The F1 2004 Season thread.

Ralf is an idiot who will be on the dole soon.


Kimi must be annoyed though, he is going through the engines quicker than they can make them. This blow-up was better than most, featuring smoke, a burst of flame, and then a proplonged period of sustained flaming. I would give this one an 8/10 on the Kimiscale, much better than Australia for example when it blew with a whimper. That was 2/10.

JP is the only driver to be able to at least keep Barry in sight. If it wasn't for him the thing would be an even bigger joke. Taku had a good jog too I have to say. When he gets it all together he'll be a decent runner.


Oh yeah, Ralf's a joke.
 
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Bahrain dustbins as trophies.

Ikea will be proud.

Drivers get onto the podium and theyget a wastepaper basket as trophies and apple juice to spray

;)
 
The question is, can Schumacher beat his own record of 11 wins in a season? :D
 
Cal said:
The question is, can Schumacher beat his own record of 11 wins in a season? :D
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bit early for that....so far he has 3. If he gets to 8 or 9 and still has a few races in hand he might do it.

Or they might play pass the parcel with the winners trophy so Barry Robins can get a few more wins. Seeing as he is now far too fat to win his own races.
 
Keane16 said:
bit early for that....so far he has 3. If he gets to 8 or 9 and still has a few races in hand he might do it.

Or they might play pass the parcel with the winners trophy so Barry Robins can get a few more wins. Seeing as he is now far too fat to win his own races.
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I think it's quite likely he'll win more than 11 this year, considering Ferrari are not allowed to tell Schumi to move over to let Barri win nowadays.

What price on "the perfect season"? A little unlikely I guess...
 
Cal said:
Ferrari are not allowed to tell Schumi to move over to let Barri win nowadays.
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Pit Radio
Ross: Rubens, Michael is right behind you
Rubens: thats funny cos' my brake pedal is gone soft
Ross: Shit, really
Rubens: yeah, its really bad, I'm losing a lot of time
Ross: You won't be able to keep Michael behind you
Rubens: I'll try, but he is a very good driver

Michael passes

Rubens: My brakes have improved again
Ross: Thank God for that
Jean: Thanks Ronaldo, er.. I mean Roberto, or no wait Rubens, yep thats it, thanks Rubens.
 
Apparently Gerhard Berger is gonna drive a Lotus around once, but I feel he should carry an Austrian flag as well for his fellow countryman who died on the same weekened as Senna

Back to now and i reckon it's going to be Raikkonen winning the race and Montoya second and M$ 3rd
 
Button on pole, M$ second and Juanker 3rd.

Big surpises are DC 11th, Kimi no time adn REault not doing well.

Well done Button tho, greatt drive, the car looked abstoultey immaculate over the bimps during the lap
 
Jenson is my man - in your face Villenueve.

What the feck is up with the big macs though?
Can't see Bunsen winning - but I can see a bit of Michael V. Juan early on....very early on.
 
MelvinYeo said:
Big surpises are DC 11th, Kimi no time adn REault not doing well.
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what surprises
mclaren have been feckin poor this season
what is it 3rd time kimi has nt been able to record a time
they badly need a new car with a lot more horsepower
 
crappycraperson said:
what surprises
mclaren have been feckin poor this season
what is it 3rd time kimi has nt been able to record a time
they badly need a new car with a lot more horsepower
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DC set a time for 4th in the prequalifying, and Kimi did not even go on a flying lap, installation lapm and he waves goodbye and went to the scruterrrerning bay.

TBH, i reckon Jenson's runnig ultra light, in a bid to conrtol the race, as Imola is a very difficult track to overtake.
 
MelvinYeo said:
DC set a time for 4th in the prequalifying, and Kimi did not even go on a flying lap, installation lapm and he waves goodbye and went to the scruterrrerning bay.

TBH, i reckon Jenson's runnig ultra light, in a bid to conrtol the race, as Imola is a very difficult track to overtake.
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What are you talking about? Imola is one of the easier to overtake. I fully expect Schumi to be running first very soon after the start of the race.
 
Cal said:
What are you talking about? Imola is one of the easier to overtake. I fully expect Schumi to be running first very soon after the start of the race.
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There are very little places for opportunities.

You aren't going to get any overtaking at those idiotic chicanes
 
Cal said:
What are you talking about? Imola is one of the easier to overtake. I fully expect Schumi to be running first very soon after the start of the race.
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the first corner would be dangerous. but i expect Honda powered Bar will go for 3 stopper!
 
MS wins again! :p

1 sec faster than button during the first 2 stint was :eek:

anyway do you think honda more fuel consumption tha ferrari. I expect ferrari to come in first for pits instead of bar and williams. So MS qualifying race yesterday on higher fuel load is awesome.


pity sato. oh kimi got his 1st point. and he needs 39 points more. :lol: :lol:
 
and if anyone catch the post race conference. :lol: :lol: :lol: monty do no favours to himself by bitching about the start. Everyone knows tha MS has the right to defend his racing line. At least Button comments are much better than the whringing monty. :lol:
 
This season is looking more and more like 2002, the only question is how many points will Schumacher win by and how early he'd seal it.

I think he's on for breaking his own record of 11 wins in a year.
 
Montoya slams Schumacher

Juan Pablo Montoya criticised race-winner Michael Schumacher after a controversial incident on the first lap of the San Marino Grand Prix.

Montoya said: "I went to pass him at the hairpin. I'm coming out beside him and the next thing I know he hits me hard enough to put me onto the grass.

"It's very disappointing to have racing like that and I will be surprised if he gets away with it."

Schumacher said: "Obviously I wanted to keep him behind me."

The incident happened at the Tosa hairpin as the two battled for second place behind Jenson Button.

Both men started badly, but Montoya recovered quicker and began pressuring Schumacher at the first of two chicanes on the run down to Tosa.

Montoya said: "Michael made a poor start and was slow out of the first chicane. I went to pass him but he closed the door and I had to back off.

"The same thing happened at the next chicane, so I went for the outside at Tosa.

I understand he has to defend his position but how far can he be allowed to do this?

"He said he didn't see me, he didn't know I was there. He probably forgot to look. I got in front of him before Tosa. He didn't see me? He must be blind or stupid.

"Look at Indianapolis last year - there I was given a drive-through and that cost me the championship.

"I would be champion now - and he gets away with it. The rules are not fair. They should be for Ferrari and everyone else."

Schumacher said: "It was very slippery on my side and I was fighting with Juan.

"It was a bit difficult to keep him behind me. Obviously I wanted to avoid him getting by because I knew I was going to get faster once the first couple of laps got going."

Montoya then got embroiled in a controversy with team-mate Ralf Schumacher, who tried to overtake him on the hill after Tosa.

The Colombian pushed the German on to the grass in his attempts to hold him off.

"I closed the door and closed the door and was able to hold him off," Montoya said.
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didn't watch the race, was it really that bad?
 
Jacqueline_S said:
didn't watch the race, was it really that bad?
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Hardly, they were going pretty slow. Juan tried to go around the outside of Mick at the Tosa hairpin (actually he succeeded), but instead of Mick giving him a cars width of track (as Monty does when fighting and as is fair), he pushed him out onto the kerb, and not being happy with that, he pushed him completely on to the grass. Mick fans say he was 'holding his line' and that the overtaking driver has to cede the racing line if he is not ahead - well guess what, going into the corner Juan was ahead, you can see that from every camera angle they have, he held it round the outside and thus he had the outside line and Mick had the inside line - Mick had no business going to the outside pushing Juan of the road. Actually, he hit hit him and the collison is what threw Juan on to the grass. That was not 'holding his line' - which was on the inside. So, he ran him off the road.

Mick said he didn't see him, which to me proves that he knows the move was a bit dodgy, because you can plainly see him on the in-car shots.

Then, those critical of Juan will say that he ran Ralf off the road a few seconds later, which is rubbish for several reasons. First of all, Ralf is windy and wasn't even alongside Juan, so basically he just moved over which is completely legal. Secondly, Ralf only went on to the grass because he over reacted, there was no contact, or even near contact. Thirdly, Ralf is the biggest moaner on the grid and he doesn't like Juan, but I haven't seen any complaints from him about it.
 
Juanker's a cnut, i really dunno who to defend here really, with two drivers i dont like

;)

Im going to side with M$ here,he had the racing line and there was no clear movment or swerve to block Juanker so i reckon it was ok.

Button was great, pity BAR didn't have the correct strategy to beat kin ferrari.

Kimi picked up his first point but i can't see him in championship contention
 
MelvinYeo said:
Im going to side with M$ here,he had the racing line and there was no clear movment or swerve to block Juanker so i reckon it was ok.
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No one had the racing line, Juan was ahead going into the corner, the line was compromised due to both cars going round the corner together. Just because there was no definate jerky movement to hit Juan doesn't mean he didn't run him off the road - which he did. Leave a car space, leave room on the kerbs only, make them put two wheels on the grass if they really want to fight, just don't blatently hit them and run them off the road. Juan took him by surprise, and not for the first time.
 
Keane16 said:
No one had the racing line, Juan was ahead going into the corner, the line was compromised due to both cars going round the corner together. Just because there was no definate jerky movement to hit Juan doesn't mean he didn't run him off the road - which he did. Leave a car space, leave room on the kerbs only, make them put two wheels on the grass if they really want to fight, just don't blatently hit them and run them off the road. Juan took him by surprise, and not for the first time.
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Juanker was going out the outside, and he was just about on the curbs already, and m$ squeezed him onto the grass with two wheels but not ilegally imo/

The incident later is more clear cut tho, Ralf was an idiot for having all four wheels on the grass
 
MelvinYeo said:
Juanker was going out the outside, and he was just about on the curbs already, and m$ squeezed him onto the grass with two wheels but not ilegally imo/

The incident later is more clear cut tho, Ralf was an idiot for having all four wheels on the grass
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3 things.

1. Nothing wrong with being on the kerbs, its part of the circuit, Mika made a career out of being on the kerbs.

2. Mick didn't squeeze anyone. He hit Juan's car forcing him completely on to the grass. Whether he saw him or not is irrelevant (he did and lied that he didn't), the fact is there was plenty of room for both cars to head up to the Piratella, the only reason they didn't is because Mick drove him off the road. If Mick was being fair, he could have had Juan into the left-hander at the top of the hill, but he chose (holding his line my arse - Montoya was on the outside, then Mick was on the outside, he wasn't holding anything) to hit Montoya instead. He had the race in the bag from about 2 weeks ago, he didn't have to do that. Juan is right to feel aggreived. Problem is, next time he puts the boot in (he hardly needs encouragement), he will remember that Mick is a proven cheater.

3. You are right about Ralf.
 
Keane16 said:
3 things.

1. Nothing wrong with being on the kerbs, its part of the circuit, Mika made a career out of being on the kerbs.

2. Mick didn't squeeze anyone. He hit Juan's car forcing him completely on to the grass. Whether he saw him or not is irrelevant (he did and lied that he didn't), the fact is there was plenty of room for both cars to head up to the Piratella, the only reason they didn't is because Mick drove him off the road. If Mick was being fair, he could have had Juan into the left-hander at the top of the hill, but he chose (holding his line my arse - Montoya was on the outside, then Mick was on the outside, he wasn't holding anything) to hit Montoya instead. He had the race in the bag from about 2 weeks ago, he didn't have to do that. Juan is right to feel aggreived. Problem is, next time he puts the boot in (he hardly needs encouragement), he will remember that Mick is a proven cheater.

3. You are right about Ralf.
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Juanker backed off when M$ tried to hit him, but M$did not make any contact with Juanker.

M$ was squeezing him two wheels oin the grass, on the line racing but both of them got away with it. M$ couldve gone up the hill, yes, but he killed it off there and then, and it's those kind of decisions that make champions. Just look at Senna.


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BTW footage of Ralf hitting a bird
http://f1files.f1news.ru/4-sat-2-ralf.mpg

Similar incident involving Stefan Johansson in 86.
http://home.iprimus.com.au/bushfam/dead fawn.jpg
 
Keane16 said:
Mick hit him alright, no doubt about that.

No point quoting Senna at me - he may be a hero to millions but not to me.
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He didn't make contact as you're trying you say.

Didn't like Senna either, but respect for his amazing speed
 
Keane16 said:
Juan says he hit him, Michael hasn't denied it.
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Tried to hit as far as im concerned

Hit: To come into contact with forcefully; strike: The car hit the guardrail.
 
MelvinYeo said:
Tried to hit as far as im concerned

Hit: To come into contact with forcefully; strike: The car hit the guardrail.
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well he succeeded, but regardless, trying to hit is an offence too. Do you still back Mick even though you just admitted he broke the rules?
 
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well he succeeded, but regardless, trying to hit is an offence too. Do you still back Mick even though you just admitted he broke the rules?
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He was on the line, no more no less.

Juanker done this a couple of times before as well
 
MelvinYeo said:
He was on the line, no more no less.

Juanker done this a couple of times before as well
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If you mean that Monty has stitched a few into Mick you'd be right, for example at the Nurburgring last year, where he tried a similar move and pulled it off without a problem. The cars rubbed on that day too, but Mick was far too shocked to do anything about it. He was ready this time though....

I don't get this 'on the line' argument. Mick was on the inside line for the corner, the inside of the two cars that is, and Monty was outside, how is Mick barging Juan off the track (whilst changing to the outside line) holding the line. If you are thinking of the classic racing line of a car circulating on its own, you are wrong. Two cars went into the corner side by side, the pure racing line goes out the window in that case, otherwise every overtaking move would be an accident.
 
Keane16 said:
If you mean that Monty has stitched a few into Mick you'd be right, for example at the Nurburgring last year, where he tried a similar move and pulled it off without a problem. The cars rubbed on that day too, but Mick was far too shocked to do anything about it. He was ready this time though....

I don't get this 'on the line' argument. Mick was on the inside line for the corner, the inside of the two cars that is, and Monty was outside, how is Mick barging Juan off the track (whilst changing to the outside line) holding the line. If you are thinking of the classic racing line of a car circulating on its own, you are wrong. Two cars went into the corner side by side, the pure racing line goes out the window in that case, otherwise every overtaking move would be an accident.
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to answer your question, I think (hopefully) could sum it up. when turning into a corner any car needs speed and turning angle. Since F1 car has a small turning angle than most normal car so we don't except them to have two full lock of their steering wheel for turing a corner.

So a car on the inside have to turn more than the car outside. but in the case of that incident, where a car apporached at a high speed turning on the inside is already the limit for that speed which explained why the whole car will move towards the outside as momentum carries the car on.

however for the car on the outside(monty), the same cannot be applied because the car on the outside need to turn less to make the corner as compared to the car inside. So Monty should have know about it.

If the driver see the car on the inside doesn't slow down when apporaching the turn, he must react period.

so that's why you always see a F1 car if driving in a straight at high speed before turning left or right they have to adjust the position before making a turn to compensate the turning ratio.
 
Keane16 said:
Hardly, they were going pretty slow. Juan tried to go around the outside of Mick at the Tosa hairpin (actually he succeeded), but instead of Mick giving him a cars width of track (as Monty does when fighting and as is fair), he pushed him out onto the kerb, and not being happy with that, he pushed him completely on to the grass. Mick fans say he was 'holding his line' and that the overtaking driver has to cede the racing line if he is not ahead - well guess what, going into the corner Juan was ahead, you can see that from every camera angle they have, he held it round the outside and thus he had the outside line and Mick had the inside line - Mick had no business going to the outside pushing Juan of the road. Actually, he hit hit him and the collison is what threw Juan on to the grass. That was not 'holding his line' - which was on the inside. So, he ran him off the road.

Mick said he didn't see him, which to me proves that he knows the move was a bit dodgy, because you can plainly see him on the in-car shots.

Then, those critical of Juan will say that he ran Ralf off the road a few seconds later, which is rubbish for several reasons. First of all, Ralf is windy and wasn't even alongside Juan, so basically he just moved over which is completely legal. Secondly, Ralf only went on to the grass because he over reacted, there was no contact, or even near contact. Thirdly, Ralf is the biggest moaner on the grid and he doesn't like Juan, but I haven't seen any complaints from him about it.
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can see clearly, the cameraman didn't 'focus' on the Schumacher + Juan's part, I just saw the 2 cars 'collided' ...and the commentator just shouted 'oh...' that's it... no replays... :(
 
Keane16 said:
If you mean that Monty has stitched a few into Mick you'd be right, for example at the Nurburgring last year, where he tried a similar move and pulled it off without a problem. The cars rubbed on that day too, but Mick was far too shocked to do anything about it. He was ready this time though....

I don't get this 'on the line' argument. Mick was on the inside line for the corner, the inside of the two cars that is, and Monty was outside, how is Mick barging Juan off the track (whilst changing to the outside line) holding the line. If you are thinking of the classic racing line of a car circulating on its own, you are wrong. Two cars went into the corner side by side, the pure racing line goes out the window in that case, otherwise every overtaking move would be an accident.
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Brazil 02 rings a bell?
 
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