If nothing else - returning some civility to politics and public discourse. It's a bit like Ford after Nixon. Don't think I at least expected any miracles, I just wanted to not have to pay attention to the blatant corruption and hatred coming out of DC on a daily basis.
The Biden Presidency
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Going to be a lot of gaslighting over the coming weeks as they try to pretend they actually pushed back on the war crimes.
He started well with the medical and economic response to the pandemic and the strong economic recovery after. Now it's fizzled out over his poor foreign policy choices on Ukraine/Russia and Israel/Palestine and the failed attempt at re-election. What we cannot know is whether an earlier decision to stand down would have kept Trump out. But he will be blamed anyway.
I am sure your answer would differ if you were not American. I mean, i completely see your point, but for the rest of the world, Joe Biden will be seen as genocide enabler. Because that is exactly what he was. And word genocide will always be attached to his name.
Possibly. I guess W will always wear that badge too in a way. But I think most foreigners often forget that what goes on outside the borders of this country often ranks very low for the vast majority of people because so much happens inside of it. Especially the last 7-8 years.
Maybe, but history and world will not remember that. Nobody I know, and I obviously don't know many Americans in person, but nobody I know remembers George Bush for example for internal policies. Nobody cares. We remember Iraq and Afghanistan. When I say we, I mean vast majority of world. And same will happen to Biden, only this time it is an actual genocide going on.
I doubt that's the case. He will likely be remembered as an old man who beat Donald Trump, only to squander his victory by thinking he was well enough to run again, ultimately allowing Trump to win another term.
That's the American view, the rest of the world will definitely remember him to be a senile genocide enabler.
Biden legacy highlights
pros:
- A couple of positive labor and union policies
- Ate an ice cream
- Stans Neil Kinnock
- Beat Medicare
cons:
- A life long racist, pro segregation, anti-bussing
- Enough dead children to fill a stadium
- Fumbled all our futures to Donald Trump
pros:
- A couple of positive labor and union policies
- Ate an ice cream
- Stans Neil Kinnock
- Beat Medicare
cons:
- A life long racist, pro segregation, anti-bussing
- Enough dead children to fill a stadium
- Fumbled all our futures to Donald Trump
Michelle obama will give him a lollipop a year from now in some event and all will be forgotten, sweet old joe.
Understand the other side, but I can basically guarantee you that in the US Joe s negative legacy will mostly be down to facilitating the loss to Trump.
The rest wont matter as much for a simple reason imho: supporting Israel has been a staple of US foreign policy under every presidency and so won't phase the majority, and like with Ukraine - unlike in other conflicts like those under W - haven't resulted in notable US losses. That's also why the Afghanistan pull out and the debatable way in which it was done was played up more domestically than any other foreign policy decisions.
Sick society.
I don't think that will be the case either way. If the US was militarily involved with troops fighting on the ground such as in Iraq, Afghanistan, or Vietnam then there would be a legitimate case to tie a Presidency to a war. This case is an automatic reaction that any other US president would also participate in because of the bilateral relationship and in the long run won't be remembered very differently than supporting Ukraine being attacked by Russia.
I've tried to explain this to many people from smaller countries but let's put it this way: how many people in India, China, Brazil, Russia etc do you think care about Israel? Especially when said countries have plenty of their own issues.
They care about US and their hypocrisies though. Especially when you're being antagonized by the US
None of those countries are a democracy supporting genocide. If they were, I would also call them a sick society.
He's definitely not going to be remembered for that.
He'll be overwhelmingly remembered as the guy who let Trump win a 2nd term. How much we'll remember of that will depend on the next 4 years.
Won’t even make top 10.
Brazil and India aren't democracies? Someone tell em please.
Not outside the US and Canada.
Ah yes bc said countries never antagonize themselves
You need to read the full sentence.
Sure and even then your point doesn't hold. Go look up their history with conflicts and mass killings. I'll wait.
I didn't realize we were talking about history. Even if we were, if your only defence for america is "but take a look at these other guys" I'm sure you realize it's pretty thin.