The Double Draft

Looking forward to tomorrow's session. Tons of players to throw cash at still. Or boots, for that matter.
 
Goalkeepers
Dino Zoff - joga - 11:12 - 20m
Oblak - P-Nut0712 - 13:51 - 35m
Leno- Enigma - 14:20- 35m
ter Stegen - Tuppet - 14:30 - 37m
Rico - Raees - 15:20 - 30m
Buffon- DavidG- 16:05- 24m
Banks - Marty1968 - 17:25 - 22m
Schmeichel - harms - 17:31 - 25m

Defenders
Koeman - harms - 11:00 - 20 m
Maicon - P-Nut0712 - 11:21 - 10m
Vasovic - joga - 11.33 - 20m
Zambrotta - Raees - 12:10 - 10m
D. Da Guia - Raees - 12:11 - 20m
L.King - P-Nut0712 - 12:45 - 10m
Vidic- Sjor - 14:57 - 43m
Ruggeri - Tuppet - 15:49 - 34m
Bossis - Enigma - 15:55 - 24m
Gerets- Sjor - 16:04- 30m
Lizarazu - Raees - 14:35 - 55m
Ferrara - Invictus - 16:50 - 25m
Cabrini - Skizzo/Pat - 17:11 - 80m
Marzolini - Tuppet - 17:19 - 27m
A. Cole - P-Nut0712- 17:54 - 30m
L. Junior - harms - 18:18 - 25m
Stam - joga - 18:28 - 35m
Varane - marty1968- 18:41 - 22m

Midfielders
Kante - harms - 11:00 - 30 m
Liedholm - Raees - 11:09 - 20m
Mascherano - P-Nut0712 - 11:46 - 15m
Rattin - Downcast - 12:30 - 20m
Souness - Tuppet - 13:30 - 20m
Albertini - Chester - 13:39 - 10m
Nedved - DavidG - 14:59 85m
Kroos - Cal? - 17:39 - 40m
Scholes - P-Nut0712 - 17:54 - 22m
Luis Enrique - Sjor - 18:03 - 17m
Seedorf - marty1968 18:43 - 32m
Attackers
Piola - Raees - 11:08 - 20m
Elkjaer - SJor - 14:41 - 10m
J.M. Moreno - DavidG- 15:08 30m
Zlatan - Cal? - 16:46 - 15m
Shevchenko - Downcast - 17:05 - 25m
Tostao - Enigma - 17:33 - 14m
G. Meazza - Enigma- 17:21 - 26m
L. Suarez - P-Nut0712 - 17:55 - 30m
Totti - P-Nut0712 - 17:55 - 30m
Pedernera - Skizzo/Pat - 18:18 - 22m
Law - marty1968 - 18:46 - 32m


@P-Nut0712 @Enigma_87
@Chesterlestreet
 
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Goalkeepers
Dino Zoff - joga - 11:12 - 20m
Oblak - P-Nut0712 - 13:51 - 35m
Leno- Enigma - 14:20- 35m
ter Stegen - Tuppet - 14:30 - 37m
Rico - Raees - 15:20 - 30m
Banks - Marty1968 - 17:25 - 22m
Schmeichel - harms - 17:31 - 25m
Buffon - Cal? - 18:47 - 26m

Defenders
Koeman - harms - 11:00 - 20 m
Maicon - P-Nut0712 - 11:21 - 10m
Vasovic - joga - 11.33 - 20m
D. Da Guia - Raees - 12:11 - 20m
L.King - P-Nut0712 - 12:45 - 10m
Vidic- Sjor - 14:57 - 43m
Ruggeri - Tuppet - 15:49 - 34m
Bossis - Enigma - 15:55 - 24m
Gerets- Sjor - 16:04- 30m
Lizarazu - Raees - 14:35 - 55m
Ferrara - Invictus - 16:50 - 25m
Cabrini - Skizzo/Pat - 17:11 - 80m
Marzolini - Tuppet - 17:19 - 27m
A. Cole - P-Nut0712- 17:54 - 30m
L. Junior - harms - 18:18 - 25m
Stam - joga - 18:28 - 35m
Varane - marty1968- 18:41 - 22m
Zambrotta - Cal? - 18:47 - 13m

Midfielders
Kante - harms - 11:00 - 30 m
Liedholm - Raees - 11:09 - 20m
Rattin - Downcast - 12:30 - 20m
Souness - Tuppet - 13:30 - 20m
Albertini - Chester - 13:39 - 10m
Nedved - DavidG - 14:59 85m
Kroos - Cal? - 17:39 - 40m
Scholes - P-Nut0712 - 17:54 - 22m
Luis Enrique - Sjor - 18:03 - 17m
Seedorf - marty1968 18:43 - 32m
Mascherano - Cal? - 18:47 - 17m

Attackers
Law - Chester - 11:03 - 30 m
Piola - Raees - 11:08 - 20m
Elkjaer - SJor - 14:41 - 10m
J.M. Moreno - DavidG- 15:08 30m
Zlatan - Cal? - 16:46 - 15m
Shevchenko - Downcast - 17:05 - 25m
Tostao - Enigma - 17:33 - 14m
G. Meazza - Enigma- 17:21 - 26m
L. Suarez - P-Nut0712 - 17:55 - 30m
Totti - P-Nut0712 - 17:55 - 30m
Pedernera - Skizzo/Pat - 18:18 - 22m

@DavidG @Raees @P-Nut0712
 
Goalkeepers
Dino Zoff - joga - 11:12 - 20m
Oblak - P-Nut0712 - 13:51 - 35m
Leno- Enigma - 14:20- 35m
ter Stegen - Tuppet - 14:30 - 37m
Rico - Raees - 15:20 - 30m
Banks - Marty1968 - 17:25 - 22m
Schmeichel - harms - 17:31 - 25m
Buffon - Cal? - 18:47 - 26m

Defenders
Koeman - harms - 11:00 - 20 m
Maicon - P-Nut0712 - 11:21 - 10m
Vasovic - joga - 11.33 - 20m
D. Da Guia - Raees - 12:11 - 20m
L.King - P-Nut0712 - 12:45 - 10m
Vidic- Sjor - 14:57 - 43m
Ruggeri - Tuppet - 15:49 - 34m
Bossis - Enigma - 15:55 - 24m
Gerets- Sjor - 16:04- 30m
Lizarazu - Raees - 14:35 - 55m
Ferrara - Invictus - 16:50 - 25m
Cabrini - Skizzo/Pat - 17:11 - 80m
Marzolini - Tuppet - 17:19 - 27m
A. Cole - P-Nut0712- 17:54 - 30m
L. Junior - harms - 18:18 - 25m
Stam - joga - 18:28 - 35m
Varane - marty1968- 18:41 - 22m
Zambrotta - Cal? - 18:47 - 13m

Midfielders
Kante - harms - 11:00 - 30 m
Liedholm - Raees - 11:09 - 20m
Rattin - Downcast - 12:30 - 20m
Souness - Tuppet - 13:30 - 20m
Albertini - Chester - 13:39 - 10m
Nedved - DavidG - 14:59 85m
Kroos - Cal? - 17:39 - 40m
Scholes - P-Nut0712 - 17:54 - 22m
Luis Enrique - Sjor - 18:03 - 17m
Seedorf - marty1968 18:43 - 32m
Mascherano - Cal? - 18:47 - 17m

Attackers
Piola - Raees - 11:08 - 20m
Elkjaer - SJor - 14:41 - 10m
J.M. Moreno - DavidG- 15:08 30m
Zlatan - Cal? - 16:46 - 15m
Shevchenko - Downcast - 17:05 - 25m
Tostao - Enigma - 17:33 - 14m
G. Meazza - Enigma- 17:21 - 26m
L. Suarez - P-Nut0712 - 17:55 - 30m
Totti - P-Nut0712 - 17:55 - 30m
Pedernera - Skizzo/Pat - 18:18 - 22m
Law - Chester - 18:53 - 34 m

@Marty1968
 
Goalkeepers
Dino Zoff - joga - 11:12 - 20m
Oblak - P-Nut0712 - 13:51 - 35m
Leno- Enigma - 14:20- 35m
ter Stegen - Tuppet - 14:30 - 37m
Rico - Raees - 15:20 - 30m
Banks - Marty1968 - 17:25 - 22m
Schmeichel - harms - 17:31 - 25m
Buffon - Cal? - 18:47 - 26m

Defenders
Koeman - harms - 11:00 - 20 m
Maicon - P-Nut0712 - 11:21 - 10m
Vasovic - joga - 11.33 - 20m
D. Da Guia - Raees - 12:11 - 20m
L.King - P-Nut0712 - 12:45 - 10m
Vidic- Sjor - 14:57 - 43m
Ruggeri - Tuppet - 15:49 - 34m
Bossis - Enigma - 15:55 - 24m
Gerets- Sjor - 16:04- 30m
Lizarazu - Raees - 14:35 - 55m
Ferrara - Invictus - 16:50 - 25m
Cabrini - Skizzo/Pat - 17:11 - 80m
Marzolini - Tuppet - 17:19 - 27m
A. Cole - P-Nut0712- 17:54 - 30m
L. Junior - harms - 18:18 - 25m
Stam - joga - 18:28 - 35m
Varane - marty1968- 18:41 - 22m
Zambrotta - Cal? - 18:47 - 13m

Midfielders
Kante - harms - 11:00 - 30 m
Liedholm - Raees - 11:09 - 20m
Rattin - Downcast - 12:30 - 20m
Souness - Tuppet - 13:30 - 20m
Albertini - Chester - 13:39 - 10m
Nedved - DavidG - 14:59 85m
Kroos - Cal? - 17:39 - 40m
Scholes - P-Nut0712 - 17:54 - 22m
Luis Enrique - Sjor - 18:03 - 17m
Mascherano - Cal? - 18:47 - 17m
Seedorf - Enigma - 18:55 - 34m

Attackers
Piola - Raees - 11:08 - 20m
Elkjaer - SJor - 14:41 - 10m
J.M. Moreno - DavidG- 15:08 30m
Zlatan - Cal? - 16:46 - 15m
Shevchenko - Downcast - 17:05 - 25m
Tostao - Enigma - 17:33 - 14m
G. Meazza - Enigma- 17:21 - 26m
L. Suarez - P-Nut0712 - 17:55 - 30m
Totti - P-Nut0712 - 17:55 - 30m
Pedernera - Skizzo/Pat - 18:18 - 22m
Law - Chester - 18:53 - 34 m

@Marty1968
 
Goalkeepers
Dino Zoff - joga - 11:12 - 20m
Oblak - P-Nut0712 - 13:51 - 35m
Leno- Enigma - 14:20- 35m
ter Stegen - Tuppet - 14:30 - 37m
Rico - Raees - 15:20 - 30m
Banks - Marty1968 - 17:25 - 22m
Schmeichel - harms - 17:31 - 25m
Buffon - DavidG - 18:58- 28m

Defenders
Koeman - harms - 11:00 - 20 m
Maicon - P-Nut0712 - 11:21 - 10m
Vasovic - joga - 11.33 - 20m
D. Da Guia - Raees - 12:11 - 20m
L.King - P-Nut0712 - 12:45 - 10m
Vidic- Sjor - 14:57 - 43m
Ruggeri - Tuppet - 15:49 - 34m
Bossis - Enigma - 15:55 - 24m
Gerets- Sjor - 16:04- 30m
Lizarazu - Raees - 14:35 - 55m
Ferrara - Invictus - 16:50 - 25m
Cabrini - Skizzo/Pat - 17:11 - 80m
Marzolini - Tuppet - 17:19 - 27m
A. Cole - P-Nut0712- 17:54 - 30m
L. Junior - harms - 18:18 - 25m
Stam - joga - 18:28 - 35m
Varane - marty1968- 18:41 - 22m
Zambrotta - Cal? - 18:47 - 13m

Midfielders
Kante - harms - 11:00 - 30 m
Liedholm - Raees - 11:09 - 20m
Rattin - Downcast - 12:30 - 20m
Souness - Tuppet - 13:30 - 20m
Albertini - Chester - 13:39 - 10m
Nedved - DavidG - 14:59 85m
Kroos - Cal? - 17:39 - 40m
Scholes - P-Nut0712 - 17:54 - 22m
Luis Enrique - Sjor - 18:03 - 17m
Mascherano - Cal? - 18:47 - 17m
Seedorf - Enigma - 18:55 - 34m

Attackers
Piola - Raees - 11:08 - 20m
Elkjaer - SJor - 14:41 - 10m
J.M. Moreno - DavidG- 15:08 30m
Zlatan - Cal? - 16:46 - 15m
Shevchenko - Downcast - 17:05 - 25m
Tostao - Enigma - 17:33 - 14m
G. Meazza - Enigma- 17:21 - 26m
L. Suarez - P-Nut0712 - 17:55 - 30m
Totti - P-Nut0712 - 17:55- 30m
Law- Chester-18:53- 34m
Pedernera- DavidG- 18:58- 24m


@Cal? BUFFON
@Skizzo @Pat_Mustard PEDERNERA
 
Goalkeepers
Dino Zoff - joga - 11:12 - 20m
Oblak - P-Nut0712 - 13:51 - 35m
Leno- Enigma - 14:20- 35m
ter Stegen - Tuppet - 14:30 - 37m
Rico - Raees - 15:20 - 30m
Banks - Marty1968 - 17:25 - 22m
Schmeichel - harms - 17:31 - 25m
Buffon - DavidG - 18:58 - 28m

Defenders
Koeman - harms - 11:00 - 20 m
Maicon - P-Nut0712 - 11:21 - 10m
Vasovic - joga - 11.33 - 20m
D. Da Guia - Raees - 12:11 - 20m
L.King - P-Nut0712 - 12:45 - 10m
Vidic- Sjor - 14:57 - 43m
Ruggeri - Tuppet - 15:49 - 34m
Bossis - Enigma - 15:55 - 24m
Gerets- Sjor - 16:04- 30m
Lizarazu - Raees - 14:35 - 55m
Ferrara - Invictus - 16:50 - 25m
Cabrini - Skizzo/Pat - 17:11 - 80m
Marzolini - Tuppet - 17:19 - 27m
Varane - marty1968- 18:41 - 22m
Zambrotta - Cal? - 18:47 - 13m
A. Cole - ctp - 19:01 - 35m
L. Junior - ctp - 19:01 - 30m
Stam - ctp - 19:01 - 40m

Midfielders
Kante - harms - 11:00 - 30 m
Liedholm - Raees - 11:09 - 20m
Rattin - Downcast - 12:30 - 20m
Souness - Tuppet - 13:30 - 20m
Albertini - Chester - 13:39 - 10m
Nedved - DavidG - 14:59 85m
Kroos - Cal? - 17:39 - 40m
Scholes - P-Nut0712 - 17:54 - 22m
Luis Enrique - Sjor - 18:03 - 17m
Mascherano - Cal? - 18:47 - 17m
Seedorf - Enigma - 18:55 - 34m

Attackers
Piola - Raees - 11:08 - 20m
Elkjaer - SJor - 14:41 - 10m
J.M. Moreno - DavidG- 15:08 30m
Zlatan - Cal? - 16:46 - 15m
Shevchenko - Downcast - 17:05 - 25m
Tostao - Enigma - 17:33 - 14m
G. Meazza - Enigma- 17:21 - 26m
L. Suarez - P-Nut0712 - 17:55 - 30m
Totti - P-Nut0712 - 17:55 - 30m
Law - Chester - 18:53 - 34 m
Pedernera - DavidG - 18:58 - 24m

@P-Nut0712 @harms @Joga Bonito
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Don't get ter Stegen and Rico bids. Imo, they are more likely to have negative impact in mathes considering they may face a GOAT striker.
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I think it's two things. One, you don't have to play an inferior young outfield player in a far more important role, especially in a draft, and two, the difference between the GOATs and just very good players is much smaller with goalkeepers. Having Buffon or Sergio Rico in goal, most likely won't impact the result in most matches.

A goalkeeper's impact is probably better measured over a whole season, they are rarely matchwinners in an individual game.
 
ctp said:
I think it's two things. One, you don't have to play an inferior young outfield player in a far more important role, especially in a draft, and two, the difference between the GOATs and just very good players is much smaller with goalkeepers. Having Buffon or Sergio Rico in goal, most likely won't impact the result in most matches.
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Esp when you have goat defense in front of them. Even without them, GKs are inherently less problematic, See Sergio Romero reaching 3 international tournament finals and not conceding in normal time in either of them, without even a great defense in front of him.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Don't get ter Stegen and Rico bids. Imo, they are more likely to have negative impact in mathes considering they may face a GOAT striker.
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I do get it, although Rico is a bit of a gamble in sense that he hasn't been around that much. Still a Courtois, Leno, Ter Stegen, Oblak although still young are the top keepers around today. It's not like they are sheep or something.

Sure they don't stack on the same level as the greats, but so wouldn't the outfield players against DoF. Sure if the opposition keeper is Zoff or Buffon you'll have a disadvantage on goal but most likely you'll have advantage somewhere else which balances it out.

The price on all is a bit too steep sure, I expected they'd go for 30, or 30 something at best.
 
I get the keeper > outfield player logic. But surely the line has to be drawn somewhere. If not, the old "might as well throw a sack of beans between the sticks" truth is in danger of becoming a sheer parody. This is an all-time draft - other managers sport the likes of Banks back there, that has to count for something.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
I get the keeper > outfield player logic. But surely the line has to be drawn somewhere. If not, the old "might as well throw a sack of beans between the sticks" truth is in danger of becoming a sheer parody. This is an all-time draft - other managers sport the likes of Banks back there, that has to count for something.
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Totally. Lesser Gks are disadvantages, just less disadvantages than lesser outfield players is what I mean.
 
The 'youth factor' means EAP did want to introduce the future GOATS, no?
EAP was aware of that risk before chester acquired the 1st 'youth GK'
 
The way I look at it is , how many goals do these keepers concede playing most weeks against pretty average / shit players . And how do they do in the games where they play v Messi/ Ronaldo / lewandowski etc. Now add the GOAT strikers and midfielders . For me , it can't end well other than De Gea.
 
Goalkeepers
Dino Zoff - joga - 11:12 - 20m
Oblak - P-Nut0712 - 13:51 - 35m
Leno- Enigma - 14:20- 35m
ter Stegen - Tuppet - 14:30 - 37m
Rico - Raees - 15:20 - 30m
Banks - Marty1968 - 17:25 - 22m
Schmeichel - harms - 17:31 - 25m
Buffon - DavidG - 18:58 - 28m

Defenders
Koeman - harms - 11:00 - 20 m
Maicon - P-Nut0712 - 11:21 - 10m
Vasovic - joga - 11.33 - 20m
D. Da Guia - Raees - 12:11 - 20m
L.King - P-Nut0712 - 12:45 - 10m
Vidic- Sjor - 14:57 - 43m
Ruggeri - Tuppet - 15:49 - 34m
Bossis - Enigma - 15:55 - 24m
Gerets- Sjor - 16:04- 30m
Lizarazu - Raees - 14:35 - 55m
Cabrini - Skizzo/Pat - 17:11 - 80m
Marzolini - Tuppet - 17:19 - 27m
Varane - marty1968- 18:41 - 22m
Zambrotta - Cal? - 18:47 - 13m
A. Cole - ctp - 19:01 - 35m
L. Junior - ctp - 19:01 - 30m
Stam - ctp - 19:01 - 40m
Ferrara - joga - 19:21 - 30m

Midfielders
Kante - harms - 11:00 - 30 m
Liedholm - Raees - 11:09 - 20m
Rattin - Downcast - 12:30 - 20m
Souness - Tuppet - 13:30 - 20m
Albertini - Chester - 13:39 - 10m
Nedved - DavidG - 14:59 85m
Kroos - Cal? - 17:39 - 40m
Scholes - P-Nut0712 - 17:54 - 22m
Luis Enrique - Sjor - 18:03 - 17m
Mascherano - Cal? - 18:47 - 17m
Seedorf - Enigma - 18:55 - 34m

Attackers
Piola - Raees - 11:08 - 20m
Elkjaer - SJor - 14:41 - 10m
J.M. Moreno - DavidG- 15:08 30m
Zlatan - Cal? - 16:46 - 15m
Shevchenko - Downcast - 17:05 - 25m
Tostao - Enigma - 17:33 - 14m
G. Meazza - Enigma- 17:21 - 26m
L. Suarez - P-Nut0712 - 17:55 - 30m
Totti - P-Nut0712 - 17:55 - 30m
Law - Chester - 18:53 - 34 m
Pedernera - DavidG - 18:58 - 24m

@Invictus
 
DavidG said:
The way I look at it is , how many goals do these keepers concede playing most weeks against pretty average / shit players . And how do they do in the games where they play v Messi/ Ronaldo / lewandowski etc. Now add the GOAT strikers and midfielders . For me , it can't end well other than De Gea.
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Goals conceded hardly depends only on the keeper though, the defense and midfield plays a huge role, other wise Valdes would have been the greatest keeper of our generation.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
I get the keeper > outfield player logic. But surely the line has to be drawn somewhere. If not, the old "might as well throw a sack of beans between the sticks" truth is in danger of becoming a sheer parody. This is an all-time draft - other managers sport the likes of Banks back there, that has to count for something.
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As I said, you lose an edge somewhere else but gain an edge on goal. It also depends on how much pressure will the keeper soak as well, so it depends on formation, tactics game plan and so forth.

Take possibly the best three sides ever - Barcelona in the last decade, Sacchi's Milan and Brazil 1970. Are those picked here irrelevant to Valdes, Felix and Galli ?

For a first round I think they are good enough, they will require upgrade later on of course.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
But here, both teams are apt to sport some top defenders, which makes the Keeper's job more crucial as he could be the tipping point.
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The other team must be sporting a weaker youth player somewhere though (unless its Chester), just depends on who would be the tipping point as per the tactic. A keeper is also easy to hide behind a goat defense, much more than say a defender or midfielder. Anyway I'll argue in the match thread if I lend my youth keeper. It is an intriguing debate though.
 
Goalkeepers
Dino Zoff - joga - 11:12 - 20m
Oblak - P-Nut0712 - 13:51 - 35m
Leno- Enigma - 14:20- 35m
ter Stegen - Tuppet - 14:30 - 37m
Rico - Raees - 15:20 - 30m
Banks - Marty1968 - 17:25 - 22m
Schmeichel - harms - 17:31 - 25m
Buffon - DavidG - 18:58 - 28m

Defenders
Koeman - harms - 11:00 - 20 m
Maicon - P-Nut0712 - 11:21 - 10m
Vasovic - joga - 11.33 - 20m
D. Da Guia - Raees - 12:11 - 20m
L.King - P-Nut0712 - 12:45 - 10m
Vidic- Sjor - 14:57 - 43m
Ruggeri - Tuppet - 15:49 - 34m
Bossis - Enigma - 15:55 - 24m
Gerets- Sjor - 16:04- 30m
Lizarazu - Raees - 14:35 - 55m
Cabrini - Skizzo/Pat - 17:11 - 80m
Marzolini - Tuppet - 17:19 - 27m
Varane - marty1968- 18:41 - 22m
Zambrotta - Cal? - 18:47 - 13m
A. Cole - ctp - 19:01 - 35m
L. Junior - ctp - 19:01 - 30m
Stam - ctp - 19:01 - 40m
Ferrara - joga - 19:21 - 30m

Midfielders
Kante - harms - 11:00 - 30 m
Liedholm - Raees - 11:09 - 20m
Rattin - Downcast - 12:30 - 20m
Albertini - Chester - 13:39 - 10m
Nedved - DavidG - 14:59 85m
Kroos - Cal? - 17:39 - 40m
Scholes - P-Nut0712 - 17:54 - 22m
Luis Enrique - Sjor - 18:03 - 17m
Mascherano - Cal? - 18:47 - 17m
Seedorf - Enigma - 18:55 - 34m
Souness - joga - 19:32 - 24m

Attackers
Piola - Raees - 11:08 - 20m
Elkjaer - SJor - 14:41 - 10m
J.M. Moreno - DavidG- 15:08 30m
Zlatan - Cal? - 16:46 - 15m
Shevchenko - Downcast - 17:05 - 25m
Tostao - Enigma - 17:33 - 14m
G. Meazza - Enigma- 17:21 - 26m
L. Suarez - P-Nut0712 - 17:55 - 30m
Totti - P-Nut0712 - 17:55 - 30m
Law - Chester - 18:53 - 34 m
Pedernera - DavidG - 18:58 - 24m

@Tuppet
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
But here, both teams are apt to sport some top defenders, which makes the Keeper's job more crucial as he could be the tipping point.
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But how often does that actually happen? How many "unsaveables" do even the best keepers save in a season? How many basic errors that lead to goals do good keepers commit that the GOATs wouldn't? The difference just isn't all that big over one or just a few games.
 
Goalkeepers
Dino Zoff - joga - 11:12 - 20m
Oblak - P-Nut0712 - 13:51 - 35m
Leno- Enigma - 14:20- 35m
ter Stegen - Tuppet - 14:30 - 37m
Rico - Raees - 15:20 - 30m
Banks - Marty1968 - 17:25 - 22m
Schmeichel - harms - 17:31 - 25m
Buffon - DavidG - 18:58 - 28m

Defenders
Koeman - harms - 11:00 - 20 m
Maicon - P-Nut0712 - 11:21 - 10m
Vasovic - joga - 11.33 - 20m
D. Da Guia - Raees - 12:11 - 20m
L.King - P-Nut0712 - 12:45 - 10m
Vidic- Sjor - 14:57 - 43m
Ruggeri - Tuppet - 15:49 - 34m
Bossis - Enigma - 15:55 - 24m
Gerets- Sjor - 16:04- 30m
Lizarazu - Raees - 14:35 - 55m
Cabrini - Skizzo/Pat - 17:11 - 80m
Marzolini - Tuppet - 17:19 - 27m
Varane - marty1968- 18:41 - 22m
Zambrotta - Cal? - 18:47 - 13m
A. Cole - ctp - 19:01 - 35m
L. Junior - ctp - 19:01 - 30m
Stam - ctp - 19:01 - 40m
Ferrara - joga - 19:21 - 30m

Midfielders
Kante - harms - 11:00 - 30 m
Liedholm - Raees - 11:09 - 20m
Rattin - Downcast - 12:30 - 20m
Albertini - Chester - 13:39 - 10m
Nedved - DavidG - 14:59 85m
Kroos - Cal? - 17:39 - 40m
Scholes - P-Nut0712 - 17:54 - 22m
Luis Enrique - Sjor - 18:03 - 17m
Mascherano - Cal? - 18:47 - 17m
Seedorf - Enigma - 18:55 - 34m
Souness - Tuppet - 19:32 - 26m

Attackers
Piola - Raees - 11:08 - 20m
Elkjaer - SJor - 14:41 - 10m
J.M. Moreno - DavidG- 15:08 30m
Zlatan - Cal? - 16:46 - 15m
Shevchenko - Downcast - 17:05 - 25m
Tostao - Enigma - 17:33 - 14m
G. Meazza - Enigma- 17:21 - 26m
L. Suarez - P-Nut0712 - 17:55 - 30m
Totti - P-Nut0712 - 17:55 - 30m
Law - Chester - 18:53 - 34 m
Pedernera - DavidG - 18:58 - 24m

@Joga Bonito
 
Enigma_87 said:
Take possibly the best three sides ever - Barcelona in the last decade, Sacchi's Milan and Brazil 1970. Are those picked here irrelevant to Valdes, Felix and Galli ?
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It's the other side of the argument...Imagine you are facing one of those side with a weak GK. Your opponent will defo have a GOAT forward/midfield.

Downcast said:
The 'youth factor' means EAP did want to introduce the future GOATS, no?
EAP was aware of that risk before chester acquired the 1st 'youth GK'
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The intention of youth factor was to ensure all teams had a Hazard or Reus type player in them. Not just extremes in Neymar and Rico with nothing inbetween.
But then, I should have made the rules a bit more specific too.
 
De Gea, Courtois and maybe Oblak, that where i would have draw the line with young gk as they are among the best in the world. Dont want to criticize someones pick but there are some shocking picks out there, especially when you consider the price....
 
ctp said:
But how often does that actually happen? How many "unsaveables" do even the best keepers save in a season? How many basic errors that lead to goals do good keepers commit that the GOATs wouldn't? The difference just isn't all that big over one or just a few games.
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In real life these GKs are still yet to make a name of themselves and I'm curious to see what argument can be made in an all-time context.

But then I do recall someone playing a Sheep keeper in draft before and it was accepted as normal.
 
Goalkeepers
Dino Zoff - joga - 11:12 - 20m
Oblak - P-Nut0712 - 13:51 - 35m
Leno- Enigma - 14:20- 35m
ter Stegen - Tuppet - 14:30 - 37m
Rico - Raees - 15:20 - 30m
Banks - Marty1968 - 17:25 - 22m
Schmeichel - harms - 17:31 - 25m
Buffon - DavidG - 18:58 - 28m

Defenders
Koeman - harms - 11:00 - 20 m
Maicon - P-Nut0712 - 11:21 - 10m
Vasovic - joga - 11.33 - 20m
D. Da Guia - Raees - 12:11 - 20m
L.King - P-Nut0712 - 12:45 - 10m
Vidic- Sjor - 14:57 - 43m
Ruggeri - Tuppet - 15:49 - 34m
Bossis - Enigma - 15:55 - 24m
Gerets- Sjor - 16:04- 30m
Lizarazu - Raees - 14:35 - 55m
Cabrini - Skizzo/Pat - 17:11 - 80m
Marzolini - Tuppet - 17:19 - 27m
Varane - marty1968- 18:41 - 22m
Zambrotta - Cal? - 18:47 - 13m
A. Cole - ctp - 19:01 - 35m
L. Junior - ctp - 19:01 - 30m
Stam - ctp - 19:01 - 40m
Ferrara - joga - 19:21 - 30m

Midfielders
Kante - harms - 11:00 - 30 m
Liedholm - Raees - 11:09 - 20m
Rattin - Downcast - 12:30 - 20m
Albertini - Chester - 13:39 - 10m
Nedved - DavidG - 14:59 85m
Kroos - Cal? - 17:39 - 40m
Scholes - P-Nut0712 - 17:54 - 22m
Luis Enrique - Sjor - 18:03 - 17m
Mascherano - Cal? - 18:47 - 17m
Seedorf - Enigma - 18:55 - 34m
Souness - Tuppet - 19:32 - 26m

Attackers
Piola - Raees - 11:08 - 20m
Elkjaer - SJor - 14:41 - 10m
J.M. Moreno - DavidG- 15:08 30m
Zlatan - Cal? - 16:46 - 15m
Shevchenko - Downcast - 17:05 - 25m
Tostao - Enigma - 17:33 - 14m
G. Meazza - Enigma- 17:21 - 26m
L. Suarez - P-Nut0712 - 17:55 - 30m
Totti - Raees - 16:02 - 30m
Law - Chester - 18:53 - 34 m
Pedernera - DavidG - 18:58 - 24m
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
The intention of youth factor was to ensure all teams had a Hazard or Reus type player in them. Not just extremes in Neymar and Rico with nothing inbetween.
But then, I should have made the rules a bit more specific too.
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In this case, you may have said " player aged between 23 and 28 years" :p

For me, "youth" means academy lol
 
Enigma_87 said:
Take possibly the best three sides ever - Barcelona in the last decade, Sacchi's Milan and Brazil 1970. Are those picked here irrelevant to Valdes, Felix and Galli ?
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Well, that argument doesn't really hold water when the context is no-limits/all-time fantasy sides. The opponent will be stronger than anyone those historical vintages faced, making it more important to field undoubted top quality in every position: For a historical club side, having a sub-par (relatively speaking) individual cog here and there in the machinery is common enough - the key is more often than not whether the player is a good fit tactically: Valdes is a textbook example of the latter.

But he's also a textbook example of someone you'd never pick in an all-time XI, unless you were trying to emulate the exact tactics of Pep's Barca.

And Valdes is an experienced, highly decorated keeper - not a rookie.
 
I hope no one has had the same idea as me for their youth pick :)
 
Šjor Bepo said:
De Gea, Courtois and maybe Oblak, that where i would have draw the line with young gk as they are among the best in the world. Dont want to criticize someones pick but there are some shocking picks out there, especially when you consider the price....
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Rico has won how many uefa cups now?
 
Goalkeepers
Dino Zoff - joga - 11:12 - 20m
Oblak - P-Nut0712 - 13:51 - 35m
Leno- Enigma - 14:20- 35m
ter Stegen - Tuppet - 14:30 - 37m
Rico - Raees - 15:20 - 30m
Banks - Marty1968 - 17:25 - 22m
Schmeichel - harms - 17:31 - 25m
Buffon - DavidG - 18:58 - 28m

Defenders
Koeman - harms - 11:00 - 20 m
Maicon - P-Nut0712 - 11:21 - 10m
Vasovic - joga - 11.33 - 20m
D. Da Guia - Raees - 12:11 - 20m
L.King - P-Nut0712 - 12:45 - 10m
Vidic- Sjor - 14:57 - 43m
Ruggeri - Tuppet - 15:49 - 34m
Bossis - Enigma - 15:55 - 24m
Gerets- Sjor - 16:04- 30m
Lizarazu - Raees - 14:35 - 55m
Cabrini - Skizzo/Pat - 17:11 - 80m
Marzolini - Tuppet - 17:19 - 27m
Varane - marty1968- 18:41 - 22m
Zambrotta - Cal? - 18:47 - 13m
A. Cole - ctp - 19:01 - 35m
L. Junior - ctp - 19:01 - 30m
Stam - ctp - 19:01 - 40m
Ferrara - Invictus - 19:46 - 35m

Midfielders
Kante - harms - 11:00 - 30 m
Liedholm - Raees - 11:09 - 20m
Rattin - Downcast - 12:30 - 20m
Albertini - Chester - 13:39 - 10m
Nedved - DavidG - 14:59 85m
Kroos - Cal? - 17:39 - 40m
Scholes - P-Nut0712 - 17:54 - 22m
Luis Enrique - Sjor - 18:03 - 17m
Mascherano - Cal? - 18:47 - 17m
Seedorf - Enigma - 18:55 - 34m
Souness - Tuppet - 19:32 - 26m

Attackers
Piola - Raees - 11:08 - 20m
Elkjaer - SJor - 14:41 - 10m
J.M. Moreno - DavidG- 15:08 30m
Zlatan - Cal? - 16:46 - 15m
Shevchenko - Downcast - 17:05 - 25m
Tostao - Enigma - 17:33 - 14m
G. Meazza - Enigma- 17:21 - 26m
L. Suarez - P-Nut0712 - 17:55 - 30m
Totti - Raees - 16:02 - 30m
Law - Chester - 18:53 - 34 m
Pedernera - DavidG - 18:58 - 24m

@Joga Bonito
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
It's the other side of the argument...Imagine you are facing one of those side with a weak GK. Your opponent will defo have a GOAT forward/midfield.
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I wouldn't call ter Stegen, Leno, Oblak, Courtois weak keepers. Those are the best young keepers today at the end this is a position you have to fill like filling an outfield player who will stack against GOAT midfielder, GOAT defender or GOAT attacker. Take De Gea for example at the EURO - he made errors here and there and he's possibly the best there is today(along with Neuer). Same as the others - talented and prone to errors in the same way an outfield player in this pool(<25) is talented but prone to error. As I said, it equals up in the big picture but if you take the best defenders of today(under the age of 25) how they will stack up against Cruyff, Maradona, Best etc?

Edgar Allan Pillow said:
The intention of youth factor was to ensure all teams had a Hazard or Reus type player in them. Not just extremes in Neymar and Rico with nothing inbetween.
But then, I should have made the rules a bit more specific too.
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In the end it's still a position that you fill. The downside is that if you field a GK in the first round IMO it would be ok, but would require an upgrade later on, which you can use to fill another position.
 
Goalkeepers
Dino Zoff - joga - 11:12 - 20m
Oblak - P-Nut0712 - 13:51 - 35m
Leno- Enigma - 14:20- 35m
ter Stegen - Tuppet - 14:30 - 37m
Rico - Raees - 15:20 - 30m
Banks - Marty1968 - 17:25 - 22m
Schmeichel - harms - 17:31 - 25m
Buffon - DavidG - 18:58 - 28m

Defenders
Koeman - harms - 11:00 - 20 m
Maicon - P-Nut0712 - 11:21 - 10m
Vasovic - joga - 11.33 - 20m
D. Da Guia - Raees - 12:11 - 20m
L.King - P-Nut0712 - 12:45 - 10m
Vidic- Sjor - 14:57 - 43m
Bossis - Enigma - 15:55 - 24m
Gerets- Sjor - 16:04- 30m
Lizarazu - Raees - 14:35 - 55m
Cabrini - Skizzo/Pat - 17:11 - 80m
Marzolini - Tuppet - 17:19 - 27m
Varane - marty1968- 18:41 - 22m
Zambrotta - Cal? - 18:47 - 13m
A. Cole - ctp - 19:01 - 35m
L. Junior - ctp - 19:01 - 30m
Stam - ctp - 19:01 - 40m
Ferrara - Invictus - 19:46 - 35m
Ruggeri - Tuppet - 19:48 - 36m

Midfielders
Kante - harms - 11:00 - 30 m
Liedholm - Raees - 11:09 - 20m
Rattin - Downcast - 12:30 - 20m
Albertini - Chester - 13:39 - 10m
Nedved - DavidG - 14:59 85m
Kroos - Cal? - 17:39 - 40m
Scholes - P-Nut0712 - 17:54 - 22m
Luis Enrique - Sjor - 18:03 - 17m
Mascherano - Cal? - 18:47 - 17m
Seedorf - Enigma - 18:55 - 34m
Souness - Tuppet - 19:32 - 26m

Attackers
Piola - Raees - 11:08 - 20m
Elkjaer - SJor - 14:41 - 10m
J.M. Moreno - DavidG- 15:08 30m
Zlatan - Cal? - 16:46 - 15m
Shevchenko - Downcast - 17:05 - 25m
Tostao - Enigma - 17:33 - 14m
G. Meazza - Enigma- 17:21 - 26m
L. Suarez - P-Nut0712 - 17:55 - 30m
Totti - Raees - 16:02 - 30m
Law - Chester - 18:53 - 34 m
Pedernera - DavidG - 18:58 - 24m

@Tuppet ruggeri
 
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