It's easy to get caught up in the euphoria of an epic win. A large percentage of the fanbase felt as strongly as Rio that night, practically demanding Ole's position be made permanent off the back of that showing and the 10 games winning streak that preceded it.
No one could have predicted Ole would be sitting on a 33% win rate.
Yep, the old adage is true: don’t make long term decisions on the back of short term emotion.It's easy to get caught up in the euphoria of an epic win. A large percentage of the fanbase felt as strongly as Rio that night, practically demanding Ole's position be made permanent off the back of that showing and the 10 games winning streak that preceded it.
No one could have predicted Ole would be sitting on a 33% win rate.
Yep, the old adage is true: don’t make long term decisions on the back of short term emotion.
That's how I got all my kids...
Interesting.I don’t know how the Ole in brigade can back Ole at this point and see what Wilder is doing with Sheffield.
Their argument that no manager can do anything with this squad should be disproven after seeing what Wilder is doing with a team much worse than ours. Ole is out of his depth and I hope we are already in talks with Pochettino to take over in the summer.
I don’t know how the Ole in brigade can back Ole at this point and see what Wilder is doing with Sheffield.
Their argument that no manager can do anything with this squad should be disproven after seeing what Wilder is doing with a team much worse than ours. Ole is out of his depth and I hope we are already in talks with Pochettino to take over in the summer.
our strategy has a long term objective and that is not necessarily to be 4th now, but to build a squad to be 1st in a couple of years or so
Wilder can only dream of accomplishing what Pochettino has done . Even though Wilder is doing great this season, his season can be described as an anomaly because he has not shown the consistency yet to do it over multiple seasons. Next season Sheffield could relegated, so I will wait until he has another season under his belt before he can even be mentioned in the same sentence as one of the top two managers in football. Pochettino side was in a transitional period, where poor performances were natural due to the amazing cycle that just ended where he took a team with nothing spent to top four and a champion league final. I can say that Wilder in his career will never accomplish that .Interesting.
However it could also be argued that Wilder is doing better with a worse squad than Pochettino had when sacked for being 14th and, Champions League aside, having a poorer end to last season than Ole post December.
Also Wilder had the luxury of building his team relatively out of the public eye in the Championship and his credentials are in fact no better than Moyes at Everton at this point.
Sheffield United's squad has better balance than ours at the moment but our strategy has a long term objective and that is not necessarily to be 4th now, but to build a squad to be 1st in a couple of years or so.
Maybe we should hire Wilder since he has achieved more silverware than Poch, who flatters to deceive.
I get you but you didn't really answer the question or maybe your answer was too indirect or my question wasn't phrased well.
Everybody knows a DOF can fix this mess but what if we don't get one and we're stuck with Ed and the Glazers. So what do you think we should do regarding Ole if Ed and the Glazers stay? Stick with him? Sack him and bring in someone else?
In the interview on Sky this week, he says he went to Ole :
" I think I had to rediscover myself. Last year was difficult for me on the professional side, because stuff was not going how I wanted and I was not performing as well.
So I had to find it within myself what was lacking and came to the conclusion that it was time for me to change environment.
I made my decision around March, and I went to the manager's office and told him it was time for me to find something else.
I wasn't performing and I wasn't playing. I think it was better for both sides to go separate ways. I think I made the right decision. "
To me that sounds an awful lot like a player asking to leave, no? He wasn't performing so Ole wasn't playing him...
You do understand he was pushed out. Players get treated in a way where the professional pride makes them realise they are not wanted.
He was suddenly dropped when Ole came and it was done in the way that made it obvious he wasn’t part of Ole’s plans. It was last year people remember. In March when Ole became permanent manager is when he went to ask for it. Also fact that Ole so easily accepted it shows Ole wanted him out. Don’t give me that “not keeping players who don’t want to be here“ crap cos Pogba proves that theory wrong.
Only one player I know who was content to stay as a sub and even when his manager accepted an offer for him still stayed. That says a lot about that players lack of pride and integrity...when you consider reds like Phil Neville and Nicky Butt moved on once offers were accepted for them.
. Maybe we should hire Ranieri or Di Matteo as well
If they failed. Then what Ole is doing is murdering the clubPrecisely. We have had two of the best managers in world football and they had both failed.
What makes you think Poch will be successful when he has not proven zilch? Its just the grass is greener, kneejerk mentality thats awash in this forum.
If they failed. Then what Ole is doing is murdering the club
Precisely. We have had two of the best managers in world football and they had both failed.
What makes you think Poch will be successful when he has not proven zilch? Its just the grass is greener, kneejerk mentality thats awash in this forum.
Precisely. We have had two of the best managers in world football and they had both failed.
What makes you think Poch will be successful when he has not proven zilch? Its just the grass is greener, kneejerk mentality thats awash in this forum.
Precisely. We have had two of the best managers in world football and they had both failed.
What makes you think Poch will be successful when he has not proven zilch? Its just the grass is greener, kneejerk mentality thats awash in this forum.
I get you admire Poch however the myth that spurs were a nothing side before him has to stop. Spurs had been improving year on year under Jol and Redknapp. In fact Rednapp took them to a CL semi final with the supposedly inferior squad. I’m sure our resident Spurs supporters would agree with me?Wilder can only dream of accomplishing what Pochettino has done . Even though Wilder is doing great this season, his season can be described as an anomaly because he has not shown the consistency yet to do it over multiple seasons. Next season Sheffield could relegated, so I will wait until he has another season under his belt before he can even be mentioned in the same sentence as one of the top two managers in football. Pochettino side was in a transitional period, where poor performances were natural due to the amazing cycle that just ended where he took a team with nothing spent to top four and a champion league final. I can say that Wilder in his career will never accomplish that .
Exactly. Think it’s just the Ole in new spin , to say top managers already failed. But if 2nd place and winning cups is failing then what do we call the catastrophe that Ole is doing.Do they failed though?
Or was it our expectations wasn't realistic?
A 2nd place and a few cups isn't failed in my eyes. Especially we're up agains 100 pts city.
Murdering the club.What would you call what Ole is doing if those managers failed?
Bailly = Flop, but can turn it around.I've always questioned if Sanchez was actually Jose's signing, Fred too, but Mhiki aside, were the rest really flops? Ibra was stellar, Lukaku scored plenty, Lindelof is first choice CB, Matic was fine for a short time, Dalot is just a kid, Bailly has been injured most of the time, and Pogba is a top player, that is not in question, it's just not working out for him here.
We all knew this with Jose, so why start the job if you're not going to finish it, it's like him asking for older established players and then getting grumpy when it didn't happen was a surprise, did Woodward actually know what he was hiring?
And who's to say if he had got a CB what we might have achieved, but the team has been ripped up once again now, maybe with hindsight just getting Maguire a season earlier might have been a better and cheaper idea.
Things are infinitely worse now that much is clear.
Precisely. We have had two of the best managers in world football and they had both failed.
What makes you think Poch will be successful when he has not proven zilch? Its just the grass is greener, kneejerk mentality thats awash in this forum.
Precisely. We have had two of the best managers in world football and they had both failed.
What makes you think Poch will be successful when he has not proven zilch? Its just the grass is greener, kneejerk mentality thats awash in this forum.
I get you admire Poch however the myth that spurs were a nothing side before him has to stop. Spurs had been improving year on year under Jol and Redknapp. In fact Rednapp took them to a CL semi final with the supposedly inferior squad. I’m sure our resident Spurs supporters would agree with me?
Also, outside of raising a top 6 team to a top 4 team what has he done to be considered one of the Top 2 managers in the world? As much as I hate to admit it that is definitely Klopp and Guardiola, in fact I would say that If anything Poch may or may not even be top 10.
Precisely. We have had two of the best managers in world football and they had both failed.
What makes you think Poch will be successful when he has not proven zilch? Its just the grass is greener, kneejerk mentality thats awash in this forum.
Precisely. We have had two of the best managers in world football and they had both failed.
What makes you think Poch will be successful when he has not proven zilch? Its just the grass is greener, kneejerk mentality thats awash in this forum.
Bailly = Flop, but can turn it around.
Mkhitaryan = Flop.
Ibrahimovic = Great signing, even if it was only for the short-term.
Pogba = Great signing, though hopefully there's still more to come from him.
Matic = Good signing, but a pretty short-term one tbh.
Lukaku = Was so poor last season that he left United therefore he can only be considered a flop. At least we recouped most of the money for him (I think).
Lindelof = Good signing, hasn't quite been great yet but hopefully there's more to come from him.
Sanchez = Diabolical signing, worst signing United has ever made in their premier league era.
Fred = Has been great since the start of December, starting to look like a successful signing.
Dalot = Has been injured too much so far but has shown glimpses of unreal quality for a right back (going forward), wait and see for Dalot.
Grant = I don't even really count him as a signing tbh. Nothing more to say about him.
Overall, 2/4 success rate first summer (but one of the two successes is no longer at the club), 2/3 success rate second summer, Sanchez was a disaster of a signing, 1/2 in the final summer window (Dalot has unfortunately been injured a lot so far and I don't really count Grant, no disrespect to him).
Our signings under Jose had a 50% success rate. Not quite good enough tbh, you want at least 2/3 of them to work out, 80% of them.
How does one Murder a club?
Never ending story with Lukaku and Ole. No matter how many times you repeat that, people still will believe what they want.In the interview on Sky this week, he says he went to Ole :
" I think I had to rediscover myself. Last year was difficult for me on the professional side, because stuff was not going how I wanted and I was not performing as well.
So I had to find it within myself what was lacking and came to the conclusion that it was time for me to change environment.
I made my decision around March, and I went to the manager's office and told him it was time for me to find something else.
I wasn't performing and I wasn't playing. I think it was better for both sides to go separate ways. I think I made the right decision. "
To me that sounds an awful lot like a player asking to leave, no? He wasn't performing so Ole wasn't playing him...
Never ending story with Lukaku and Ole. No matter how many times you repeat that, people still will believe what they want.
Ole didn't see Lukaku as a first option striker. Last year Ole had his "Rashford striker" project. Lukaku himself said that he knew it is finished when Ole put him on the wing. ("Once I learned that [Ole Gunnar] Solsjkaer planned to put me on the wing, then I knew my time at Manchester United was over."). Ole maybe wanted Lukaku to stay but as a cover option. Of course that Lukaku decided to go somewhere where he will play on his position in first 11.
So yes, Lukaku wanted to leave but he was forced to leave.
Yes, the children are the ones you're throwing insults at. Just think about that one for a second.Murdering the club! The children are getting more and more tetchy that they're not getting what they want.
Precisely. We have had two of the best managers in world football and they had both failed.
What makes you think Poch will be successful when he has not proven zilch? Its just the grass is greener, kneejerk mentality thats awash in this forum.
Interesting.
However it could also be argued that Wilder is doing better with a worse squad than Pochettino had when sacked for being 14th and, Champions League aside, having a poorer end to last season than Ole post December.
Also Wilder had the luxury of building his team relatively out of the public eye in the Championship and his credentials are in fact no better than Moyes at Everton at this point.
Sheffield United's squad has better balance than ours at the moment but our strategy has a long term objective and that is not necessarily to be 4th now, but to build a squad to be 1st in a couple of years or so.
It's quite simple really.I don’t understand this point. How can our objective be to be first in a few years, but not involve being 4th along the way? Surely there should be markers of progress along the way to the end point, no? A team isn’t going to magically jump from being 8th to winning the league, Leicester aside. A long term goal is achieved by attaining a series of shorter term goals that lead in the direction of that long term goal, you can’t say that our goal is to be good in a few years, but that doesn’t mean we need to show any signs of improvement right now.