The “Ole In” Brigade

I totally agree with you that without CL football we will struggle to sign players. This is why the next few months are important.

If we do not see any improvement, there is no chance Ole will do anything better than he has done.

If we have a purple patch then there is a chance we sign someone decent

Pep and Klopp were similar but they both had a style of play and kept with it, Ole changes his style of play, meaning he doesnt trust his style or hasn't got him.

It’s not just the Champions League football, it’s the manager, Woodward, how team has performed this season, how we’ve performed last 7 in comparison to every other one.

If someone was reluctant to sign for us last season they are going to be even more reluctant now. It’s ok saying wait for right player but that player doesn’t necessarily wait for us. There has to be a balance between not panic buying and not allowing team to go backward or even stand still.

I don’t think there are many Utd fans who would believe Ole if he said he’s going to win league in two years, I doubt any players would.
 
We are in for a serious storm and I doubt we have a proper captain and crew to navigate through it. We are reaching new lows after SAF's departure. What a time to be alive... for noisy neighbours and scousers.

I think we still got a decent core around in a thin squad, but I fear it will be destroyed soon.
Another Ole window with budget players feels like a disaster one.
Ighalo, King, Rice sounds like what he might do or something like that.

I fear we are destroying Rashfords talent by playing him with injuries making it worse, not coaching him proberly and also mentally taking him down.
The last part hopefully not because Rashford is a fighter who never gives up at the core. Proper United player, but he needs a proper United manager.
Under SAF I think he could be world class forward up there with Rooney and Ronaldo after some good coaching.
Hopefully Ole is not insanly stupid to rush him back only for him to get injured again.
 
I asked in the Newbies forum but I will ask here as well.
What are realistic expectations for MUFC? I would suggest that the SAF period exceed, by a good margin, reasonable expectations. Granted we have huge financial resources so should have higher expectations than say Burnley. But what is reasonable?

General top 6 finish challenging and making top 4 with some level of frequency ? Challenging for the title ever few years ?
A decent cup run and maybe even victory every decade ?

We aren't the only team with money and ambition and only one team wins the league and the cup etc.

So what are reasonable expectations ? When we have set those we can judge the manger.
 
I asked in the Newbies forum but I will ask here as well.
What are realistic expectations for MUFC? I would suggest that the SAF period exceed, by a good margin, reasonable expectations. Granted we have huge financial resources so should have higher expectations than say Burnley. But what is reasonable?

General top 6 finish challenging and making top 4 with some level of frequency ? Challenging for the title ever few years ?
A decent cup run and maybe even victory every decade ?

We aren't the only team with money and ambition and only one team wins the league and the cup etc.

So what are reasonable expectations ? When we have set those we can judge the manger.

We are Manchester United. If the bar for the PL title is going to be raised to 100 points by our rivals, the expectations are to create a side able to gain 101 points by the end of the season.

Can this be achieved with a snap of the fingers? It most certainly can't. What can happen within a short period of time though is us looking like a team that's going places. A team that can actually become a serious contender.

That's why the comparisons with Klopp are daft. Liverpool looked like a team with a high ceiling under the German from the beginning. They didn't have the much-desired consistency, they lacked a few crucial pieces to their puzzle and Klopp also had to improve alongside his side but the blueprint was there. At first, they could keep up their title-winning form for the first half of the season. Then it was the bad start to their second season which hindered any possible title aspirations but for 2/3 of the season (week 10 to week 34) their record was 17-6-2. They also reached the CL final by scoring 41(!) goals in 13 games. It took time but there were reasons for them to be positive. It wasn't just empty words and dreams of reliving the Boot Room days.
 
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To be in the title hunt most years.

To be a top CL club.

But that is obvious, why does it need to be posted?
We should only expect the occasional blip, the occassional transition year. Even then a transitional year should probably be a 4th place finish.

I dont even think its lofty to expect to be a perennial Champions League contender. We accrue way too much wealth to be sitting in 8th and be happy about it.
 
This is blatantly untrue. There have been periods where we had everyone available and we looked awful.

Yep, this total myth needs to die, fast. Basically since we got knocked out to Barca last season, after fluking it against PSG, the football has been largely awful regardless of who’s been on the pitch. The side that lost 0-2 to Cardiff on the final day, had Pogba playing as well most of the rest of our key players.
 
I think our expectations should be to aim for the top and try to win titles.
We are not a small side that should be happy with participation in Europe nor with just staying in the league.
I personally like ambitions even from smaller clubs. Leicester good example.
Even Wigan won the cup and went down, but they made history.

Playing safe and boring with the aim to earn as much money as possible suits the owners.
I hate that and we are not even doing that well since their aim is CL football and not much more. If we win titles we will earn money that way anyhow.
 
This is blatantly untrue. There have been periods where we had everyone available and we looked awful.
And yet our record against the top teams is very good this season. Ole must himself be a good coach to do well against the top coaches with such a thin squad.
Our problem, for a long time, has been against teams that defend deep due to not having enough creativity with Pogba missing and now Rashford injured.
It will be interesting to see how we do against these teams with Bruno playing and we can only hope that Ighalo will provide something up front given Martial's lack of dynamism.
 
Bailly = Flop, but can turn it around.
Mkhitaryan = Flop.
Ibrahimovic = Great signing, even if it was only for the short-term.
Pogba = Great signing, though hopefully there's still more to come from him.

Matic = Good signing, but a pretty short-term one tbh.
Lukaku = Was so poor last season that he left United therefore he can only be considered a flop. At least we recouped most of the money for him (I think).
Lindelof = Good signing, hasn't quite been great yet but hopefully there's more to come from him.

Sanchez = Diabolical signing, worst signing United has ever made in their premier league era.

Fred = Has been great since the start of December, starting to look like a successful signing.
Dalot = Has been injured too much so far but has shown glimpses of unreal quality for a right back (going forward), wait and see for Dalot.
Grant = I don't even really count him as a signing tbh. Nothing more to say about him.

Overall, 2/4 success rate first summer (but one of the two successes is no longer at the club), 2/3 success rate second summer, Sanchez was a disaster of a signing, 1/2 in the final summer window (Dalot has unfortunately been injured a lot so far and I don't really count Grant, no disrespect to him).

Our signings under Jose had a 50% success rate. Not quite good enough tbh, you want at least 2/3 of them to work out, 80% of them.

A bit of a late reply to this post of mine, but lets be fair here, Lukaku was not a flop, he did well for Jose's purpose for him, and Ole just didn't fancy him, and so for a while became an east target for fans, but I think he's had the last laugh so far..

And Sanchez I've always nailed my colours to him been a vanity signing, rather than Jose actually requesting him. So the only out and out flop so far is Mkhitaryan.

As I've made clear I am not a Jose fan, I just said he was clearly right with how he saw the squad, and was rightly miffed for not been backed in the 2018 summer window, heck I'm even still 'Ole in' on the vote!
 
Yep, this total myth needs to die, fast. Basically since we got knocked out to Barca last season, after fluking it against PSG, the football has been largely awful regardless of who’s been on the pitch. The side that lost 0-2 to Cardiff on the final day, had Pogba playing as well most of the rest of our key players.

It's also annoying because the team, even with injuries, should be performing better than it is. The caf is always an extreme place to find opinions but what we actually see on the pitch really hasn't been good enough both when Ole had a full squad and when he hasn't.

What people need to let sink in is that there is a correlation between the length of time Ole has been in charge and the steadily worsening results i.e. the longer he has had to implement his ideas, the worse it has become. That is even with the additions of Maguire, AWB and James who have improved the team without a doubt, which is even more worrying because I think individually we easily have a top 4 squad. Add Bruno and it will be tragic if we're not top 4 by the end of the season if you look at our team man for man vs others. A good manager will get a team working at a level that is greater than the sum of all its parts, with a bad one you just see a lot of individuals on the pitch. We'll still get wins and we'll turn up now and then in big games because we have a ridiculously expensive squad but we're not going to get close to Pool or City without a clear direction and a real identity in the team and, for me, that starts with the manager.
 
I really cannot understand this Ole in brigade logic? It is not even a brigade but more of a platoon. We finished 2nd with the squad Ole got mid season. Then he culled the squad and now we are no where near even the CL spot. So how can anyone else but the manager be responsible for our current situation?
 
Whether anyone is Ole in or out, we are clearly developing our side for the long run.

Not impulse buying a striker in the summer, waiting another year to see who else can be available, in hindsight looks a terrible decision but who was available?

OIe's biggest mistake which I think he regrets is putting faith in Pogba. He would have thought a fully fit Pogba for 3/4 of the season and others around him we will get top 4. That has backfired massively.

Pogba has 0 interest in Manutd and is only looking to get fit for the Euros, nothing else.

Tbh, I thought Pogba will be a key player for us this season, completely wrong I was.

It will require patience before we get things right.

Most of the Ole Out folks cant see what the management team are doing. People who have done change management or even build companies/operations from scratch will see it. It inevitably never works out in a straight line despite all the best planning.

At best, what you can hope for is a hockey curve in terms of performance.

You dont look at each line items and then use a microscope to judge each line item on a daily/weekly basis. You need to see in totality. Thus the daily moans of those who want him out for another knee jerk solution.
So we are thankful we dont have the moaners in-charge of United or we will be jumping from one hot manager to another.

Fyi. I dont see Ole being the long term manager at the moment -- but what he is doing as a re-build is in the right direction. Maybe he moves onto the DOF position later.
 
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Most of the Ole Out folks cant see what the management team are doing. People who have done change management or even build companies/operations from scratch will see it. It inevitably never works out in a straight line despite all the best planning.

At best, what you can hope for is a hockey curve in terms of performance.

You dont look at each line items and then use a microscope to judge each line item on a daily/weekly basis. You need to see in totality. Thus the daily moans of those who want him out for another knee jerk solution.


The only thing this management team are doing is fecking everything up.
 
Most of the Ole Out folks cant see what the management team are doing. People who have done change management or even build companies/operations from scratch will see it. It inevitably never works out in a straight line despite all the best planning.

At best, what you can hope for is a hockey curve in terms of performance.

You dont look at each line items and then use a microscope to judge each line item on a daily/weekly basis. You need to see in totality. Thus the daily moans of those who want him out for another knee jerk solution.
So we are thankful we dont have the moaners in-charge of United or we will be jumping from one hot manager to another.

Fyi. I dont see Ole being the long term manager at the moment -- but what he is doing as a re-build is in the right direction. Maybe he moves onto the DOF position later.
I really don't get this. If you give him credit for bringing in Maguire, AWB and James (three transfers that cumulatively rank a 6/10, IMO), then he also deserves blame for not properly replacing Lukaku and Sanchez (some seem to feel that getting rid of those two is some great victory in and of itself.) Furthermore, if he's getting the transfer credit, he also then bears the responsibility for us not bringing Bruno, or any other attacking mid, in over the summer, thereby leaving us with the likes of Pereira and Lingard playing regularly.

In short, I see very limited evidence to suggest he'd be much better in a DOF position than he is in a coaching one. One can't help but think that only fan nostalgia and affection for the player that Ole once was have lead people to think that he is a good fit in either a managerial or DOF capacity.
 
Most of the Ole Out folks cant see what the management team are doing. People who have done change management or even build companies/operations from scratch will see it. It inevitably never works out in a straight line despite all the best planning.

At best, what you can hope for is a hockey curve in terms of performance.

You dont look at each line items and then use a microscope to judge each line item on a daily/weekly basis. You need to see in totality. Thus the daily moans of those who want him out for another knee jerk solution.
So we are thankful we dont have the moaners in-charge of United or we will be jumping from one hot manager to another.

Fyi. I dont see Ole being the long term manager at the moment -- but what he is doing as a re-build is in the right direction. Maybe he moves onto the DOF position later.

Talking about totality and seeing the big picture.. and then saying Ole Gunnar Solsjkaer becoming DOF of one of the richest clubs in the world

AHHAHAAHAHAHA

u funny
 
I really don't get this. If you give him credit for bringing in Maguire, AWB and James (three transfers that cumulatively rank a 6/10, IMO), then he also deserves blame for not properly replacing Lukaku and Sanchez (some seem to feel that getting rid of those two is some great victory in and of itself.) Furthermore, if he's getting the transfer credit, he also then bears the responsibility for us not bringing Bruno, or any other attacking mid, in over the summer, thereby leaving us with the likes of Pereira and Lingard playing regularly.

In short, I see very limited evidence to suggest he'd be much better in a DOF position than he is in a coaching one. One can't help but think that only fan nostalgia and affection for the player that Ole once was have lead people to think that he is a good fit in either a managerial or DOF capacity.

I have written about this a number of times already so I will be accused of repeating myself here. The first point we need to accept is that United is run like a business and a football club second. And you can blame the Glazers.
If you accept that, then there are a number of objectives the business has to maintain.

1) Sustainable financial model.
2) Fiduciary obligations to its shareholders of maximising shareholder value.

After fecking up the football side for near a decade, they can finally see some mid-term implications in terms of football performance from their lack of investments to the tail end of the Fergie era. There is also the recognition of the galacticos players and managers approach to building a team has failed badly.

Both of these two factors has led the United higher-ups to conclude that they need a more long term, less opportunistic/haphazard approach to building a sustainable footballing model.

Then the next question is now what? They also know that we will be in the shitter for the next couple of years in terms of CL revenues. (The EPL revenues have marginal difference based on positions for a club the size of United in reality unless we lose our sparkle and get fewer TV appearance bonus.)

They have taken the approach of doing a root/branch teardown of the previous model into one of the New, Old United. One that is based on youth, team-approach to success with the occasional sprinkle of a 'superstar'.

See what we have in-house, maximise the resources internally then get what we need to plug the gaps externally.

We are in the 1st phase of maximising the internal resources -- which will include clearing out the deadwood.

All this has to be done within a budget -- duties to the shareholders in maximising the stock value -- and in view of the projected fall in revenues for the next couple of years. Thus the corresponded cost cuts ie primarily off-loading the salaries of the deadwood and bulking it up with academy players.... for now.

If we are successful, then we will loosen the financial sprocket to go big. Otherwise, in this build-up period, we will have a pretty strict budget, not necessarily small but within acceptable levels to ensure shareholder value/price.

Its an incremental approach that's targeted for a long term outcome. So unless United falls off the cliff performance-wise, I see Ole being there for the next season and possibly more to carry through this plan.
 
Liverpool, City all had weak seasons prior to building something.

Both Pep and Klopp had worse results and then followed by a new dawn.

Utter bullshit. The idea that we have to go backward to go forward is an excuse for Ole's incompetence. You even go further to use the two best managers in the world as examples and just shoot yourseld in the foot.

Pep in his first season took City from 4th position they got under Pellegrini the previous season to 3rd. The following seasons he won the Pl twice. Where is the step backward to go forward? Klopp in his first season took Liverpool from 12th to 8th. Next season to 4th. The next season to 4th and champions league final. The next season to 2nd and champions league winners. Where did they take a step backward to go forward. Pochettino took over Tottenham who came 6th under Sherwood. He took them to 5th to 3rd to 2nd. Where did they have to take a step backward to go forward? Conte has taken inter from 4th in their previous season under spaletti and are currently 1st. Where is the step backwards???
 
I have written about this a number of times already so I will be accused of repeating myself here. The first point we need to accept is that United is run like a business and a football club second.

So unless United falls off the cliff performance-wise,

Very few billion-dollar businesses that would appoint an inexperienced, highly underqualified top boss. Except maybe those that actively want to collapse. We're being run like a very poorly run football club.

I think we fell off that cliff some time ago. We've now been swept so far out to sea that the cliff is nothing more than a favourable memory.

Ole isn't good enough. He's done nothing to show that he will be good enough. Maybe one day he will be, but we should hire him on that day not before. He shouldn't be using Manchester United as his training wheels.
 
Very few billion-dollar businesses that would appoint an inexperienced, highly underqualified top boss. Except maybe those that actively want to collapse. We're being run like a very poorly run football club.

I think we fell off that cliff some time ago. We've now been swept so far out to sea that the cliff is nothing more than a favourable memory.

Ole isn't good enough. He's done nothing to show that he will be good enough. Maybe one day he will be, but we should hire him on that day not before. He shouldn't be using Manchester United as his training wheels.

Change management is an iceberg scenario. We dont know whats going on under the surface till later. We have been unlucky with injuries etc. But much of the issues of the past need to be corrected before moving forward.

Whether Ole is good enough remains to be seen. Its way too early to judge.
 
With Ed's quotes today i just have a horrible feeling we're going to stick with him in the summer and watch other, far better managers, go elsewhere and do nothing. Hope I'm wrong.
We deserve a trophy for stupidest club ever if we do that.
 
Most of the Ole Out folks cant see what the management team are doing. People who have done change management or even build companies/operations from scratch will see it. It inevitably never works out in a straight line despite all the best planning.

At best, what you can hope for is a hockey curve in terms of performance.

You dont look at each line items and then use a microscope to judge each line item on a daily/weekly basis. You need to see in totality. Thus the daily moans of those who want him out for another knee jerk solution.
So we are thankful we dont have the moaners in-charge of United or we will be jumping from one hot manager to another.

Fyi. I dont see Ole being the long term manager at the moment -- but what he is doing as a re-build is in the right direction. Maybe he moves onto the DOF position later.

Yeah he's doing a mysterious job, so mysterious that no one else can judge him except by being a total expert in company management. You need extra qualifications in order to see through what Ole is doing. Probably Ole himself can't see what he's doing judging by how he contradicts himself in pressers and says embarrassing things left, right and center but it's alright. Ole supporters need to comfort themselves that everything is going to be alright at one point..right? Right?
 
Very few billion-dollar businesses that would appoint an inexperienced, highly underqualified top boss. Except maybe those that actively want to collapse. We're being run like a very poorly run football club.
Football clubs do it all the time. Madrid with Solari, Arsenal with Arteta. Hoffenheim made headlines when they appointed a 28 year old to be their head coach. Not going to deny we are poorly run, but inexperience is no longer a barrier in the modern game.

I think we fell off that cliff some time ago. We've now been swept so far out to sea that the cliff is nothing more than a favourable memory.
I thought we finished 2nd not too long ago? Bit melodramatic isn't it

Ole isn't good enough. He's done nothing to show that he will be good enough. Maybe one day he will be, but we should hire him on that day not before. He shouldn't be using Manchester United as his training wheels.
He deserves at least until the end of the season for anyone to make that judgment. Of course we only see these type of opinions after a bad result and not a good one.
 
Football clubs do it all the time. Madrid with Solari, Arsenal with Arteta. Hoffenheim made headlines when they appointed a 28 year old to be their head coach. Not going to deny we are poorly run, but inexperience is no longer a barrier in the modern game.

That's what I said. We're run as a football club, not a business. A business wouldn't have hired Ole.

If Solari and Arteta are your examples of why we should persist with Ole then god help us. Hoffenheim spent 3 years working with Nagelsmann before he became manager. They knew his qualities. And besides, it's Hoffenheim. Smaller clubs can afford to take more risks on managers and players.

I thought we finished 2nd not too long ago? Bit melodramatic isn't it
Nope. Our performances are awful and have absolutely 'fallen off a cliff'.

He deserves at least until the end of the season for anyone to make that judgment. Of course we only see these type of opinions after a bad result and not a good one.

I disagree. I've considered Ole not good enough for some time. It could always be that different people have different opinions. And if we only see Ole 'not being good enough' voiced after a bad result, then I've no doubt we've seen that opinion an awful lot this past 12 months. I do agree that he should be given to the end of the season though, just because bringing in a new manager wouldn't save our season now anyway, and there's not really anyone available.

I would love for Ole to become a fantastic manager, and I hope that if he does we hire him back then.
 
Yeah he's doing a mysterious job, so mysterious that no one else can judge him except by being a total expert in company management. You need extra qualifications in order to see through what Ole is doing. Probably Ole himself can't see what he's doing judging by how he contradicts himself in pressers and says embarrassing things left, right and center but it's alright. Ole supporters need to comfort themselves that everything is going to be alright at one point..right? Right?
I was going to reply with something similar.

The “Ole In Brigade” can’t actually give a tangible reason as to why/what he has done to shoe progression so they’re now at a point where his defence is he’s doing things most can’t see/understand.

Teams don’t suddenly go from bad to good simply because their manager scored 4 goals in 10 minutes against Nottingham Forest decades ago. We would all love for OgS to be a decent manager but his best days at United were his playing ones.

Ole isn't good enough. He's done nothing to show that he will be good enough. Maybe one day he will be, but we should hire him on that day not before. He shouldn't be using Manchester United as his training wheels.
Exactly this.
Whether Ole is good enough remains to be seen. Its way too early to judge.
Nonsense.
 
Yeah he's doing a mysterious job, so mysterious that no one else can judge him except by being a total expert in company management. You need extra qualifications in order to see through what Ole is doing. Probably Ole himself can't see what he's doing judging by how he contradicts himself in pressers and says embarrassing things left, right and center but it's alright. Ole supporters need to comfort themselves that everything is going to be alright at one point..right? Right?

You must be one of the few who actually listen literally to whatever a manager says at a presser. Fergie was well known to contradict himself within a couple of minutes after a presser. Wenger too.

Good luck to you in life then! You will need it.
 
You must be one of the few who actually listen literally to whatever a manager says at a presser. Fergie was well known to contradict himself within a couple of minutes after a presser. Wenger too.

Good luck to you in life then! You will need it.
Well to be fair He's a manager and the club is in his hands. He's the most credible source to get important updates, He knows about the state of the club more than anyone. He's not your average neighbor who can constantly talks shite and gets away with it. If that's the case then We won't need press conferences, just read Daily Star. And We're not doing very well so people get worried when the manager keeps changing his tone, it's normal. Don't compare Ole to Sir Alex.
 
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I was going to reply with something similar.

The “Ole In Brigade” can’t actually give a tangible reason as to why/what he has done to shoe progression so they’re now at a point where his defence is he’s doing things most can’t see/understand.

Sounds a bit like the Lingard thread earlier this season
 
You must be one of the few who actually listen literally to whatever a manager says at a presser. Fergie was well known to contradict himself within a couple of minutes after a presser. Wenger too.

Good luck to you in life then! You will need it.
So let’s say he doesn’t always tell the truth in pressers, which are generally a waste of time anyway.

How in the hell do you know what he means if he’s not saying it? You’re giving OgS backing based on things he hasn’t said & more importantly stufff you can’t identify/know.

How about we judge him based on what we can unequivocally all see. His style of football has been regressive & unlike top coaches he is unable to coach up talent. He’s overseeing a historically bad season. So on. . .

You’re unable to provide any decent reason as to why what he is doing is positive other than, “I can see it but you can’t” which simply doesn’t work in a forum discussion
 
You must be one of the few who actually listen literally to whatever a manager says at a presser. Fergie was well known to contradict himself within a couple of minutes after a presser. Wenger too.

Good luck to you in life then! You will need it.

All Managers do, and now even more than ever, todays hacks are like slick Lawyers, and they hunt in packs, they know what they are doing, they probably take bets before hand on how many/few questions it will take to make the Manager look as though he doesn't know what day it is.

Considering I think Ole handles his pressers well.
 
All Managers do, and now even more than ever, todays hacks are like slick Lawyers, and they hunt in packs, they know what they are doing, they probably take bets before hand on how many/few questions it will take to make the Manager look as though he doesn't know what day it is.

Considering I think Ole handles his pressers well.

It's an obligation to the league. Key is not to give too much away.
 
I really don't get this. If you give him credit for bringing in Maguire, AWB and James (three transfers that cumulatively rank a 6/10, IMO), then he also deserves blame for not properly replacing Lukaku and Sanchez (some seem to feel that getting rid of those two is some great victory in and of itself.) Furthermore, if he's getting the transfer credit, he also then bears the responsibility for us not bringing Bruno, or any other attacking mid, in over the summer, thereby leaving us with the likes of Pereira and Lingard playing regularly.

In short, I see very limited evidence to suggest he'd be much better in a DOF position than he is in a coaching one. One can't help but think that only fan nostalgia and affection for the player that Ole once was have lead people to think that he is a good fit in either a managerial or DOF capacity.

That's not quite how it works though. The managers pick their targets and tell Ed and the board what players they want to keep in their squad on who is up for sale, its not the managers themselves who sits on the money and who negotiates the deals
 
Change management is an iceberg scenario. We dont know whats going on under the surface till later. We have been unlucky with injuries etc. But much of the issues of the past need to be corrected before moving forward.

Whether Ole is good enough remains to be seen. Its way too early to judge.
Im afraid its way too late to act!
 
I really don't get this. If you give him credit for bringing in Maguire, AWB and James (three transfers that cumulatively rank a 6/10, IMO), then he also deserves blame for not properly replacing Lukaku and Sanchez (some seem to feel that getting rid of those two is some great victory in and of itself.) Furthermore, if he's getting the transfer credit, he also then bears the responsibility for us not bringing Bruno, or any other attacking mid, in over the summer, thereby leaving us with the likes of Pereira and Lingard playing regularly.

In short, I see very limited evidence to suggest he'd be much better in a DOF position than he is in a coaching one. One can't help but think that only fan nostalgia and affection for the player that Ole once was have lead people to think that he is a good fit in either a managerial or DOF capacity.
This has been my exact point.

If we are giving OgS credit for outgoings he must get criticism for incoming transfers but no the “OgS defendants” who must work on the board in their spare time want to blame Woody when it goes wrong & praise OgS when it goes the way they like.

Judging transfers under OgS on facts not perception as you say would rank his work somewhere around 5-6/10 but because he’s been horrendous on the pitch fans with no actual facts of how our dealings work put all the blame on Woody for no one coming in & over-praise 3 mediocre summer transfers in his favour.

@Bobcat you make a fair assumption but how do you know for a fact a list of suitable/gettable players was given from OgS to Woodward? It’s all well to assume but if the list in the summer was headlined by Sancho [a player I’ve long believed we stand very little chance of actually getting because the club don’t want to sell etc.] then the flaws in the list are as bad as the inept negations Woodward has presided over previously.

We don’t know with any certainty that OgS provides a list & Woodward screws it up; what we do know is we have shown no real improvement on the pitch & transfers during his tenure have been. . . clumsy. You either give OgS some responsibility for transfers in & out or none at all surely.
 
It's an obligation to the league. Key is not to give too much away.
Not to give too much away, and don't try and be their friends.
Ok. So he’s a master tactician at the pressers.

Does this make up for his lack of tactical nouse in the dugout?

Let’s write off his pressers & look at the product on the pitch; he can say all he likes in a Friday cause come Saturday/Sunday we’re a shower most weeks. We’ve basically won a game a month most of this season in the league [someone listed it in a thread] that’s surely somewhat a flaw in the management.
 
I really cannot understand this Ole in brigade logic? It is not even a brigade but more of a platoon. We finished 2nd with the squad Ole got mid season. Then he culled the squad and now we are no where near even the CL spot. So how can anyone else but the manager be responsible for our current situation?

How can I understand your logic? Basically you're saying he should have stuck with what he had and attempted 4th place. We badly needed a huge overhaul and Ole's been the only manager since SAF to have the balls to do it.