Going by the Simon Stone article, Alderwierald was a cash plus player issue. The club source said something like "we would have traded a 5th best centre back for another 5th best centre back, which didn't make sense" .
Its that I don't understand. Alderwierald is head and shoulders above any of our defenders, so there is some serious misjudgement going on by club officials who are undermining Jose.
I don't think that he had that job, otherwise he would still be here. And I don't think that have anyone in place for the job either.
That was before Martial failed his audition on the right wing and told his agent to start looking for a new club.
Mourinho himself said in Feb that there would be no attackers purchased - https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/so...happy-that-sanchez-completes-attack-1.3379907 so i don't know if it was ever on the agenda for Woodward to be saying that Willian was not an upgrade on current options.
In terms of Toby, he was injured for part of last year and is 29 so if there were question marks over whether he would be the right candidate they are somewhat valid, especially at the prices quoted.
The most ridiculous point to make is back him or sack him. There has to be compromise. Mourinho has been backed heavily for loads of players but there can be a line drawn without it being the end game.
Going by the Simon Stone article, Alderwierald was a cash plus player issue. The club source said something like "we would have traded a 5th best centre back for another 5th best centre back, which didn't make sense" .
Its that I don't understand. Alderwierald is head and shoulders above any of our defenders, so there is some serious misjudgement going on by club officials who are undermining Jose.
But he still didn’t get a midfielder - he didn’t get everything he wanted. That’s the point. In addition City clearly have more money to spend and don’t have the same restrictions we do. But, importantly they still have restrictions, even City, which means that the manager can’t always get what he wants. That doesn’t mean they are not backing him.
Well the reason Jose is equally blamed for the transfer window debacle is for his dull behaviour in pre season and constant public moaning of lack of signings not to mention his constant barbs at the youth players . One would expect a more calm demeanour from a big name manager and better public conduct . It all makes an integral part of the club's global image . It's one thing complaining in private and showing good behaviour towards the squad and other youth players encouraging them for pre season . His bad relations with Pogba and Martial didn't help either . He seemed o dull and literally on verge of a meltdown in pre season .So it's possible that the board was wary about his short fixes and was more interested in signing younger and better players which will be financial assets for the club in future . One thing we can't dispute in all of this is that the board mostly sees the club from a financial perspective hence they wanted to avoid paying over the odds wages and transfer fees for older players with recent bad injury history i.e. Boateng and Toby .
About Martial and Pogba well everyone seem to come to the same conclusion that there is a breakdown in relations with Jose and them which has been reported extensively in the press partly of which is true in my opinion considering the actions of agents of both Pogba and Martial .
Anyways I hope that Jose mends his relationship with both of them and starts formulating a better and positive plan for the incoming season . Mc Kenna and Carrick are there to help him . Carrick in particular is accorded a lot of respect in the dressing room so I hope he helps in moving the team forward . We all want the best for the team and hopefully we will surprise everyone by winning the league title .
The board blindly following the previous managers wishes is what got us into this mess with having so many undesirable players at the club. It is good that the board aren't going for lesser players. We should pay top dollar only for the best.
Don't enter them if you don't like them.
Also, tention isn't a word.
He was chief scout so any positions we required players he was involved. He wouldn’t have negotiated transfers but what exactly qualified him to do that? Fair play if he wanted that role but it’s hardly like Juve wanted to give it him otherwise he would still be there
I don't agree that he's head and shoulders above all of our defenders, except for leadership and ability on the ball. But it's not like our defence is going to crumble because we didn't secure Toby this window. Jose wanted to go to 3 at the back and someone like Toby would've been the final piece, for sure.
In Toby's absence through injury & supposedly falling out with Poch, Spurs haven't really missed a beat and their defence concedes more than ours does, so I'm struggling to find the justification to spend an exuberant amount of money for him.
That quote was referring to Mina. Allegedly his agent tried to bend us over a barrelGoing by the Simon Stone article, Alderwierald was a cash plus player issue. The club source said something like "we would have traded a 5th best centre back for another 5th best centre back, which didn't make sense" .
Its that I don't understand. Alderwierald is head and shoulders above any of our defenders, so there is some serious misjudgement going on by club officials who are undermining Jose.
Going by the Simon Stone article, Alderwierald was a cash plus player issue. The club source said something like "we would have traded a 5th best centre back for another 5th best centre back, which didn't make sense" .
Its that I don't understand. Alderwierald is head and shoulders above any of our defenders, so there is some serious misjudgement going on by club officials who are undermining Jose.
Said this in the other thread (why two?) but:
DoF or not, if there's no spin being put on what's reported then why the hell hasn't Woodward (either before or after seeing Jose's wish list), given Jose a spec of player (position, age range, max price/wages) that we will be willing to buy? It doesn't make any sense.
Until a week ago, Jose was convinced he would get at least one more player. He must be being kept informed by the board as to where negotiations are up to, so either the board outright lied to him about what they were willing to do only one week ago or this is just some face-saving bollocks that's going to achieve nothing but piss off Mourinho further.
And as has been said many times, if they are expecting a typical meltdown season, then why the hell haven't they got rid before the season began, as opposed to waiting until, e.g. December, by which time it will be almost certainly too late to salvage anything.
Suggesting that the Glazers are happy to stumble along with top 4 finishes to keep the coffers full is similarly misguided. Our current position as a marketing behemoth is built on a foundation of continuous success and, admittedly, an attractive never-say-die style of play. Top tier sponsors and partners will not want to be associated with the brand of United unconditionally should these fundamentals not be in place. Surely the board see that when you command millions for a shirt sponsorship deal with Adidas that is based predominantly on the years immediately preceding said deal? If renewal for sponsor xyz comes up and we've been largely mediocre, both in terms of silverware and playing style, surely we don't get as much cash? Success breeds success and they seem to be to blind to see it.
Exactly. It’s an excuse that makes no internal sense. Mourinho said he gave them a list of five players at the end of last season, why didn’t our new uber-scout, Herr Woodward, tell him we don’t want to sign any of them the moment he saw this list?
The timing of the briefing is disgusting too. Why not get the Leicester game out of the way before basically taking the piss out of the manager, in public? Feck it, could this not have waited until the international break? As it stands, he’s rattled Mourinho when our squad is weak and we’re at our most vulnerable.
I’m no fan of the manager but this almost seems calculated to derail our season asap. Either that or Woodward putting his own ego/reputation ahead of the performances/results of the team. Either way, it’s the actions of a devious prick.
That quote was referring to Mina. Allegedly his agent tried to bend us over a barrel
There's a good stat somewhere (and I don't have it to hand right now) which showed Alderwieralds impact on Spurs. How they struggled a lot more without him.
I'd argue he is in the top 3 centre backs of the league and I can't say that about anyone in our side. Our defenders are good no doubt and their structure helps them a lot. But Alderwierald would have added stability and composure that Jose very much needed for this season to play from the back. It's obvious he cited Lindelof as that man but I'm sure by his own admission it went wrong.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp....urs-record-with-and-without-fit-again-toby-a/
I'm not doubting his ability, and I would definitely put him top 3 in the league, I just don't think his ability is worth paying £65m for him in the final year of his contract.
Does anyone else think that the obvious pull of playing for Utd is being mitigated by Utd's style of football and Mourinho's demeanour in the media. I'm genuinely starting to think that some players would/have swerved Utd because of these reasons.
If so, it would probably be in Utd's best interests to get shot of him. However, you may end up with a rebuild job again, unless a new manager (Zidane?) can get a better tune out of a largely talented group of players (not that difficult, you would think)
Big 5-6 months coming up for Utd & Mourinho, I feel.
The articles are confusing in who is beimg talked about but i thought the part about trading our 5th best defender for their 5th best defender didn't match up with Toby.I've read the article again and he's referring to Toby.
Mina broke down because of agent fees and they didn't want to set a precedent of high agent fees for non World class talent.
He appointed Mourinho and now he clearly doesn't trust him. If the trust is gone and you no longer back the managers decisions, then you part company. But it seems that Woodward has no backbone to sack him.He let LVG tell him X was better than Y then had to hear Mourinho tell him Y was better than X. So maybe he got some DOF advice? Just saying. Considering he doesn’t rate Mina like most of the people on the CAF didn’t. Isn’t that what we want from Ed? To have a football knowledge to disagree with managers.
The articles are confusing in who is beimg talked about but i thought the part about trading our 5th best defender for their 5th best defender didn't match up with Toby.
Think the message is loud and clear, we don't want to spend money. We don't care about winning the league, we don't care about improving the team. All we care about is the money we are spending.
All the 100m Varane talk is just salesman hot air. I too can say I would personally pay 100m for Varane if he wants to join my pub team. 200m if required. Absolutely 0 chance of it happening. And if he genuinely asked Real about Varane, he knows less about football than what most gives him credit for.
And can you imagine if Ed adopted a galatico only strategy? If it's not Neymar, Messi, Varane or Mbappe, forget about it... We're fecked even if we had billions to buy
Hiring and firing managers, of which they failed at twice, us different to judging players.Hold on, don't they make football decisions on hiring and firing managers?
He appointed Mourinho and now he clearly doesn't trust him. If the trust is gone and you no longer back the managers decisions, then you part company. But it seems that Woodward has no backbone to sack him.
Bad ones, evidently.
But this is it - I don't think it was £65m. Simon Stone said it was a part cash part player deal which would have probably taken that price tag down a fair bit.
Given we wanted to offload Rojo throughout the season and the club tag as "5th choice cb" its far to assume it was him. But then bucketing him and Alderwierald together as equals suggests serious misjudgement..
You being one of them, coming in crying about a thread you don't like that you could have easily avoided. And if you don't like the threads being ruined by people of your ilk then there are other websites you can visit instead.Tension, tention, you know what I mean.
Don’t enter the thread if I don’t like them? Literally every thread is derailed by negativity. It is hard to avoid them when every thread is ruined by cry babies.
It's not really that young though is it? Valencia, Young, Matic, Sanchez and even the likes of Mata, Smalling are older players. It's not just the players we've signed but those that Jose has kept on. Adding the likes of Willian/Perisic and Alderweireld would only increase the average age of the team and leave us with a bigger rebuilding job in 2 years time.
