FYI, the NYT picked up the story: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/29/books/robin-diangelo-white-fragility-accusation-plagiarism.html
The Culture Wars
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https://www.theguardian.com/media/2...true-for-brands-says-global-advertising-study
‘Go woke, go broke’ not true for brands, says global advertising study
Research shows ad campaigns that are more inclusive have a positive impact on profits, sales and brand worth
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She could sleep in her car's wheel arch.
Musk, Thiel, Sacks and Furber.
I don't know how US university student organisations work, but surely 8 years without ties to the university would probably mean it's like some hybrid student-broader community thing?
Still, that doesn't take away from the utter bile they seem to be posting under the guise of "being students"
23:23 "That the reds were behind it, that the Jews were behind it"
An insight into decades old conspiracy theories. This is in the context of a black family moving into a white town and the guy was asked about rumours about this black family.
An insight into decades old conspiracy theories. This is in the context of a black family moving into a white town and the guy was asked about rumours about this black family.
Very respected historian and Stalin biographer
Here is the NYT piece. Right wingers are happy: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/16/magazine/dei-university-michigan.html?smid=tw-share
I think most asian people would agree that what is happening in the west right now has gone (unjustifiably) too far.
It is a good thing to empower the weak and poor. But right now the groups considered "weak and poor" are just overprivileged and close to being indulged in the west, at the expense of rationality, science and fact. This "woke" movement would solve nothing but just create tension and conflict.
Can you expand on this? Which groups in the west considered weak and poor are "overprivileged"? And in what way is this at the expense of rationality, science and fact?
What "weak and poor" section of society is now over privileged at the expense of science and fact?
the unnecessary dwelling on pronouns, the forced DEI to integrate certain groups above their population ratio, affirmative action, misused concept of cultural appropriation, etc, to name a few.
also, the western (white) people love to play nice (IMO, the desire to avoid being called "bastards" or "bigots") and try to deny the fact that certain ethnic groups have (with empirical data's support) different crime rates and different average IQs, or trying to fully attribute both parameters on injustice of criminal system or economic disadvantages. Try ask it on ChatGPT and it just refuses to give an answer.
This is going to be great.
Couldn't even finish the sentence without including pronouns!
Oh dear.
Does it refuse to give you an answer or is it that you just struggle to coax it into giving an answer which fits your world view?
The right is obsessed with pronouns. Some people are clear about what pronouns they would like you to use. The majority of the world is capable of shrugging their shoulders and saying “sure, I’ll try my best to do that for you but forgive me if I slip sometimes” and that’s ok while a minority of people lose their mind because it really inconveniences them or something?
As for classing some races as smarter or dumber or more or less motivated than others, do you really believe that’s a biological factor and not environmental? When there is clear privilege and oppression effecting people in both directions it doesn’t take a master statistician to infer that those that are oppressed are going to suffer from the lack of opportunities and that will present itself on a macro level. It’s disingenuous (if I’m kind) to suggest it’s something inherent to a particular race and not a cultural issue.
Can't wait for 13/52 or bell curve being used as "empirical data support".
That's your definition of over privileged? Seriously?
It's telling that you attribute crime to ethnicity and low IQ and not a lack of privilege. Not surprising as you don't seem to know what privilege is?
Just feck off with this shit.
The main thing about potential biological/genetic influences on intelligence or behaviour is that it doesn't matter! If you want your society to be fair and and to do a bit more to help people who are in some way disadvantaged then the precise reason for the disadvantage is irrelevant. They need a helping hand regardless.
I'd guess because ChatGPT is instructed to not empower bigotry.
Good point well made.
Six different people quoted my post, not a single one is rationally and calmly debating with me. This is the fact about social "debates" in the west nowadays.
massive echo chamber.
massive echo chamber.
The use of the term echo chamber is the equivalent of Godwin's Law. The moment someone says it you know they have no argument and by default have lost any debate they are in.
let me try to rationally address each of the reply I have received.
you are attempting a conceptual confusion. Dwelling on the choice of pronoun is different from using pronouns.
no points provided.
the ability to get admitted a job/education based on race, gender or sexual orientation is a privilege.
meaningless sarcasm. no real argument provided.
just emotion. no argument provided.
you are attempting a conceptual confusion. Dwelling on the choice of pronoun is different from using pronouns.
no points provided.
the ability to get admitted a job/education based on race, gender or sexual orientation is a privilege.
meaningless sarcasm. no real argument provided.
just emotion. no argument provided.
Because your comment about differences in crime rates and IQs between different ethnic groups shows you aren't someone worth debating. Not really.
If you, whilst having the same internet access as the rest of us, genuinely believe those differences aren't only down to economic/societal disadvantages, I don't see what calm or rational debate will change your mind. I'm south Asian and I have relatives who have the same unpleasant view of the world. There's no point debating such shite.
It is good whenever people like you out these types of views though. Definitely adds helpful context to your other views/posts.
I find your way of reply is quite common nowadays on facebook or twitter, it is like people are trying to "shame" someone by pointing out that his use of term or buzzword being a "cliche" and think it is an automatic "gotcha"
when someone actually commit a logical fallacy (be it appeal to authority, ad hominem, etc), whenever someone (correctly) point that out, some people just appear and post mocking memes about "logical fallacy warriars" etc
again, very poor debating etiquette isn't it?
Many of us have varying privileges. But this was a conversation initiated by you, about overprivilege.
So I ask again, what "weak and poor" section of society is now overprivileged at the expense of science and fact?
And your reply to what Pexbo said?
Ironically, so is not engaging with the premise of the debate and finding refuge in insult.
Crickets
"something is not worth debating and must be believed in unquestionably" is a religion.
I believe there are certainly more factors than just economic/societal factors in explaining the different crime rates and average IQs. South East Asia was consistently poor yet still recorded relatively low crime rates and high average IQ.
I am the only one insulted here. (of course you must think that member "rightly" use the profanity on me because 'I am a disgusting racist"?)
What do you mean "engaging in the premise of the debate"?
Won't anyone think of the bigots?
I have asked you a direct question twice about a statement you made. You haven't answered, but you have decided to insult everyone who disagrees with you with a tedious cliché.