The F1 Thread 2009 Season

marchi-91 said:


For you. On board with Schumacher Michael hits the apex as Hill tries to duck up the inside and beat him under breaks and slides in to him.
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We've seen and heard it all before Marchi

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If Schumacher continues to turn as dramatically as he's doing there, he'd hit the inside concrete wall of the apex. That's not how you take the corner. It's a deliberate move into Hill to try and take him off the track, a last gasp move to try and win the championship. And it worked

It's incredible you dismiss it when he did the same fecking thing again later in his career!!!
 
marchi-91 said:
Says Brad with "Racing incident™".

You know what, i'm not going to even bother posting in here anymore. It's clear as fecking day this f1 forum is filled be delusional twats who think that Hamilton and any other Brit can do no fecking wrong. I'll let your enjoy your little slice of english paradise and go talk with real f1 fans.
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:lol::lol::lol:

Well I guess it's less one delusional twat then now. Off you go
 
marchi-91 said:
It was indeed a shabby pass, he cut across Timo forcing him on to the grass at 250kmh. Glock was closing up on Hamilton as you can clearly see. He gets the better exit from the corner and draws along side only for Hamilton to drift wide and cut him off.
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There was no pass. Are you blind? Hamilton was in front of him the entire time. There was no 'cutting across anything'. Hamilton didn't agressively turn the car to ensure Glock went on the grass. Glock took a chance & ran out of road, its impossible to go round turns 3-4 at Monza on the outside, given the line is on the outside of the track.

Man you are clueless. Give up.

marchi-91 said:
@ your second paragraph, Hamilton knew full well that Timo was along side, as Montoya said about Michael in 2004, you'd either be blind or stupid to not see him. Michael was completely entitle to take the racing line and Hill made an attempted pass while Michael was mid corner.
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Where the hell does Montoya come into this? A clear sign when someone is losing an argument when they bring in irrelevant issues. Glock had two options, either accelerate to take the racing line or back off as he was running out of road. He did neither & consequently found himself on the grass.

I don't think i've actually denied any entitlement of racing line for Schumacher in 1994, its the point of him knowingly turning in with Hill there is my issue. One which Schumacher would of easily avoided. My further issue with you is when you try to compare the two incidents. When its like comparing apples with oranges.
 
marchi-91 said:
Says Brad with "Racing incident™".

You know what, i'm not going to even bother posting in here anymore. It's clear as fecking day this f1 forum is filled be delusional twats who think that Hamilton and any other Brit can do no fecking wrong. I'll let your enjoy your little slice of english paradise and go talk with real f1 fans.
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Nobody ever said that
 
marchi-91 said:
Says Brad with "Racing incident™".

You know what, i'm not going to even bother posting in here anymore. It's clear as fecking day this f1 forum is filled be delusional twats who think that Hamilton and any other Brit can do no fecking wrong. I'll let your enjoy your little slice of english paradise and go talk with real f1 fans.
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Throwing the toys out of the pram as you're not intelligent enough to debate properly would be the more accurate response of the above.

However i do find it ironic that you were harping on about hypocrisy earlier & you're now calling people here 'delusional'.
 
marchi-91 said:
Says Brad with "Racing incident™".

You know what, i'm not going to even bother posting in here anymore. It's clear as fecking day this f1 forum is filled be delusional twats who think that Hamilton and any other Brit can do no fecking wrong. I'll let your enjoy your little slice of english paradise and go talk with real f1 fans.
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:lol::lol:
 
F-Red said:
Throwing the toys out of the pram as you're not intelligent enough to debate properly would be the more accurate response of the above.

However i do find it ironic that you were harping on about hypocrisy earlier & you're now calling people here 'delusional'.
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I'd keep going all day, but couldn't stuffed anymore. There is no point even trying to debate, when your constantly getting shot down by 3 english fans all at once all touting the same biased opinion. I'll stick to f1 fans that have a clue rather then one being a Gooner and the other being the bastard love child of Lewis Hamilton and Damon Hill.

I'll finish with. What ever any of you want to believe. Michael will go down as the greatest driver ever. No driver will achieve what he did in our life time. Some tout Hamilton, but the past 3 years are evidence enough to prove otherwise. A Michael Schumacher Brawn Bennetton or Ferrari would never have allowed for such instances to get so out of hand and public.

He has passion and drive far superior to any before him and any after him and it may never be seen again. What's funny is that its somehow only British fans that complain about Adelaide while the rest of the world moved on and saw it for what it was, a racing incident.
 
marchi-91 said:
I'd keep going all day, but couldn't stuffed anymore. There is no point even trying to debate, when your constantly getting shot down by 3 english fans all at once all touting the same biased opinion. I'll stick to f1 fans that have a clue rather then one being a Gooner and the other being the bastard love child of Lewis Hamilton and Damon Hill.
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Brilliant who might they be?
 
marchi-91 said:
I'd keep going all day, but couldn't stuffed anymore. There is no point even trying to debate, when your constantly getting shot down by 3 english fans all at once all touting the same biased opinion. I'll stick to f1 fans that have a clue rather then one being a Gooner and the other being the bastard love child of Lewis Hamilton and Damon Hill.

I'll finish with. What ever any of you want to believe. Michael will go down as the greatest driver ever. No driver will achieve what he did in our life time. Some tout Hamilton, but the past 3 years are evidence enough to prove otherwise. A Michael Schumacher Brawn Bennetton or Ferrari would never have allowed for such instances to get so out of hand and public.

He has passion and drive far superior to any before him and any after him and it may never be seen again. What's funny is that its somehow only British fans that complain about Adelaide while the rest of the world moved on and saw it for what it was, a racing incident.
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I just find it funny that you turn it into a country thing, no one mentioned anything about where you're from because its not an issue. For you its the basis for most of your argument, and then have the cheek to call people here as not having a clue. Pull the other one.
 
marchi-91 said:
They're both British, And both consider Michael to be a cheat so there's no point arguing against it as they'll just come back with the same excuse each time.
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Well he is a cheat (proven in Jerez in fact) but thats besides the point. Do we make the same sweeping statements that all Aussie Ferrari fans struggle to debate a topic?
 
F-Red said:
Well he is a cheat (proven in Jerez in fact) but thats besides the point. Do we make the same sweeping statements that all Aussie Ferrari fans struggle to debate a topic?
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When was the last time you've seen anybody bring up Adelaide debate in calling Schumacher a cheat who wasn't British? I've not struggled at all too debate. I've given you clear evidence, but its being misinterpreted visa versa to our own opinions.

Schumacher is no bigger a cheat then Prost or Senna if Jerez is the benchmark.

What pisses me off, is when certain posters try to imply that he's a danger to other drivers when current drivers are guilty of driving dangerous ala Hamilton and Glock. To argue the point earlier, it is possible to drive side by side around turn two at Monza, but Hamilton cut across on to the racing line that Glock was already on. Glocks front wheels where in line with the barge boards of the McLaren and continually closing the gap. Watch from the exit of the corner where he is behind the McLaren, gets the better exit, and starts clawing his way back up along side the McLaren. Hamilton new that if he gave Glock the racing line, he'd be prown to snap oversteer and have to drop his pace on the wetter line so he drifts across cutting Glock off and forcing him on to the Grass.
 
marchi-91 said:
Schumacher is no bigger a cheat then Prost or Senna if Jerez is the benchmark.
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To date, Schumacher is the only driver to ever have been disqualified from a championship season. I think he's sitting on the top of that perch.

marchi-91 said:
What pisses me off, is when certain posters try to imply that he's a danger to other drivers when current drivers are guilty of driving dangerous ala Hamilton and Glock. To argue the point earlier, it is possible to drive side by side around turn two at Monza, but Hamilton cut across on to the racing line that Glock was already on. Glocks front wheels where in line with the barge boards of the McLaren and continually closing the gap. Watch from the exit of the corner where he is behind the McLaren, gets the better exit, and starts clawing his way back up along side the McLaren. Hamilton new that if he gave Glock the racing line, he'd be prown to snap oversteer and have to drop his pace on the wetter line so he drifts across cutting Glock off and forcing him on to the Grass.
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Turn 3 into 4 is the issue in question. You say that Glock got a good run out, he had two options either to get past & take the line or back off and go behind. He did neither which is why he ended up going onto the grass. There was no 'drifting' or 'cutting off' done, he just retained his position through the corner (proven by the car in front following the exact same line as Hamilton). The fact it wasn't investigated after is proof enough it wasn't an issue.

But why are you still here? I thought you was going?
 
marchi-91 said:
They're both British, And both consider Michael to be a cheat so there's no point arguing against it as they'll just come back with the same excuse each time.
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Im english and i rate Schumacher as a legend, just a slightly tainted one. Maybe i have german blood?
 
:lol: at this thread

Michael Schumacher, a genius behind the wheel and probably the GOAT but tainted his legacy by performing questionable actions when he really did not need to.

If its any consolation I am loving his comeback, can't wait.
 
F-Red said:
To date, Schumacher is the only driver to ever have been disqualified from a championship season. I think he's sitting on the top of that perch.
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Well I think Marchi has a point there though. Senna intentionaly drove Prost off the track in Suzuka in 1990, no difference with what Schumacher did at Jerez. Senna even admitted he did it on purpose, still he was crowned world champion, which adds to my argument of a few days ago that such behaviour was not that criticised in those days as it was after 1994.

Still when we speak of Senna it's only the high points.

Besides the argument, I think this thread has gone a bit overboard though. Ganging up against someone because he sees things differently and then insulting him for it... don't know what all of that has to do with it.
 
Senna died on the track. Funnily enough the bad things people do tend to get forgotten when that happens. If he'd gone on and continued to be the great driver he was, for a start Schumacher wouldn't have as many titles I reckon, and secondly he also would be remembered as a slightly tainted champion albeit one of the best of all time. Much like Schumacher is really. No one denies his quality, but some seem to argue the irrefutable fact he was a repetitive cheat

Sorry Crazy you're wrong too. This hasn't been ganging up, and he's been insulting and calling folk out too. His arguement was smashed to bits and then he had to pull the dramatic leaving card, and he didn't even do that right either. He made a joke of himself in this thread, and folk have merely been pointing that out to him

The odd thing is, he keeps saying we're so bias. I and many others have condemned Hamilton for Australia this year, he was very stupid. Part of me understands why he went with what his team sporting director told him, but its still not a valid excuse. Marchi is so stuck up Schumacher's arse he won't even admit the frankly accepted given that he was indeed a cheat. A brilliant driver, and yes arguably the 'GOAT'(!), but still, a cheat
 
FAO all those sucking Hamilton's cock and ripping into Schumacher.

You call him a cheat and you seem to compare him to Hamilton. Hmm, thats a bit ironic isn't it. Last race of the season, last lap, you've fecked it up just like last year and your on the final corner and suddenly the guy in front of you decide to suddenly park his car two meters in front of the finishing line letting you zoom past him taking the title. Oh and the guy who parks the car is in a very strange and puzzling coincidence, your best friend in the game. Nope, i don't see any suspicion in that whatsoever :rolleyes:

To even compare Hamilton to Schumacher is beyond ridiculous. In his debut season, in an awsome car and no real competition he still managed to feck it up in the last two races. All he had to do was get a point in the final race, and he still fecked that up. Don't think Schumacher could have done that... Ferrari at the time when Schumacher joined were poor, and neither of their drivers were very good. Schumacher changed all of that.

Oh and Schumacher never fled his fecking country for tax evasion purposes.
 
greekscavenger1 said:
FAO all those sucking Hamilton's cock and ripping into Schumacher.

You call him a cheat and you seem to compare him to Hamilton. Hmm, thats a bit ironic isn't it. Last race of the season, last lap, you've fecked it up just like last year and your on the final corner and suddenly the guy in front of you decide to suddenly park his car two meters in front of the finishing line letting you zoom past him taking the title. Oh and the guy who parks the car is in a very strange and puzzling coincidence, your best friend in the game. Nope, i don't see any suspicion in that whatsoever :rolleyes:
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:lol::lol::lol: Why does everyone coming to this thread feel the passionate need to make a complete and utter dick of themselves? Really, I'd love to know

You're showing you have a complete and fundimental lack of understanding for the sport mate, and I'll tell you why now

With a few laps to go, Hamilton was in 5th place and comfortably cruising to the world championship. Then the rain came. So he like most other cars pitted to get wets. However some cars didn't, drivers like Glock took a gamble that with so few laps left to go, he'd stay out on dry tires, and try to nurse the car home. Obviously the idea is that he makes up 30 seconds ish on everyone who pits, moving him up the points scoring positions

But we saw exactly why it was a gamble. Come the final lap, he had no grip whatsoever. Precisely the reason everyone else had come in for new tires. Hence his very slow lap. I believe there were other cars on the track who'd gambled the same, and they had exactly the same issue Glock had

So Hamilton won that fair and square, and you're a dick for suggesting Glock is a cheat when all he did was take a gamble to try and move up the places. His gamble actually gave Massa a chance of winning the championship, without it Hamilton as I said cruises home

And yet again you try to compare that, where its not even Hamilton doing the 'supposed' cheating for fecks sake, to Schumacher who has many incidents of cheating several of which were punished by the authorities, in an era they tried their level best to let him off with everything! But he pushed too far
 
greekscavenger1 said:
To even compare Hamilton to Schumacher is beyond ridiculous. In his debut season, in an awsome car and no real competition he still managed to feck it up in the last two races.
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I particularly like this bit Brad :lol: No real competition, only a double reigning world champion. :lol:

I see the Schumacher fans are out in force this week.
 
Yeah, German tax laws are much much more lax than British tax laws which, lets be fair is totally crap. 40% tax laws? My arse... Swiss tax laws and German tax laws are not that much widespread, even if Schumacher did go to Switzland for tax evasions then it was a pointless trip as German tax laws are very lenient. Plus i don't recall Schumacher making some bullshit excuse up that actually had a go on something?

Yep, Brad, thats one friggin explanation that has far too many coincidences. You sound like some kid now trying to explain an event using arguments that seem very far-fetched. Of all the times the tyres decide to cock up, final corner of the final lap? Yeah...trust me Brad, thats what he is trying to say, don't think many people believe him.
 
Am i? Please explain. Renault Circa 2004-6 were very good yes, arguably the best. But they were like BMW, temporary success whilst the real giants Ferrari and Mclaren had the real consistency.
 
So I imagined him winning 2 races last season and a pole this season? Alonso is generally regarded as the most complete driver on the grid.

You know I am not going to even debate about it.
 
greekscavenger1 said:
Yeah, German tax laws are much much more lax than British tax laws which, lets be fair is totally crap. 40% tax laws? My arse... Swiss tax laws and German tax laws are not that much widespread, even if Schumacher did go to Switzland for tax evasions then it was a pointless trip as German tax laws are very lenient. Plus i don't recall Schumacher making some bullshit excuse up that actually had a go on something?

Yep, Brad, thats one friggin explanation that has far too many coincidences. You sound like some kid now trying to explain an event using arguments that seem very far-fetched. Of all the times the tyres decide to cock up, final corner of the final lap? Yeah...trust me Brad, thats what he is trying to say, don't think many people believe him.
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:lol: Mate you just got owned with the Swiss thing, there's no climb down for you

I sound like a kid trying to explain it far fetched? Ask yourself this Mr conspiracy. If Glock was so intent on making sure his 'mate' Hamilton won the title, why did he not simply pit for wet tires like every everyone else? He'd have stayed in position, well behind Hamilton, who could afford to be passed by Vettel and still cruise home to become World Champion. Your conspiracy isn't the slightest bit consistant. And shows a enormous lack of knowledge about tyre selection, and just how much a difference trying to drive dry tires in wet conditions can make

greekscavenger1 said:
You don't have to. Because my view of Alonso will always be clouded.

In my opinion he is a complete COCK, cnut, DICK, CHEAT of the highest order.
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Well I agree with you there at least, I think he's a tosser too

But to say he isn't a great driver... talking out of your arse. He went toe to toe with Schumacher and won. And in Schumi's final season while the Renault started as the best drive, the Ferrari was far better come seasons end, but he held on. You don't become a two time World Champion if you're not a great driver
 
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