Well played Alonso, who would have expected him to follow up his Singapore win?
The F1 Thread 2008 Season
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Alonso is over the moon on the team speakAlonso wins, brilliant drive. Raikkonen should be ashamed of himself though, that was his race to win and he again went to sleep mid race. Be interesting to see what Hamilton has to say about that one, personally id go plonk one on that fat Ferrari engineer with the smuggest face in the world.
Well the stewards haven't left themselves any room, if Hamilton was penalised on the first corner for essentially nothing, they'll surely be taking Massa's point off him for driving into Bourdais
Entertaining race, but an utter farce
Entertaining race, but an utter farce
Perfect summary
Both drivers deserved their penalties.
Hamilton vs Massa over the next 2 races could be interesting. Both are quite capable of spectacularly fecking things up.
Hamilton vs Massa over the next 2 races could be interesting. Both are quite capable of spectacularly fecking things up.
What is it you think Hamilton deserved penalising for though? Overcooking the first corner? I can honestly, 100% say if that had been Massa, I wouldn't have questioned it for a second. I'd have been perplexed for him. I just can't see why it merited a drive through penalty!
Well everyone expects Massa to win in Brazil, thats a sure sign he probably won't. In fairness this hasnt been a vintage year for driving, and the title will probably be decided by a mistake.
Any driver who overcooks a corner but in that feck up of his, forces the driver he is trying to overtake off the track deserves a penalty. Thats the rule which has been implemented consistently by stewards. Raikonnen had the racing line and had no choice but to go off the track to avoid a first turn pile up at high speed.
Any driver can break late going into a chicane, lock wheels and force the driver ahead of him off the track. Most sensible one's don't.
Do you think that Kimi in the few laps that he was close behind Kubica, didnt have the option of breaking late, overcooking a corner and take the place by forcing Kubica off the track ?
There is a reason why Hamilton has been universally condemned for his rash and stupid driving by almost every driver on the track at some point this season.
There are no top drivers this season. Everyone has made stupid mistakes. I would rather see Kubica win it now. He's still only 12 points behind with an inferior car, maybe the only great driver of the season.
Raikkonen had his race ruined with damaged cooling by making contact with Hamilton along with about half of the field forced wide. If Hamilton hadn't made that move Kimi would probably had won the race.
The option? Are you trying to claim Hamilton did it deliberately?
How could Raikkonen have the racing line, if he wasn't ahead of Hamilton going into the first corner?
The decision is made now. I think it's absolutely ridiculous
It's also daft these steward decisions after the race. We don't know if Massa keeps his point or not. Surely we could have a system where race results stand if nothing is done before the end, and any penalties come into play the next race? I'm sick of watching the race, going away, and finding the result is different to how I saw things cross the line!
Spot on...its not just an overzealous move but a stupid one from Hamilton as he could have caused 3 or 4 cars to crash in the first turn.
Have another look, Hamilton did not touch him. What you should have said is Hamilton had his race ruined with damaged aero after being clearly punted off by Massa and a drive through for locking his brakes at the first corner which I have never before seen. You can make the argument that he ruined peoples starts, etc but thats what first corner racing is about and happens all the time in the mid pack, I dont see what difference it makes up the front unless he just cleanly takes someone out. End result Massa takes a point off Hamilton and yet again we all scratch our heads at the FIA.
You have no understanding of what the racing line is. Its pointless when most English fans have some kind of persecution that race after race, neutral stewards are only out to prevent their countryman from winning a championship.
For what its worth, Hamilton is a fantastic driver and doesnt need to be acting this stupid to win the championship.
Yeh I said in an earlier post Massa's penalty was more clear cut than Hamilton's but by jumping across and braking so late in a hero move Hamilton gave Kimi and others on the outside literally nowhere to go by overshooting the apex of the corner. Like I said it is not as obvious as Massa's but I would still put that under dangerous driving in Hamilton's eagerness to get back the place after Kimi got a headstart on him.
Oh do come back up from your own anus mate. Of course I know what a bloody racing line is
You complain about bias, when you clearly have an anti-English agenda going on! He overcooked the first corner, we could all see that. As Leg End said, drivers to that all the time. In the post race press conference, Kubica admitted he did it too. To give a drive through for it is just utterly bizarre. Can you name a single example of it ever happening before?
Kimi should have taken Hamilton out in the first corner. Trying to avoid an accident and sacrificing his race by going off the track was perhaps a mistake.
Thickheaded fans cant seem to understand why or how Hamilton's stupidity forced 3 cars off the track.
Thickheaded fans cant seem to understand why or how Hamilton's stupidity forced 3 cars off the track.
Hamilton was wrong here, anyone who can't see that is blind. He can't take it if he fecks up, he fecked up his start and went crazy. He's lucky he only got a drive-through.
Lucky he only got a drive through??!!
Bah feck it, I've had enough of being preached to by idiots who have some bizarre bitterness against Hamilton and the British
I can't wait until Hamilton wins this Championship. You'll feel like you've had your faces wiped in his shite, I can tell
Yes it was stupid, he should have just tucked in BUT I still maintain its not a punishable offence unless he takes out those 3 cars by contacting them.
Kimi outbrakes himself, runs well wide and then hurtles back onto the track at over 100mph, thats dangerous but its not punishable because he touched nobody. It's racing! Let them race, its getting to the point that any racing incident is just penalised and its time an ex-racer was a steward.
It was a pathetic move and you know it. It's not the first time Hamilton loses it when something goes against him.
Last race people got a stop&go for entering the pit during safety car... Hamilton ruins the race of half the field and only gets a drive through...
Yes I'm really anti-British
that's why I support an English football team, take extra English lessons and go on holiday in England almost every year.This is exactly what I was talking about...none of us have any agenda or bitterness against Hamilton or the British. Its your persecution complex that makes it seem so whenever majority neutral opinion is against Lewis.
I have posted before on this thread that he is a far superior driver to Massa and deserves to win the championship ahead of him.
Kimi had the racing line and had 2 choices -
1. Turn into the chicane and into Hamilton who had overcooked it
2. Go off the track and avoid a racing incident in the first turn involving multiple cars.
Kimi chose option 2, not many would have done that to avoid contact. What did Lewis do in the pit lane a few races back ? He took out Kimi when he was driving at one fifth the pace with the pit lane speed limiter on.
Hamilton clearly fecked up Kimi's race this time again and deserved a drive through.
Karma’s got it right (which is a nice sentence in itself).
Brad might have a point, but the particular that’s missing in his analysis is that you can’t describe Hamilton’s behaviour at the first corner as “overcooking”, like he was driving somewhere in the middle of the race and happened to make a mistake or something.
He was behind Raikkonen, overtook him where it was not possible (lack of space ahead) in a Sydney-or-the-bush deliberate kind of move and pushed Raikkonen (and a few others) to the field.
Not precisely an innocent lamb and not basically different from Massa’s move. All in all, fair call, although it’s true it’s not good for the sport the number of officials’ decisions that are altering the track results.
EDIT: of course this opinion can be deleted if it's taken as an anti-Hamilton anti-British rant. Which isn't, of course (both are more than ok to me), but ok, don't mean to cause any argument.
Brad might have a point, but the particular that’s missing in his analysis is that you can’t describe Hamilton’s behaviour at the first corner as “overcooking”, like he was driving somewhere in the middle of the race and happened to make a mistake or something.
He was behind Raikkonen, overtook him where it was not possible (lack of space ahead) in a Sydney-or-the-bush deliberate kind of move and pushed Raikkonen (and a few others) to the field.
Not precisely an innocent lamb and not basically different from Massa’s move. All in all, fair call, although it’s true it’s not good for the sport the number of officials’ decisions that are altering the track results.
EDIT: of course this opinion can be deleted if it's taken as an anti-Hamilton anti-British rant. Which isn't, of course (both are more than ok to me), but ok, don't mean to cause any argument.
Yeah I agree, the Brits seem to have an excuse for their own mistakes. Hamilton admitted his mistake at the first corner, but here comes the BUT not all mistakes are punishable and it was a 50/50 which was always gonna swing one way. I do believe the FIA have an agenda against McLaren and its been apparent since July 2007. I think a comment on 606 sums it up perfectly, probably the whole season.
No ones making an excuse for Hamilton here. He made a mistake at the start, and he ended up running off and losing several positions (was it down to 6th?). It was his mistake and his alone, and I'm sure he regrets it. It was very Brazil 2007 in a way
But was it punishable by a penalty? Was it bollocks! It's racing for crying out loud
But was it punishable by a penalty? Was it bollocks! It's racing for crying out loud
Its fair interpretation Wedge. I disagree with it. But then again you haven't laced it with comments such as 'thick headed (Hamilton) fans' and 'lucky to get away with a drive through', which tends to give away if you have a problem with Hamilton or the British!
Well I agree with that, I have a problem with Hamilton. He goes bananas when he isn't winning and creates dangerous situations which should be punished.
Creates dangerous situations which should be punished eh?
What a crock of horse shit!
Which driver twice drove into other cars this afternoon Crazy? How come you're not directing this bile at him, if you're so neutral and fair?
It was his mistake and it also fecked up the race for a couple of other drivers like Kimi and Kovalienen who were forced off the track and lost positions. That was why he deserved a drive through.
If Kimi had not sacrificed his race and turned into Hamilton taking him out, would his fans have not cried foul play from Ferrari ? Every time Lewis attempts a crazy move, the likes of Kimi and even Alonso are being more cautious than they normally would.
But seriously Hamilton does race on a fine line, but F1 has forgotten about real racing and atleast we now have someone who just sticks one on the inside when he could have just settled for less. Classic example is Raikkonen behind Kubica today, if thats Hamilton he either passes him or bins it, and thats why people either love him or hate him.
You mean Massa? Well I was glad he pushed Hamilton off, let him know that he isn't the only driver on the fecking track, bloody idiot he is.
When you look at the start, Hamilton was partially responsible for Coulthards crash. Everyone brakes for the mess Hamilton has created, Coulthard gets stuck between Piquet and Bourdais, damages his suspension and crashes in the wall. If that isn't dangerous than I don't know what is.
Like I said before, everyone has made stupid mistakes this season. Only Kubica deserves the championship.
Do have a look at yourself mate. You're drenched in your own bitterness. I can't believe you had the audacity to deny it earlier!!!Its a pity that BMW decided half way through this season that Ferrari and Mclaren were too strong and they are better off directing majority spending to next seasons car. Kubica tried in vain to convince them that they could do it this season.
Well Brad I think you are wrong here mate, I love my racing and I liked the way Hamilton drove in GP2 and some races in F1 but it has to stay fair. Hamilton has made some very unfair manoeuvres this year, thinking he is the king of the road and now he knows how it feels to be on the receiving end of it.
Maybe he will keep it fair from now on and we get some great racing without controversy.
Indeed, he could have nicked it if BMW had listened to him.
I have never seen Hamilton delibratly punt someone off though.
No driver apart from Schumacher has done that in recent memory but it doesn't mean stupid overtaking attempts that spoil others races should go unpunished.
Maybe Lewis would punt someone off if put in the same situation as Schumi -
Last race of the season, Massa who is behind Lewis by a point in the championship is parallel to Lewis and attempts to overtake him with a few laps to go. Would Lewis attempt to punt him off ?
I'd like to think that Lewis wont sink to the levels of Schumi where winning is everything. But you never really know unless Lewis is in the same situation.
No, he should have chosen secret option number 3, namely take the corner like he did the other 66 times during the race. On the inside. But he couldn't, because he was just as aggressive as the rest of them. Had he concentrated on his own driving instead of Hamiltons, he would have come out of that first corner unscathed and in a good position. Alonso said that everybody in front of him were too aggressive, including himself, and he just laid back and waited it out. That's what Kimi should have done. Hamilton screwed his own start up for himself, but he should not be held accountable for what happens in car number 2.