Well this is a new low for the dems. According to wiki Roger Clinton had at least served his sentence when Bill pardoned him.
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All the usual liberal or progressive accounts on Bluesky are now en masse doing the "actually if you think this was bad you're dumb" thing. It's getting rather obnoxious.
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Don't worry, I'm sure that if it stays salient, they will find a way to blame woke left for the entire situation.
When it comes to delusion, there's no difference between both party's fanboys.
Biden is loathed by most and has nothing to lose. Of course he pardons. A last big feck you to both R’s and D’s. Going out with a bang. Kinda respect it.
It is a wonderful gift to Republicans though.
Is it though? Let's not pretend Trump would've needed any excuse to just do as he pleases
The fact that a president can pardon someone convicted by a court of law is scandalous.
Maybe Emperor would be a better title?
Maybe Emperor would be a better title?
The hysteria about Joe pardoning Hunter is insane.
Trump is about to pardon the "J6 Hostages" and pardoned people guilty of much worse crimes than Hunter Biden, including may of his friends and acquaintances.
Trump's DOJ would have gone after Hunter Biden just because it titillates Fox News viewers, so it was the right thing to do.
Trump is about to pardon the "J6 Hostages" and pardoned people guilty of much worse crimes than Hunter Biden, including may of his friends and acquaintances.
Trump's DOJ would have gone after Hunter Biden just because it titillates Fox News viewers, so it was the right thing to do.
The whataboutism is strong on this one.
He doesn't need excuses to do that, but he needs to maintain the majorities through his term and right-wing media ecosystem pieces of shit do need those talking points to help him do just that.
Presidential pardon doesn't mean that Fox News will shut the feck up about him and this time there is an obvious act of political corruption around him.
It’s very monarchical, isn’t it? From the days of the Stuarts or the Tudors.
This separation of powers thingy between the judiciary and the executive was always a bit murky. Pardons allow the president to interfere in the judicial process. And now a president is apparently immune for anything he does in office. American rule of law is struggling to assert itself.
It is completely predictable and still silly as hell. People voted for a damn FELON to be president. Now its bad for Biden to pardon his own son? I dont care if he said No I will never pardon him till the minute he did. Trump pardoned his son in laws father and is about to make him an ambassador now. Trump also ran on letting dangerous violent J6 offenders out the first day. I know none of those who voted for trump have a thing to say about "justice".
They showed his son's **** pic in Congressional committee all just to embarrass Biden.
Meanwhile Trumps son in law got billions from the Saudis while in office and no one was rushing to investigate him or drag out his dirty laundry in committee.
Biden has nothing to apologize for here I wouldn't even respond to questions about it again.
That is what happens when presidents are created. Biden's predecessor pardoned criminals that had done far worse.
Completely agree. The GOP have spend the last 4 years using Hunter Biden as the boogeyman. No one voted for Hunter Biden, he is not in the White House or Congress and has no impact on people's lives.
Whereas, Trump is a convicted criminal himself. So at this point, who the hell cares?
Am I getting insane? How are people here defending this shit. Supposed institutionalist Joe "nobody is above the law"** Biden** does not pertain to the immediate Biden family
If your only argument is "the other guy did it first" then you basically are without arguments. The whole selling point of the Democrats was some sort of integrity and normalcy and respect for the rule of law. This action shat on top of it all.
The 'right' thing to do is to stop defending this man now that there is no electoral reason to do so.
The argument is more of "he has been dragged through the mud for years with very little regard for what he actually did wrong, because it was convenient politically for Trump. And with control over DOJ Trump could dial the cruelty much higher", but it's still not a great argument.
Why does the President have pardoning powers anyway? Of course it will be used politically.
Morally bankrupt is a phrase that springs to mind.
It really is crazy stuff
After the latest SC rulings, the president can do pretty much anything without consequence.
"The other guy is worse" might work when you're talking about an election where you realistically have to pick either of them, but it doesn't apply here. What he did was hypocritical and wrong, and the fact that Trump is even more hypocritical and more wrong doesn't have any effect on that.
Your second argument is... better? I don't really agree with it, but at least it's an argument.
I must have failed my logic class in school, because I really can't see the connection between these two. It's only relevant if you're talking to Trump supporters, and those are an endangered species in this thread.
Same reason any Governor can pardon any state level crime. And that can and is also used politically in a lot of cases. State level crimes can be pardoned by the Governor, Federal crimes pardoned by the President. The only criteria usually was the political blowback honestly.
In this particular case I don't think Democrats in general have to worry about blowback. They have plenty to point to as others have noted on the differences and reasoning.
The point is anyone that voted for Trump I would not even engage with a debate on this issue with in general. That isn't for "this thread" or anyone in particular here I mean in general any Democrat could just easily move on from discussing this. Some people might have an opinion on pardoning at all. And that is fine. I personally think ideally it should be used to expedite cases where there was evidence that something was wrong in the original prosecution or maybe someone was even falsely convicted.
Or cases where someone was put in jail for something that is not currently even a crime anymore (marijuana in many states) as an example. Those to me are easy pardons.
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My English history is hazy at best but wasn’t this part of the point of the Magna Carta? For 800 years or whatever it is the guy in charge can’t just do whatever he wants?
All jokes aside, I really couldn't give shit about Hunter's pardon. The original Scooter Libby Pardon by ''W' was the first I ever heard of a pardon allowance, so my perception of this fundamentally fecked up part of US authority has always been that it is tangled in dishounorable and corrupt intentions.
But when you openly defend Biden on this it makes you look incredibly stupid and unprincipled - because you are.
But when you openly defend Biden on this it makes you look incredibly stupid and unprincipled - because you are.
Did Hunter committed the crimes?
They couldn't find evidence of anything they were accusing him of, namely any illegal selling of the family's name or "Biden crime family" nonsense. What he did get convicted of is not what he was dragged across the committees for.
Specific dates of the pardon is a concern, seems to tie Hunter in with the Ukraine stuff when Joe Biden was VP
The Democrats positioned themselves as saviours of democracy and placed themselves on countless moral and ethical high grounds. This is why that not only sounded hollow but put people off. Most of their argument was “we’re better than this other guy” which was a weak position to starter from, but creates obvious vulnerabilities. Biden held on for so long because he cared more about this own power than anything else. This shoves that idea in people’s faces again. It clashes so badly with how they portray themselves.
That's absolutely true, but aren't there swathes of people claiming they should play dirty as well if they want to beat the dirty playing MAGA gang?
Oh definitely, but I’d imagine even those people would want them to use dirty tricks much more strategically than that. Protecting your own while letting your party take the bullet isn’t a particularly good way to beat the MAGA gang. Unless the strategy is to make the lines between the two blur to such a degree where people forget which side their own. But that’s a pretty long game to play.
Pardons for everyone yay.
It's like the middleages over there.
They should give the president a fecking sword and a throne. Feck it.
It's like the middleages over there.
They should give the president a fecking sword and a throne. Feck it.
And what reason is that?
Because it is legal and part of their powers of office. I already stated what I think pardons should be used for. If someone wants to run on some kind of pardon reform, I mean great. I don't think it would get anywhere at this point. And there are many other more important things to focus political energy on.
My awful governor used his pardon power to pardon a murderer Abbot Pardons murderer Cleaning this up and making sure it couldn't happen somehow is great. But, realistically the political power and effort I dont see it happening.
I don't think anyone saying that actually means playing dirty for personal benefit. Lawmakers earning millions from legally distinct insider trading are absolutely playing dirty, but that doesn't really make anything better.