver in F1 at the current point in time. Although some will claim that Hamilton "smashed him" they finished level on points, and Alonso even outscored him in the last 5 round. A team that was slightly hostile towards him in the closure of that season.
When both Hamilton and Alonso had "equal*" cars for the remaining two rounds, Alonso outscored him 14 to 2.

*When I say equal I mean the change of brake packages from his favored brand to that of Hamiltons, not implying that Hamilton had an advantage.
 
marchi-91 said:
Alonso is the best driver in F1 at the current point in time. Although some will claim that Hamilton "smashed him" they finished level on points, and Alonso even outscored him in the last 5 round. A team that was slightly hostile towards him in the closure of that season.
When both Hamilton and Alonso had "equal*" cars for the remaining two rounds, Alonso outscored him 14 to 2.

*When I say equal I mean the change of brake packages from his favored brand to that of Hamiltons, not implying that Hamilton had an advantage.
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Good grief Marchi, keep trying to spin your way out of the fact in his debut F1 season Hamilton finished above the twice reigning World Champion driving the same car. You can't take that away from him sorry

I thought you were done talking to the likes of us anyway? Can't even get that right
 
* At the 2003 European Grand Prix, David Coulthard and McLaren managing director Martin Whitmarsh accused Alonso of giving Coulthard a brake test. After talking to the drivers and viewing telemetry and video data, the FIA Stewards decided that the incident did not warrant any "further judicial action".[36]
* At the 2006 Hungarian Grand Prix, Alonso was involved in an incident in which he brake tested Red Bull Racing test driver Robert Doornbos in the second free practice session. The Stewards decided that Alonso’s actions were “unnecessary, unacceptable and dangerous”, and awarded him a one second time penalty to be applied to his fastest lap time in each of the qualifying sessions.[16]
* After a separate incident from the same race, when Michael Schumacher was asked whether he thought Alonso deliberately slowed down so that Schumacher had to pass him under red flags in practice Schumacher replied, "You said that, I didn't."[37]
* In the 2006 Italian Grand Prix, after stewards ruled Alonso had potentially blocked Felipe Massa in Saturday qualifying and relegated him five places on the starting grid, Alonso stated "I love the sport, love the fans coming here — a lot of them from Spain but I don't consider Formula One like a sport any more".[19]
* In the qualifying for the 2007 Hungarian Grand Prix, while both McLarens were in the pits, Alonso remained stationary in the McLaren pit for a few seconds. This delayed the then provisional pole sitter (and his team mate), Lewis Hamilton long enough to prevent him from getting another 'hot lap' in. Alonso then went on to claim pole.[38] McLaren boss Ron Dennis later said the team had got "out of sequence" when Hamilton did not as agreed allow Alonso past earlier in the qualifying session. He added that Alonso was "under the control of his engineer" when he was waiting in the pit lane.[39] However, Alonso was subsequently given a five-place grid penalty[40] and his McLaren team were docked the 15 constructors' World Championship points they would have earned in the race.[41]
* As result of this investigation, it emerged that some team members within McLaren, among them Alonso, were aware of confidential information belonging to the Ferrari team. This information was commented on to Alonso by McLaren test driver Pedro de la Rosa who had also received information from McLaren chief designer Mike Coughlan. The email contained text suggesting that Alonso was surprised by the data and doubted its authenticity. According to the "spygate" related email exchanges between Alonso and de la Rosa, it was clear that Alonso knew about Ferrari's pit strategies in the Australian Grand Prix and Bahrain Grand Prix. Alonso finished 2nd and 5th respectively in those races.[42] Ron Dennis told FIA about the case during the Hungaroring GP after alleging that Alonso threatened him to report the team to FIA himself if he wasn't given number one status within the McLaren team, while Alonso declared that false and asked FIA to show evidence of his innocence; FIA then revealed that it had had knowledge of the case thanks to a slip made by Coughlan.[43]
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Yeah.
 
Kinell so now even Alonso isnt a good driver and a lucky 2 time world champion :lol:

Honestly are there any worthy world champions in your opinion?
 
Brad said:
Good grief Marchi, keep trying to spin your way out of the fact in his debut F1 season Hamilton finished above the twice reigning World Champion driving the same car. You can't take that away from him sorry

I thought you were done talking to the likes of us anyway? Can't even get that right
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Hey

Whats this

1 Kimi Räikkönen 1 3 3 Ret 8 5 4 1 1 Ret 2 2 3 1 3 1 1 110
2 Lewis Hamilton 3 2 2 2 2 1 1 3 3 9 1 5 2 4 1 Ret 7 109
3 Fernando Alonso 2 1 5 3 1 7 2 7 2 1 4 3 1 3 Ret 2 3 109

Really looks like he smashed him as you said earlier in the thread Brad :rolleyes:
The only reason Hamilton finished above him, was due to having 1 more podium finish. He didn't even have more wins and yet your claimed he smashed him.
Raikkonen has has more podiums then Massa this year, yet most punters expect him to go. Anything other then wins mean feck all to the teams and only nit pickers and Hamilton fan boi's will ever give a crap.


Yet can't do that right, but im not the one looking like an egotistical dickhead am I ;)
 
feck me there are some morons in this thread.

Keep going Brad, you're fighting an admirable fight, I can't be arsed.
 
greekscavenger1 said:
That hes a bit of a cheat if not anything else?
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1. Acquitted by the F.I.A. for no wrong doing.
2. Meh.
3. Michael didn't say he did something wrong.
4. Stupid as feck penalty
5. Hamilton deliberately breaks team orders. Alonso sits in pit bay 'which he's completely entitled to do'. F.I.A. step in for no logical reason and penalizes Alonso. Should have been an internal issue only.
 
marchi-91 said:
Oh feck me what a load of shit. Yesterday it was me against 3 of them. And most of their arguments resulted in belittling my opinion. Nothing admiral about that. Just pathetic bullying.
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You haven't even got the courage of your own fecking convictions, why are you still here again?
 
RedNome said:
You haven't even got the courage of your own fecking convictions, why are you still here again?
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To laugh at pathetic cnuts like you who don't have the balls to enter in to the debate. Just sit on the edge and suck the dick of the poster that suits your opinion.

feck me 2007 was funny and this just makes it more so. Watching the self righteous english press place their hopes only to watch that driver and his team piss it away through incompetence. I bet Alonso left laughing his bollocks off as well.
 
marchi-91 said:
Really looks like he smashed him as you said earlier in the thread Brad :rolleyes:
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Quote me

That's not really much further to go on any of this. We 'smashed' your arguments out of the park yesterday. People will always debate Schumacher Hill, for me its pretty clear, some argue otherwise, I'd say given what he went on to do, any benefit of the doubt is null and void anyway

But the stuff you're writing about Hamilton is just utter bullshit, and everyone knows that. The funny thing is you're crying about bias, its so hypocritical because your posts are dripping in bias and your anti Hamilton agenda. But we've argued our case to you, so well in fact you had to play the dramatic 'you're all delusional, I'm wasting my time here, I'm leaving' card. Only to remain of course. Crying folk are ganging up on you and calling you names won't get you anywhere, for a start you're been calling folk too, and the only reason so many folk are telling you you're talking shite is because you're talking shite mate, take the hint!

The only good news for you at the moment in this thread is that greekscavenger1 has come in and taken the burden off you by arguing horse shit himself. Although no doubt you actually believe in his conspiracy theories
 
Brad said:
Quote me

T so many folk are telling you you're talking shite is because you're talking shite mate, take the hint!
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On a British forum by a bunch of Hamilton fans. I'll take that with a large pinch of fecking salt.

& brad i'd take a look at any one of your arguments before you start slating that others instigate the name calling..... Most of the times its you.
 
marchi-91 said:
On a British forum by a bunch of Hamilton fans. I'll take that with a large pinch of fecking salt.

& brad i'd take a look at any one of your arguments before you start slating that others instigate the name calling..... Most of the times its you.
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Come on bullshitter. Quote me. Where did I say Hamilton 'smashed' Alonso?

I'm not the one hypocritically whinging everyone's calling me names while I'm doing it myself mate. I'm not slating or claiming anyone is instigating, I'm just pointing out you're a hypocrite
 
Brad said:
outperformed
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Smashed was not the word I was looking for, must have picked it up in a different post by somebody else, but he hardly outperformed Alonso considering that with "equal" equipment, Fernando beat him 2-0. That "equal" equipment being the brakes that Lewis Hamilton had raced all season with....

Oh and the fact they finished on the same points with the same amount of wins. But hey! lets not get in the way of bigging up of Hamilton. Like the driver, they are only superficial.
 
marchi-91 said:
Smashed was not the word I was looking for, must have picked it up in a different post by somebody else, but he hardly outperformed Alonso considering that with "equal" equipment, Fernando beat him 2-0. That "equal" equipment being the brakes that Lewis Hamilton had raced all season with....

Oh and the fact they finished on the same points with the same amount of wins. But hey! lets not get in the way of bigging up of Hamilton. Like the driver, they are only superficial.
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He did outperform him, he finished 2nd in the Championship while Alonso finished 3rd. He was also a rookie F1 driver coming into a team with the reigning two time World Champion

And yet, you said I'd claimed Hamilton 'smashed' him

So you were full of bullshit, yet again, weren't you?
 
Brad said:
He did outperform him, he finished 2nd in the Championship while Alonso finished 3rd. He was also a rookie F1 driver coming into a team with the reigning two time World Champion
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How does drawing level constitute out performing. Doing further research Hamilton beats him through pole positions not podiums as all 3 of the top runners hole 12 each. Of course you could always argue that Alonso's 3 fastest laps constitute a faster driver in race trim.

And no not bullshitting, but just a mistake. Much like your conception.
 
marchi-91 said:
Oh feck me what a load of shit. Yesterday it was me against 3 of them. And most of their arguments resulted in belittling my opinion. Nothing admiral about that. Just pathetic bullying.
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You were saying

marchi-91 said:
There is no point even trying to debate, when your constantly getting shot down by 3 english fans all at once all touting the same biased opinion. I'll stick to f1 fans that have a clue rather then one being a Gooner and the other being the bastard love child of Lewis Hamilton and Damon Hill.
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Crazy says something about you being bullied then you run with it I call this a debate.
 
marchi-91 said:
How does drawing level constitute out performing. Doing further research Hamilton beats him through pole positions not podiums as all 3 of the top runners hole 12 each. Of course you could always argue that Alonso's 3 fastest laps constitute a faster driver in race trim.

And no not bullshitting, but just a mistake. Much like your conception.
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Hamilton finished the championship 2nd, Alonso finished it 3rd

Doesn't matter the gap between them, those are the official standings

And it's phenomenal a rookie driver can come into F1 and do that against the twice reigning champion
 
Brad said:
Hamilton finished the championship 2nd, Alonso finished it 3rd

Doesn't matter the gap between them, those are the official standings

And it's phenomenal a rookie driver can come into F1 and do that against the twice reigning champion
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You keep telling yourself that. In the end, Alonso 'like Prost' is still considered a better driver so i'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

Not going to bother debating this topic anymore, not worth my time. Fun while it lasted.


Time to move on to a new topic.
 
marchi-91 said:
You keep telling yourself that. In the end, Alonso 'like Prost' is still considered a better driver so i'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

Not going to bother debating this topic anymore, not worth my time. Fun while it lasted.


Time to move on to a new topic.
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Oooh pulling the same trick twice! Wonderful! Tally ho chap: Better luck with it this time

I will keep telling myself Hamilton finished above Alonso in the 2007 Championship, because he did, it's enshrined fact
 
greekscavenger1 said:
FAO all those sucking Hamilton's cock and ripping into Schumacher.

You call him a cheat and you seem to compare him to Hamilton. Hmm, thats a bit ironic isn't it. Last race of the season, last lap, you've fecked it up just like last year and your on the final corner and suddenly the guy in front of you decide to suddenly park his car two meters in front of the finishing line letting you zoom past him taking the title. Oh and the guy who parks the car is in a very strange and puzzling coincidence, your best friend in the game. Nope, i don't see any suspicion in that whatsoever :rolleyes:

To even compare Hamilton to Schumacher is beyond ridiculous. In his debut season, in an awsome car and no real competition he still managed to feck it up in the last two races. All he had to do was get a point in the final race, and he still fecked that up. Don't think Schumacher could have done that... Ferrari at the time when Schumacher joined were poor, and neither of their drivers were very good. Schumacher changed all of that.

Oh and Schumacher never fled his fecking country for tax evasion purposes.
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Nutter, that clearly isnt what happened! Sounds like a RAWK conspiracy theorist.

And who said hamilton was as good as schumacher? who compared them? tell me!
 
GloryHunter07 said:
Nutter, that clearly isnt what happened! Sounds like a RAWK conspiracy theorist.

And who said hamilton was as good as schumacher? who compared them? tell me!
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Hehe, that's a fine point actually! No one was, no one ever does. Hamilton is in his 3rd season, he looks good enough to win many more championships and who knows, but unless you're comparing like for like career progression, it's pretty meaningless at this stage

It was brought up here by Schumi fans who clearly see Hamilton as a threat! Or are so bias against him, they want to knock him by claiming he's not as good as Schumacher, not realising the huge compliment they're paying him by comparing him to such lofty company!
 
Schumacher more than pushed the rules, he was practically setting them! The weaving rule? Team orders? Points system? Remember when he once had a drive through penalty (Silverstone?), leaving it till the last lap so he could finish the race whilst technically serving the drive through penalty!? Cheating? Yeh probably, definitely unsporting, but funny as feck. He's "box office", that's why everyone can forgive it.

Hopefully he passes the fitness test and can battle it out with the likes of Hamilton, Alonso, Raikonnen, Button, and Vettel in similarish speed cars, on slicks! Should be a joy to watch - he also has the kers button for overtaking!
 
Could Shumi finish on the podium on his return? I don't think the car is competitive enough this year but there is no doubt all this buzz is good for F1. Hope felipe gets better though as a doctor myself these head injuries are notoriously tricky.
 
Desert Eagle said:
Could Shumi finish on the podium on his return? I don't think the car is competitive enough this year but there is no doubt all this buzz is good for F1. Hope felipe gets better though as a doctor myself these head injuries are notoriously tricky.
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Raikkonen came 2nd in Hungary and Massa was on the podium in Germany so it's looking like Ferrari are getting closer. He'll have a car capable of the podium. Looks like he's gunna get special permission to spend a day testing the car too. I wouldn't put it past him at all
 
Desert Eagle said:
Could Shumi finish on the podium on his return? I don't think the car is competitive enough this year but there is no doubt all this buzz is good for F1. Hope felipe gets better though as a doctor myself these head injuries are notoriously tricky.
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I hope not.
 
Busy day for F1!

- Piquet out of F1. Not too much of a suprise. A good example of how it quite clearly isn't 'all about the cars'. Test driver Romain Grosjean expected to take over

- Schumacher won't be able to test the current Ferrari before the European GP, after Williams blocked it. Something along the lines of questioning why it schold be different rules for him

Oh and talking of which

- Schumacher possibly already caught breaking the rules!!!

"FIA officials were concerned to see him testing a 2007 car on slick tyres on Friday. The 2007 machine originally ran on grooved tyres, which means Schumacher and Ferrari could have broken the test ban. The team, however, claimed on Monday they were within the rules, using slick tyres from a GP2 car"

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/formula_1/article6737776.ece
 
Brad said:
Busy day for F1!

- Piquet out of F1. Not too much of a suprise. A good example of how it quite clearly isn't 'all about the cars'. Test driver Romain Grosjean expected to take over

- Schumacher won't be able to test the current Ferrari before the European GP, after Williams blocked it. Something along the lines of questioning why it schold be different rules for him

Oh and talking of which

- Schumacher possibly already caught breaking the rules!!!

"FIA officials were concerned to see him testing a 2007 car on slick tyres on Friday. The 2007 machine originally ran on grooved tyres, which means Schumacher and Ferrari could have broken the test ban. The team, however, claimed on Monday they were within the rules, using slick tyres from a GP2 car"

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/formula_1/article6737776.ece
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Strange tht Williams objected while the other teams all agreed. Their point is legit though that Ferrari could easily have promoted one of their test drivers who have spent time in the new ferrari cars and wouldn't be as in the dark as shumi. Still I think either they will cave or the FIA will make an exception.
 
Im surprised this has been blocked, seems a tad harsh. I heard on the radio that Red bull and Torro Rosso have now also asked to veto this.
 
GloryHunter07 said:
Im surprised this has been blocked, seems a tad harsh. I heard on the radio that Red bull and Torro Rosso have now also asked to veto this.
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Not really....Williams are in direct competition with Ferrari so it is not surprising they don't agree to it. They are well within their rights too as i think Ferrari we're really just chancing their arm by asking in the first place, i'm surprised the other teams agreed to let it go ahead.

Regarding the tyres....I think its to confirm they we're in fact GP2 tyres since both F1 and GP2 tyres look allmost exactly the same....i couldn't spot a difference in them anyways
 
Common sense from Williams there, they didn't allow Alguersuari a days testing for when he took over & there was nothing stopping Ferrari from using their test drivers who have driven this years car.
 
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