Stobzilla
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It's his first time playing these things dude. Chill out.
I was definitely being serious.
It's his first time playing these things dude. Chill out.
Whatever dude. Take it easy.I was definitely being serious.
More the order in which people have been taken.
If I still get pelters for taking the best goalkeeper ever in the 2nd round of a Nations limit criteria draft then I expect @MounchesterUtd to be banned from this entire website for taking Chilavert in the 1st.
FillolProbably.
D. Santos-----Santamariá-----Passarella-----N. Santos
Varela-----Falcão
Garrincha------------------Zico------------------Zagallo
Ronaldo
EDIT No pool 2 quota considered, of course.
Angels with dirty faces said:River scored 105 goals in thirty-two games the following season, 1938, but it was not enough. Independiente, with Erico again supreme, racked up 115 and sealed the title on the final day of the season with an 8-2 victory over Lanus. Erico may have gotten the goals, but the real star of that side was Antonio Sastre, a player hailed by Cesar Luis Menotti as the greatest he ever saw and in 1980 voted one of the five greatest Argentine players of all time, capable of playing in a range of positions. That was part of what made him so dangerous: with the opposition concerned with Erico and his fellow striker - ******, Sastre would drift deep, breaking the traditional structures of the game to pick up the ball deep and create the play.
Born in Lomas de Zamora in 1911, Sastre, like so many others, came to prominence at Progresista in Avellaneda barrio of the La Mosca. He made his debut in 1931, replacing the injured **** at inside-left, seemingly at the instigation of ****, whose place he would eventually take. Tall and powerful, Sastre may have ended up playing a an orthodox center-forward, but he moved to the left after Independiente signed the great Uruguayan striker ****, his versatility proving a key asset. In total, he played 340 games for Independiente, scoring 112 goals and winning the championship in 1938 and 1939, before moving to Sao Paulo in 1941. He helped them to three Paulista championships and had a statue erected in his honor. "If there was ever a Nobel Prize for Soccer," the club president Decio Pacheco Pedroso said, "there's no doubt the whole of Brazil would vote for Sastre."
FillolPerhaps. Lots of possible ways to go, though.
D. Santos------Santamaría------Passarella------N. Santos
-----------------Varela----------Didi--------------
Ghiggia------------------------------------------------Joya
Cubillas------------
------------Ronaldo
it's a common idea in South America the best Argentine goalkeeper was Carrizo, not Fillol, and put Mazurkiewicz as the second ever of the continent.
Carrizo is remembered commonly by being a pioneer, but also was an excellent goalkeeper of quickly reflected, transmitted a great security and was so good under the sticks as playing as sweeper. IFFHS awarded him as the best goalkeeper of all-time of the Americas in 1999.
Both of them are legendary players of River Plate, but Carrizo is also mentioned commonly as the best goalkeeper ever of the club over Fillol.
I don't think the weight of the international apparitions be so much as you mention (Carrizo (20) and Fillol (58)), especially when Carrizo had a long career and has the record of apparitions in the Argentine league (513). Also because by that reasoning **** couldn't be mentioned even.
Both were excellent, but people who watched both of them in Argentina tend to agree about Carrizo being the better goalkeeper.
He didn't have lots of caps, just as many greats from his era in South America didn't, but he had some great performances with the national team as well, including wins over Pele's Brazil in which he was simply spectacular. During one of those matches, in Sao Paulo, he stopped a penalty from Gerson.
I pick Omar Oreste Corbatta
Hang on.Let's have it @Mciahel Goodman
Some South-Americans consider Carrizo as the greatest South-American GK.
Sorry guys, I fell asleep
Do I make my pick at any time now or wait until this round is over?
DavidG 12. Andres Escobar (COL)
Shoot??? Really? Bad tasteless pun intended??shoot, I was going to pick him next!
Sure, why not.
I've seen Chilavert top S-A lists too, for that matter. Depends on several factors, as per usual. Fillol is probably the likeliest list topper on average, though.
Sure, why not.
I've seen Chilavert top S-A lists too, for that matter. Depends on several factors, as per usual. Fillol is probably the likeliest list topper on average, though.
The question in this particular draft is whether there's a perceived gap (from a voter/neutral perspective) between GK tiers here (I'd say there probably is such a gap) and whether it will make any difference.
Could be a small factor: The overall quality of the defences will likely be similar in most matches, so having a perceived top class GK (of which there may not be many, from a voter perspective) could possibly give you an edge.
I was tempted to pass over a GK pick entirely last round as I don't think there's a huge gulf in quality among the 16 likely picks. I think I had 22 GKs on my list, and I would have been moderately happy with most of them. I do tentatively subscribe to the 'linear progression' viewpoint with keepers though, in that I think the quality in that position was generally poor until the late 60s or so and then seemed to skyrocket. Bar the odd standout like Yashin or Beara I've very rarely been genuinely impressed with an older GK.
I was tempted to pass over a GK pick entirely last round as I don't think there's a huge gulf in quality among the 16 likely picks. I think I had 22 GKs on my list, and I would have been moderately happy with most of them. I do tentatively subscribe to the 'linear progression' viewpoint with keepers though, in that I think the quality in that position was generally poor until the late 60s or so and then seemed to skyrocket. Bar the odd standout like Yashin or Beara I've very rarely been genuinely impressed with an older GK.
I think it's the other way around. For me Mazurkiewicz, Fillol, Gilmar, Carrizo are the standout keepers, Chilavert a notch below and then couple excellent ones - Cordoba one of them. Apart from them the discrepancy in quality IMO is bigger than suggested.
Bar the odd standout like Yashin or Beara I've very rarely been genuinely impressed with an older GK.
Aye. A good example would be Grosics for Hungary - clearly by all and his own accounts a trailblazing sweeper keeper. And you do often see him rushing out to cover Hungary's high line. It's impressive compared to all of his contemporaries. But equally you get examples like England's first goal below where he is relatively rooted to his line. Again probably par for the course at the time, but modern expectations would see the angle closed out much earlier.Aye, I tend to agree with that. And I don't think it's a controversial opinion either - there's a watershed point somewhere, post Yashin, after which the GOAT keepers start to emerge one by one.
Before that you certainly have several interesting players - who contributed in various ways to the development of the art - but actually rating these old timers in an all-time context, and comparing them to modern (post Yashin or thereabouts) keepers, is much more difficult than doing the same for outfield players.
And the latter is difficult enough.