The F1 Thread 2008 Season

Fantastic atmosphere.

Thanks for the headsup about the earplugs. People beside me were bitching and near tears. Was right about where Raikkonen had his accident.

Too fast for my camera to take any pictures.
 
hamilton is blessed, his car never crashed, score every points in every race.

Not blessed, just good. Schumacher had the same touch, always seem to get a good result when so easily could have been otherwise.

Massa is a hotlapper, over 1 lap probably quickest in F1 but the guy is not a racer, as soon as something goes the wrong way he dissappears. Ferrari missed out bigstyle today, a race they should have got a 1-2, although not all their fault.

And yet again another race where Heikki Kovalainen goes missing.
 
oh now there's a drive through penalty for Massa? Are they doing this on purpose to wind up the conspiracy theorists? A farce.

Credit to Alonso he was the best driver all weekend. He deserved the win.
 
If Hamilton had driven the entire length of the pit lane with half a fuel delivery system hanging from his car the he would have been banned from F1.:mad:
 
Best part about Massa in the pitlane was the McLaren engineers cheering the Ferrari guys to run, piss taking feckers :lol:
 
oh now there's a drive through penalty for Massa? Are they doing this on purpose to wind up the conspiracy theorists? A farce

It's a stone cold example of why we need a team of professional stewards that oversea every race, instead of it being a different set of amateurs each time. The stewards this time made the correct interpretation of the rules. Ignoring the fact he still had a fuel pump attached, he was released into the path of Vettal. Dangerous driving in the pit lane (in this case an unsafe release) is punishable by one of three sanctions, least worst being a drive through penalty. The farce is that that the same offence wasn't punished the same way a few races back. Anyone who tried to argue FOR Massa on that occasion looks a chump

On the Alonso win. A few conspiracy theories knocking about. A small part of me hopes its true, because it would be genius if so! Alonso to pit early despite a grid placing well below his cars race weekend potential, on a track you'd expect there to be limited overtaking... then at that first pit stop piling up with fuel, a few laps before his team mate who was nowhere careered tamely into a wall, a driver error, forcing the safety car out. Cue several rivals suffering stop go's because they had no choice but to pit with the lane closed, and those ahead of Alonso having to pit and ending up behind him. Knowing he has the car behind him, Alonso can drived to the finish. Even in the murky world of F1 I'm sure it was legit, but you'd have to tip your cap if they had pulled that off as a pre determined plan!
 
The farce is that that the same offence wasn't punished the same way a few races back.

Exactly what I meant. They refused to penalise the red car when he won the race but when he's out of the race they give him a now worthless drive through

As opposed to the Mcclaren penalty which was given after Hamilton won the race.

Besides injuring pit crew and sending a car out into an oncoming car, for me, is far worse than overtaking - fairly or not. And Massa's team are repeat offenders. If they were properly punished maybe they would learn.
 
On the Alonso win. A few conspiracy theories knocking about. A small part of me hopes its true, because it would be genius if so! Alonso to pit early despite a grid placing well below his cars race weekend potential, on a track you'd expect there to be limited overtaking... then at that first pit stop piling up with fuel, a few laps before his team mate who was nowhere careered tamely into a wall, a driver error, forcing the safety car out. Cue several rivals suffering stop go's because they had no choice but to pit with the lane closed, and those ahead of Alonso having to pit and ending up behind him. Knowing he has the car behind him, Alonso can drived to the finish. Even in the murky world of F1 I'm sure it was legit, but you'd have to tip your cap if they had pulled that off as a pre determined plan!

I suggested it at post #1033.
Don't forget there's Briatore behind it, the ultimate son of a bitch....
 
The world to a man thought this weekends race was an epic success... except one it seems...

Ferrari furious over Singapore GP


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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7644042.stm

Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo has launched a scathing attack on Sunday's Singapore Grand Prix.

Renault's Fernando Alonso took victory at the Marina Bay circuit but Ferrari drivers Filipe Massa slipped from pole to 13th and Kimi Raikkonen crashed out.

"When we race on tracks which should be used for the circus, anything can happen," he told Gazzetta dello Sport.

"This is humiliating for F1 and it is an aspect I want to talk about with the other teams in the next few weeks."

F1's first night race drew rave reviews from spectators but drivers complained about how bumpy the track was, particularly off the racing line, which made overtaking difficult on a street circuit hemmed in by barriers.

There were two safety car interventions, the first of which turned the race upside down and contributed to Spaniard Alonso's unexpected victory for Renault.

Alonso pitted before the safety car emerged a third of the way into the Grand Prix, which enabled him to tack onto the back of the field under safety car conditions and then go to the front when other drivers pitted when the pit lane was reopened.

Montezemolo, appointed this month as the first chairman of the F1 Teams Association, said before the race that street circuits, with their lack of overtaking opportunities, were not the way forward for the sport.

McLaren chief executive Martin Whitmarsh expects the events in Singapore to prompt a change in the rules relating to when drivers can pit under safety car conditions.

"It will happen I am sure by the start of next year," Whitmarsh told Autosport magazine.

"For people to change now they have to accept they got it hopelessly wrong, and it has to change during the winter."

Ferrari's failure to score any points in Singapore meant McLaren's Lewis Hamilton, who finished third behind Alonso, extended his championship lead over Massa to seven points with three races left.

"It was a bitter day, but there are three races left and I have faith in all of Ferrari's men," said Montezemolo. "We saw that last year in the final race in Brazil.

"Ferrari went through times much more difficult than this. I expect Massa and Raikkonen to always finish first and second in the three remaining races. In any case, ahead of McLaren.

The team president also backed the mechanics who gave Massa the green light during a pit stop despite the fuel hose still being attached to the car as he sped away.

"We have extraordinary mechanics who in other occasions have swung results our way," said Montezemolo.

"We must stay close to each other because Ferrari are always world champions and are still in the running to win."

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Seems his problem is more with street circuits than the timing of the race, though who knows. His word is not one to be listening too if he's defending the pit lane mechanics that have serially let Ferrari down this season

Incidently I saw my old mate from school on the TV sunday, turns out he's a mechanic for Renault, considered by many to be the best in the business. It's not a job I envy him, long hours, stressful work... but it must be a buzz travelling the world competing in sport, especially with F1
 
To be fair to him he was on about the whole overtaking issue before the weekend.

The result won't have helped things mind.
 
The world to a man thought this weekends race was an epic success... except one it seems...

Ferrari furious over Singapore GP


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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7644042.stm

Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo has launched a scathing attack on Sunday's Singapore Grand Prix.

Renault's Fernando Alonso took victory at the Marina Bay circuit but Ferrari drivers Filipe Massa slipped from pole to 13th and Kimi Raikkonen crashed out.

"When we race on tracks which should be used for the circus, anything can happen," he told Gazzetta dello Sport.

"This is humiliating for F1 and it is an aspect I want to talk about with the other teams in the next few weeks."

F1's first night race drew rave reviews from spectators but drivers complained about how bumpy the track was, particularly off the racing line, which made overtaking difficult on a street circuit hemmed in by barriers.

There were two safety car interventions, the first of which turned the race upside down and contributed to Spaniard Alonso's unexpected victory for Renault.

Alonso pitted before the safety car emerged a third of the way into the Grand Prix, which enabled him to tack onto the back of the field under safety car conditions and then go to the front when other drivers pitted when the pit lane was reopened.

Montezemolo, appointed this month as the first chairman of the F1 Teams Association, said before the race that street circuits, with their lack of overtaking opportunities, were not the way forward for the sport.

McLaren chief executive Martin Whitmarsh expects the events in Singapore to prompt a change in the rules relating to when drivers can pit under safety car conditions.

"It will happen I am sure by the start of next year," Whitmarsh told Autosport magazine.

"For people to change now they have to accept they got it hopelessly wrong, and it has to change during the winter."

Ferrari's failure to score any points in Singapore meant McLaren's Lewis Hamilton, who finished third behind Alonso, extended his championship lead over Massa to seven points with three races left.

"It was a bitter day, but there are three races left and I have faith in all of Ferrari's men," said Montezemolo. "We saw that last year in the final race in Brazil.

"Ferrari went through times much more difficult than this. I expect Massa and Raikkonen to always finish first and second in the three remaining races. In any case, ahead of McLaren.

The team president also backed the mechanics who gave Massa the green light during a pit stop despite the fuel hose still being attached to the car as he sped away.

"We have extraordinary mechanics who in other occasions have swung results our way," said Montezemolo.

"We must stay close to each other because Ferrari are always world champions and are still in the running to win."

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Seems his problem is more with street circuits than the timing of the race, though who knows. His word is not one to be listening too if he's defending the pit lane mechanics that have serially let Ferrari down this season

Incidently I saw my old mate from school on the TV sunday, turns out he's a mechanic for Renault, considered by many to be the best in the business. It's not a job I envy him, long hours, stressful work... but it must be a buzz travelling the world competing in sport, especially with F1

cnut
 
Fantastic atmosphere.

Thanks for the headsup about the earplugs. People beside me were bitching and near tears. Was right about where Raikkonen had his accident.

Too fast for my camera to take any pictures.


Bit late but good stuff!

Ffs was supposed to go but was bogged down by fever still bloody sick now.

Was supposed to be at the grandstand opposite the floating platform, had to ask my friend to ask others to go :mad:
 
How about this for an empty corporate gesture! Yeh lets paint our tyre's green, cos that will solve all our environmental woes :rolleyes:

F1 tyres to promote 'green' push


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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7659017.stm

Formula One cars will have the grooves in their tyres painted green in this weekend's Japanese Grand Prix to promote an environmental campaign.

Governing body the FIA is attempting to reduce the impact of motoring on the environment through a promotion called "Make Cars Green".

The campaign is backed by leading F1 teams such as McLaren and Ferrari.

"The campaigns help to show us we can all drive in a greener way," said championship leader Lewis Hamilton.

"The sport can also help in other ways, especially with the launch of new energy-efficient technologies next season."

F1 cars will use kinetic energy recovery systems (Kers) for the first time in 2009, where energy that would otherwise be wasted as heat loss during braking is captured and used during acceleration.

Similar systems, which increase the fuel efficiency of cars, are in use on road cars produced by Toyota, Honda and BMW, among others.

FIA president Max Mosley said: "New rule changes, alongside the support for awareness-raising initiatives such as the Make Cars Green campaign, will change the face of motorsport and place it at the very heart of environmental developments in the automotive sector."

F1 tyres, produced by Japanese company Bridgestone, have four circumferential grooves - and each will be painted green for this weekend's race at Fuji Speedway.

The softer of the two types of tyre - both of which have to be used during the race - will still have the single white stripe on the innermost groove.

The announcement of the decision to use the tyres was accompanied by a statement from bosses of the Honda, Williams and BMW teams of support for a new environmentally sensitive approach to F1.

BMW motorsport director Mario Theissen said: "Devices such as Kers are important in motorsport.

"BMW is in Formula One not just for marketing reasons but also because the F1 programme can create technology synergies and innovations which can be carried over to road car development.

"If you look at what is required by future road cars, fuel economy/CO2 reduction is the top objective right now and for the foreseeable future.

"So it is clear that if we can do something in this area in F1 we will really benefit from it.

"We see a big chance in Kers because in F1 we have an unrivalled development speed.

"We are pushing the envelope on a weekly basis and we can explore unknown territory in a much quicker and more efficient way than a complex road car project.

"We are very sure that Kers will contribute in a big way to future powertrain concepts for road cars.

"In the future my expectation is that the powertrain will change from what we have today with the combustion engine and the gearbox to a complex unit incorporating a smaller combustion engine, an electric motor generator, an electric storage unit, control electronics and probably a very different type of transmission.

"The true innovation will lie in the adaptation of these individual components and the integration into a more efficient powertrain. I think F1 can take the lead in that."
 
Was just reading on that. Farcical really, Honda's car might as well be a tree with all the green on it.
 
Ah just come crappy P.R stunt for Formula One. F1 has had some bad press lately and its a good chance for them with the new technologies coming next season.

On another note BMW announced they'll be keeping the same drivers next year - a team that has come in without too much fuss and been consistently working there way up. It really means that Alonso will be staying at Renault though, I can't see him moving to Honda or Red Bull (who already have Webber & Vettal anyway).
 
Hamilton fastest in FP1, Glock in FP2 but all round it looks close again. But from what I have read Hamilton seems to be really nailing the long runs and looks like it will be a straight fight with the Ferrari's.

Anyone sad enough to get up for both Quali and Race other than me?
 
Hamilton on pole, great lap. Massa ended up 5th with Raikkonen, Kovalainen and Alonso ahead of him.
 
Guess what..............Hamilton under investigation for blocking in Q2. :lol:
 
Lewis was under investigation when Renault complained that he impeded Nelson Piquet. The latest I heard from Fuji was it was turned down, and Lewis keeps his pole because Nelson was not going fast enough to warrant an impeding claim in the first place
 
At the end last season Hamilton was struggeling with the pressure, no such problems this year. Ferrari's are quicker than McClaren this year but they still can't stop Hamilton. Hamilton is probably the quickest driver in motor racing, though it would be interesting Vetel in a fast car.
 
I dont know, what time does it actually start? I might try to get some sleep now quickly!
 
5.30 BST. Which for me, I think makes it 6.30am Swedish time

You could still go either way, get a few hours in before hand, or just stay through. I'm gunna play it by staying up, and taking about 5 hours kip when its done
 
Ah, I have to be up at 10, so in 8 1/2 hours anyway, so not much point going to bed after. So I think I will be off to bed for about 4 hours. Woop woop. O bloody love weekend sport.
 
I'll give Bernie his dues. This night racing idea was a belter. I won't miss having to be up at daft hours to watch this kind of thing!

The sane person would go to sleep earlier and wake up for the race. Which explains why I've gone the other route