Moyes? Guy shot himself in the foot as soon as he sacked the backroom.Yep, it happened before too. Not long ago, April 2013.
You guys have your minds made up and set against it, never mind what others have to a say about it, some a whole lot more in the know than yourselves.
This conspiracy that some have invented regarding the co92 and their sinister plan to gain control is fcuking hysterical... redcafe gon redcafe.
Because none of that is a substitute for the actual job of having the whole football club's success or failure rest on your shoulders, which is the case for an actual manager. We have seen lots of actual trained coaches who have spent sizable amounts of time under a top manager learning all they could and experiencing success along the way, only to fail to translate that to success as an actual manager at the very top. Appointing Giggs is romanticism at it's finest, it's hoping that he'll do a Pep when Pep is an exception to the rule rather than the rule and also a man that inherited a squad with 3 of the best players on the world in it in a much less competitive league.
Moyes? Guy shot himself in the foot as soon as he sacked the backroom.
I don't particular care what you think tho, if Giggs is our next manager I'm 100% behind him, if he isn't then I hope whoever is becomes the 2nd coming just like I would hope for Giggs. I don't buy into all these opinions about what Giggs does or doesn't know, because let's face it, it's based on nothing, and don't get me started on these co92 conspiracies...
so you are saying we shouldn't do what Barca did with Pep himself and give Giggs a chance - prior to taking the job Pep had only looked after the Barca B team and got some experience that way. He had of course worked under a number of top managers and they decided to take a chance which proved successful. Why wouldn't we do that with Giggs....I'd say giving Pep the chance was something in the pipeline for a while and not just a romantic gesture on their part.
If Giggs is being primed to be the successor to Van Gaal and that is something that has been discussed openly then its because they respect his ability, they understand his qualities and they see him as a strong candidate to be successful as manager...it's ridiculous to suggest the board would simply consider him because of his past standing at the club - this has been a long term decision and he has been readied for it
there are areas where Giggs is untested.....being in charge when shit happens for example but, as Mourinho shows now, there are no guarantees.... in any appointment there is an element of risk - I think Giggs is certainly worth it based on the fact that he has been prepared as a long term option for manager since Fergie retired and perhaps earlier than that based on what the great man said himself
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/manchester-united-legend-sir-alex-6579228
You've precisely laid out the case against him. None of the characteristics you cited demonstrate a qualified track record of already haven proven himself as a manager. If he's a good manager, then he should go off and prove it at a smaller club as the likes of Ole and Keano have attempted, prior to being gifted the biggest job in world football.
We have a badass here. Who likes to reply to people for whom he doesn't care what they think.Moyes? Guy shot himself in the foot as soon as he sacked the backroom.
I don't particular care what you think tho, if Giggs is our next manager I'm 100% behind him, if he isn't then I hope whoever is becomes the 2nd coming just like I would hope for Giggs. I don't buy into all these opinions about what Giggs does or doesn't know, because let's face it, it's based on nothing, and don't get me started on these co92 conspiracies...
Giggs as manager is simply maximum reward/risk.
As one of the most popular players in our history, him producing as manager would probably put him out on his own in legendary terms.
However, if it went tits up, it could well undo some of his legend. Which would be a real shame.
No, you're right, it does wind me up a bit when posters make Giggs out to be some clueless chancer, usually as if they know it as fact. But it's redcafe, I'm used to it...When people respond with, "You've made your mind up.", it usually means that someone else holds a contrary opinion which they're sticking too, and the person making the statement doesn't like that. Don't get me wrong...
How old are you? You're better than this Revan... How does that make me a bad ass? Should I care what you think?We have a badass here. Who likes to reply to people for whom he doesn't care what they think.
Have a cookie!
another way to look at it is the David Moyes experience
cut his teeth in the lower leagues with Preston and in the Premier League with Everton
completely different experience to being manager of Manchester United.....
there's a case to be argued for Giggs getting experience as an apprentice to the current manager don't you think? It depends on the experience he is getting - we don't know Giggs role in the Moyes/Van Gaal management teams - is he a strong character? Is he a Yes man? who knows
I just question the experiences of teams at smaller clubs when preparing for the top job - it' a totally different situation and environment
No, you're right, it does wind me up a bit when posters make Giggs out to be some clueless chancer, usually as if they know it as fact. But it's redcafe, I'm used to it...
The problem with talking about the board appointing him based on logic is that this is the board who viewed David Moyes as the logical successor to Fergie, which was an appalling decision.
I don't doubt that we're preparing him to be manager at some stage, but that's only good if he's going to be a good manager, which is rather gigantic if. Should it turn out he's not particularly suited to the job, the experience he'll have gained won't really help him, in the same way we could've had Moyes as assistant manager for decades and he'd have probably still been a bit shite in the end.
Nobody is saying that tho, that would be stupid... They just like the idea and want to give him a chance. If he got the job it would be because smarter people than us okay'd it....To be fair, it's just as bad as people who are insisting that Giggs is going to be a success when there's absolutely nothing to prove he's likely to be. But I guess it's a thread where people are going to disagree heavily.
so you are saying we shouldn't do what Barca did with Pep himself and give Giggs a chance - prior to taking the job Pep had only looked after the Barca B team and got some experience that way. He had of course worked under a number of top managers and they decided to take a chance which proved successful. Why wouldn't we do that with Giggs....I'd say giving Pep the chance was something in the pipeline for a while and not just a romantic gesture on their part.
If Giggs is being primed to be the successor to Van Gaal and that is something that has been discussed openly then its because they respect his ability, they understand his qualities and they see him as a strong candidate to be successful as manager...it's ridiculous to suggest the board would simply consider him because of his past standing at the club - this has been a long term decision and he has been readied for it
there are areas where Giggs is untested.....being in charge when shit happens for example but, as Mourinho shows now, there are no guarantees.... in any appointment there is an element of risk - I think Giggs is certainly worth it based on the fact that he has been prepared as a long term option for manager since Fergie retired and perhaps earlier than that based on what the great man said himself
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/manchester-united-legend-sir-alex-6579228
Not neccesarily. Graeme Souness is a Liverpool legend, an ex-Liverpool captain and a player who was a part of their best ever team. While not exactly a Giggs, he still played 350 games for them. Almost every Liverpool fan seems to hate him.It'd never undo his legendary status as a player: that's cemented in for life. What it would potentially do if he fails is mean that should he then succeed later in his managerial career, when he's got more experience, he'd probably never get another crack at it.
I think there's just too much at stake to even entertain the idea. We've been badly burned with an Moyes to double down on the risk of making a similar mistake with Giggs. We should hire a qualified winner who has managed and won trophies at a decent sized club.
Nobody is saying that tho, that would be stupid... They just like the idea and want to give him a chance. If he got the job it would be because smarter people than us okay'd it....
Yeah, the same smart arses that employed Moyes.Nobody is saying that tho, that would be stupid... They just like the idea and want to give him a chance. If he got the job it would be because smarter people than us okay'd it....
Because I am most impressed with how Giggs successfully adapt his game when he get into different ages, and against all odds, and how well he took care of himself over his long successful career at the top. That's the traits to become a good manager in my book. Plus he always sounds intelligent to me, someone who understand the game well and everyone look up to him.
I think there's just too much at stake to even entertain the idea. We've been badly burned with an Moyes to double down on the risk of making a similar mistake with Giggs. We should hire a qualified winner who has managed and won trophies at a decent sized club.
No we shouldn't do it because Pep worked out at Barca, as I said he was a an exception to the rule, a unique talent in regards to his lifelong obsession with tactics and the intricacies of football, and as I mentioned he was inheriting a team in a league where if you are manager of Barca or Real it's practically impossible to finish outside the top 3 these days and in the side he had 3 of the absolute best players in the world. Giggs would have none of these benefits and we compete in a league where there are arguably 7 (at least 6) teams contesting 4 CL spots, it would be a disaster and stupid when there are actually proper proven managers to choose from.
You better get another green and gold campaign going then because these are the guys who are going to be picking the next manager...Yeah, the same smart arses that employed Moyes.
Did they get it wrong with LVG?This isn't a good reason, though. Boards make mistakes all the time. They constantly make poor managerial appointments. Ours felt that David Moyes was a good appointment a couple of years back, yet it turned out to be a dreadful one. I don't doubt they're an intelligent group of people and that they'll deliberate heavily before make an appointment, but they've already shown us that they have a capacity to get these things terribly wrong.
I think there's just too much at stake to even entertain the idea. We've been badly burned with Moyes to double down on the risk of making a similar mistake with Giggs. We should hire a qualified winner who has managed and won trophies at a decent sized club.
I really really hope we appoint Giggs at the end of next season and stick with him through thick and thin. Give him a real go at it. No doubt we'll have to put up with all the whinging about Klopp 'transforming' Liverpool and Pep 'elevating' City. But I want Giggs, I want us to maintain our identity and our board to genuinely stand by our new manager.
I really really hope we appoint Giggs at the end of next season and stick with him through thick and thin. Give him a real go at it. No doubt we'll have to put up with all the whinging about Klopp 'transforming' Liverpool and Pep 'elevating' City. But I want Giggs, I want us to maintain our identity and our board to genuinely stand by our new manager.
Something that gets repeatedly ignored. He was spending time in coaching even when he was a player, and then not only travelled the Europe but also went in S.America to study some extreme tactics in football. His biggest influence was Marcelo Bielsa (who is even more extreme than Van Gaal) with whom he spent countless hours discussing tactics.No we shouldn't do it because Pep worked out at Barca, as I said he was a an exception to the rule, a unique talent in regards to his lifelong obsession with tactics and the intricacies of football, and as I mentioned he was inheriting a team in a league where if you are manager of Barca or Real it's practically impossible to finish outside the top 3 these days and in the side he had 3 of the absolute best players in the world. Giggs would have none of these benefits and we compete in a league where there are arguably 7 (at least 6) teams contesting 4 CL spots, it would be a disaster and stupid when there are actually proper proven managers to choose from.
What is our identity? Bringing through young local lads? The world has changed, local lads are becoming fewer at fewer at all the top clubs.
I'd say the only way Giggs would get it is through his work closely shadowing Van Gaal's methods. Not just doing it the old United way, which is nothing like what Van Gaal's doing, in either style of play or recruitment.
wash your mouth out and say 5 Hail Martials, 6 Our Luke Shaws and a glory be to the De Gea
take your point about the comparative lack of competitivity in the Spanish League though - if you are second there though you are a failure tho?
But how can he be ready if he hasn't put into practice what he's learnt? Surely the logical thing would be to see him put what he's learnt into practice before we even consider something like this?maybe....personally if I was on the board and Pep was available I'd go for him myself
I think if they have decided on Giggs he has had plenty of time to prepare and he will be ready - I see no reason why he couldn't be a success....
Do you think Giggs has the "balls" to make tough decisions? tbh I don't know but I sure would not want to risk our future with him...though I may have been desperate enough to think of him before.
That's all well and good, but what if we finish 8th in our first season? How long do we stick with him until we get rid of him? If a manager does terribly, you sack him. He shouldn't just get a free ride for...well, I've got absolutely no idea why that would happen if he didn't do well.
I don't know where to start in response to this. Bottom line is want us to recruit from within, I wanted that when Fergie left but the candidate wasn't there. I'm hoping Giggs will be that candidate next time.
maybe....personally if I was on the board and Pep was available I'd go for him myself
I think if they have decided on Giggs he has had plenty of time to prepare and he will be ready - I see no reason why he couldn't be a success....
Did they get it wrong with LVG?
We should stick with him yes, even with an 8th place finish. Provided there is a plan and signs of progress. I know most on here won't agree with me but I want Giggs.
