The Criteria Draft - The Drafts

antohan said:
It was precisely for that purpose, throw people off track to research possible Austrian (i.e. Germans!). If I gave easy hints and someone got him the caf would have burnt down.
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The annoying thing was he popped up as playing with Effenberg (albeit for a year) at Fiorentina too, so I went past him twice.
 
@rpitroda will be facing a dogged 4-4-2!

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VivaJanuzaj said:
Yeah, tough draw for Trippy this.

And feck, who the hell knew about Laudrup he was born in Austria?!
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It's the sort of stuff you find out when you know far too much about Michael Laudrup. His dad was a football player and that meant he lived in Austria briefly as a kid, so I figured Brian may well have been born there.
 
Yes I knew. Thought he meant an actual Austrian. Antos clues were wrong. He doesn't fit criteria 8-9 with both Kohler and Effenberg.
 
Snow said:
Yes I knew. Thought he meant an actual Austrian. Antos clues were wrong. He doesn't fit criteria 8-9 with both Kohler and Effenberg.
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As I said, the clue was he was a trophyless teammate. I've only just found out 8-9 required winning elsewhere.
 
VivaJanuzaj said:
so @antohan assuming my defense is Lahm-CB--De Boer--Zambrotta with Sammer as the Libero, would you have picked Carragher over Hyypia?
I agree @BorisDeLeFora
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In that system, I would have picked Carragher.

He is better suited than Hyypia for that role. In De Boer, Sammer and Hyypia you have three centre backs are are sweepers. Hyypia isn't a natural sweeper but hope you get my point, as he wasn't an aggressive defender. Carragher was a stopper and he played as a full-back under Houllier. In De Boer and Carragher, you would then have two centre backs who can stretch out wide play as full-backs when the team attacks. This allows Sammer to play like a proper libero.

However, Hyypia is a better CB and I would always pick him ahead of Carragher in a four man defence.
 
The Red Viper said:
In that system, I would have picked Carragher.

He is better suited than Hyypia for that role. In De Boer, Sammer and Hyypia you have three centre backs are are sweepers. Hyypia isn't a natural sweeper but hope you get my point, as he wasn't an aggressive defender. Carragher was a stopper and he played as a full-back under Houllier. In De Boer and Carragher, you would then have two centre backs who can stretch out wide play as full-backs when the team attacks. This allows Sammer to play like a proper libero.

However, Hyypia is a better CB and I would always pick him ahead of Carragher in a four man defence.
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Yeah, that's the gist of it, but as I said earlier, de Boer really needs a proper CB next to him. Excellent on the ball and as the outside left in a three, but by no means a great defender IMO. With Lahm being as solid an option as he is I would opt for Hyypia. Play Maicon there and I would have Carragher, no question.
 
antohan said:
It's the sort of stuff you find out when you know far too much about Michael Laudrup. His dad was a football player and that meant he lived in Austria briefly as a kid, so I figured Brian may well have been born there.
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Might as well add that Michael wasn't born in Denmark either. He was the first player I checked for this draft.
I did a small piece on the brothers in Danish class back in the day. That's how I knew about them :)
 
antohan said:
Yeah, that's the gist of it, but as I said earlier, de Boer really needs a proper CB next to him. Excellent on the ball and as the outside left in a three, but by no means a great defender IMO. With Lahm being as solid an option as he is I would opt for Hyypia. Play Maicon there and I would have Carragher, no question.
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So you agreed with me over Hyypia right? I've lost track. Red viper also shook me a bit :D
 
Full team with sheeps farmed in. Please check and correct, if required...

1. VivaJanuzaj & Crappy - 1. Messi, 2. Sammer, 3. Lahm, 4. Zambrotta, 5. Etoo, 6. Cocu, 7. F. de Boer, 8. Hyypia, 9. Kanchelskis, 10. Valdes, 11. Modric,12. M.Taibi
2. The Red Viper -1. Ronaldinho, 2. Henry, 3. Cafu, 4. Kaka, 5. Hierro, 6. Traore, 7. Effenberg, 8. Hamann, 9. Mata, 10. Naybet, 11. Ceni,12. Birindelli
3. Annahnomoss - 1. Ronaldo 9, 2. Thuram, 3. Cannavaro, 4. Ribery, 5. Lizarazu, 6. Pirlo, 7. Essien, 8. Petit, 9. Bebe, 10. Mihajlovic, 11. Weidenfeller 12. Marcos Reis
4. Cutch - 1. Maldini, 2. Savicevic, 3. Zanetti, 4. Kohler, 5. De Rossi, 6. Benarrivo, 7. Camoranesi, 8. Lehmann, 9. Djorkaeff, 10. Dino Baggio, 11. Hong Myung Bo 12. RvN
5. NoPace - 1. Ronaldo 7, 2. R. Baggio, 3. Senna, 4. Schweinsteiger, 5. Thomas Hassler, 6. Rooney, 7. Aldair, 8. T. Silva, 9. Cech, 10. Juanfran, 11. Carboni 12. L. Shaw
6. Stobzilla / KM - 1. Zidane, 2. Davids, 3. Robben, 4. Irwin, 5. Signori, 6. Ferrara, 7. Van Der Sar, 8. Veron, 9. Pallister, 10. Aurier, 11. Thiago Alcantara 12. K. Balakov
7. FromTheBench/Theon - 1. Romário, 2. Makélélé, 3. Gerrard, 4. Totti, 5. Blanc, 6. Sagnol, 7. Samuel, 8. Cantona, 9. Panucci, 10. Filipe Luis, 11. Jose Luis Chilavert 12. M. Schneiderlin
8. EDogen - 1.Keane, 2. Scholes, 3. Weah, 4. Evra, 5. Beckham, 6. Bale, 7. Gallas, 8. Raul, 9. Petrescu, 10. Carvalho, 11. Toldo 12. D. Ochoa
9. BigDunc9 - 1. Xavi, 2. Iniesta, 3. Shevchenko, 4. Albertini, 5. F. Couto, 6. Claudio Lopez, 7. Baines, 8. Reus, 9. R. Jones, 10. Benatia, 11. Gilberto Silva 12. D.Ospina
10. rpitroda - 1. Nedved, 2. Seedorf, 3. Deco, 4. Ferdinand, 5. P.Mc Shane, 6. Guardiola, 7. Zabaleta, 8. Kluivert, 9. Overmars, 10. Gamarra, 11. Clichy 12. S. Given
11. BorisDeLeFora - 1. Nesta, 2. Vieira, 3. Le Tissier, 4. Lucio, 5. Lampard, 6. Villa, 7. Ginola, 8. van Bronckhorst, 9. Emerson, 10. Makaay, 11. Kelly 12. Reina
12. Chesterlestreet - 1. Stoichkov, 2. Mendieta, 3. Des Walker, 4. Prosinečki, 5. Ibrahimovic, 6. Kahn, 7. Bergkamp, 8. Adams, 9. Pessotto, 10. Van Bommel, 11. Reiziger, 12. N. Kanu.
13. Paceme - 1. Figo, 2. Rui Costa, 3. Batistuta, 4. Vidic, 5. Del Piero, 6. Cambiasso, 7. Yaya Toure, 8. Abidal, 9. Koscielny, 10. Higuita, 11. H. Ibarra, 12. T. Motta.
14. NM / Snow - 1. Redondo, 2. Giggs, 3. Ayala, 4. Ballack, 5. Fabregas, 6. Ljungberg, 7. Buffon, 8. Costacurta, 9. Higuain, 10. Alaba, 11. Arce 12. Neymar
15. Aldo - 1. Rivaldo, 2. Desailly, 3. Stam, 4. Hagi, 5. Simeone, 6. Van Persie, 7. G. Neville, 8. Mascherano, 9. Basler, 10. Harte 11. Brad Freidel
16. Edgar Allan Pillow - 1. Roberto Carlos, 2. Litmanen, 3. Pepe, 4. Arteta, 5. Suarez, 6. Gattuso, 7. Di Maria, 8. Cazorla, 9. P. Andersson, 10. Maicon, 11. Daniel Agger, 12. Lee Woon-jae
 
antohan said:
Yeah, that's the gist of it, but as I said earlier, de Boer really needs a proper CB next to him. Excellent on the ball and as the outside left in a three, but by no means a great defender IMO. With Lahm being as solid an option as he is I would opt for Hyypia. Play Maicon there and I would have Carragher, no question.
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Issue is, De Boer himself likes to drive forward with the ball. So unless you have him in a reserved role, Hyypia would be left in a one on one condition with opposition striker at times and Carragher is better than Hyypia in that aspect as he was quicker and his tackling was better.
 
VivaJanuzaj said:
So you agreed with me over Hyypia right? I've lost track. Red viper also shook me a bit :D
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He is making a similar point to mine in that Carragher suits a three better. de Boer-Sammer-Carragher is a solid back three to play even with insanely attacking wingbacks.

Where we seem too disagree is in that I do rate Hyypia higher as a CB/defender and, seeing as I don't rate de Boer much defensively, I would plump for him over Carra. I can absolutely see his point though, and he is right Carra is the more natural partner.
 
Basile Boli qualified for the born in another country one too IIRC.

Viv Anderson for less than 30 caps ?
 
The Red Viper said:
Issue is, De Boer himself likes to drive forward with the ball. So unless you have him in a reserved role, Hyypia would be left in a one on one condition with opposition striker at times and Carragher is better than Hyypia in that aspect as he was quicker and his tackling was better.
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Yeah, I wouldn't want Hyypia being the last line of defence, you are right.
 
antohan said:
He is making a similar point to mine in that Carragher suits a three better. de Boer-Sammer-Carragher is a solid back three to play even with insanely attacking wingbacks.

Where we seem too disagree is in that I do rate Hyypia higher as a CB/defender and, seeing as I don't rate de Boer much defensively, I would plump for him over Carra. I can absolutely see his point though, and he is right Carra is the more natural partner.
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I rate Hyypia as a better defender as well. :D

Its just that for that system, I will prefer Carragher but to be honest, its not like that will be a major issue for @VivaJanuzaj and Crappy.
 
Next game has been declared a walkover as the team walked off in protest amid allegations of discrimination.
 
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