I mean come on man, Poch has absolutely proven so far in his career that he's a much better manager than Ole. That's not even debatable.
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I mean come on man, Poch has absolutely proven so far in his career that he's a much better manager than Ole. That's not even debatable.
But we've already had two world-class managers and both failed. I think we should just stick to Ole and continue failing. I mean, what has Poch won, he's not even world-class. What does he know about managing sides with little spending money.
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Poor Ole is looking more and more at sea during and after games. We all know that injuries have forced him to play unproven players and that what gives him some slack. I reckon if we do manage to win a cup and or make the top four, Woodward will stick with him as he’s cheap compared to Poch. In the meantime, it’s squeaky bum time.
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In his first full season at Southampton, Pochettino led the team to an eighth-placed finish, their highest league position since 2002–03, while also recording their highest points tally since the Premier League began in 1992–93.[5][unreliable source?]
Tottenham Hotspur[edit]
On 27 May 2014, Pochettino was appointed head coach of Tottenham Hotspur on a five-year contract, becoming their tenth manager over a 12-year span.[80] The following 28 January, the team reached the final of the League Cup following a 3–2 aggregate win over Sheffield United, only to be beaten 2–0 by Chelsea in the decisive game at Wembley Stadium.[81] In the domestic league, his first season was generally successful, ending in a fifth-placed finish and the conversion of several young academy players into regular first-team players; he put one of those graduates, Harry Kane, as starting striker at the expense of Spanish international Roberto Soldado, a gamble which paid off[82] as Kane and his teammates Dele Alli and Eric Dier were touted as the potential basis for the England squad at UEFA Euro 2016.[83][unreliable source?]
Tottenham were in contention to win the league in 2015–16, but on 2 May 2016 they drew 2–2 against Chelsea, confirming Leicester City as champions. The game at Stamford Bridge saw the former receive a league record nine yellow cards, and Pochettino entered the pitch in the first half to separate his left back Danny Rose from a confrontation with Chelsea winger Willian.[84] Spurs also lost in their last match of the season, ceding the league runners-up spot to rival Arsenal[85] – it was still good enough for their highest league finish since 1990.[86]
On 12 May 2016, Pochettino agreed to an extension to his contract, committing him to the club until 2021[87] as it was also confirmed that his title had changed from that of "head coach" to "manager", although he confirmed that the role itself was no different.[88] The campaign began with a series of 12 unbeaten league matches that ended with a defeat away to Chelsea in late November.[89] However, inconsistencies which saw them being eliminated from UEFA Champions League and League Cup contention[90] meant that they fell some way behind the leaders Chelsea who had a run of 13 wins (ended by a loss to Tottenham in January 2017).[91]
Pochettino's side eventually finished in second place with 86 points, their highest-ever tally since the English League began under the new denomination[92] and their highest ranking in 54 years since 1962–63 under Bill Nicholson,[93] and the first season-long unbeaten home run in 52 years since 1964–65 was also achieved.[94][95]
On 24 May 2018, Pochettino signed a new five-year contract to keep him at Tottenham until 2023.[96] In December 2018, Pochettino won his 100th Premier League match as manager of Tottenham after a late win against Burnley; he became the first Tottenham manager to reach this milestone and the third quickest Premier League manager to achieve the feat with a single club.[97]
On 8 May 2019, Pochettino led Tottenham into the 2019 UEFA Champions League Final, the first Champions League/European Cup final in the club's history after beating Ajax on away goals (3–3 aggregate),[7] with his side coming back from a 2–0 deficit (3–0 aggregate) at half-time in Amsterdam, only for Lucas Moura to score a second-half hat-trick.[98] The final ended in a 2–0 defeat to Liverpool.[99]
On 19 November 2019, Pochettino was sacked by Tottenham Hotspur with the side placed 14th in the Premier League table, with chairman Daniel Levy citing "extremely disappointing" domestic results as the reason behind the dismissal.[100][101] Pochettino was succeeded by José Mourinho.[102]
Whether anyone is Ole in or out, we are clearly developing our side for the long run.
Not impulse buying a striker in the summer, waiting another year to see who else can be available, in hindsight looks a terrible decision but who was available?
OIe's biggest mistake which I think he regrets is putting faith in Pogba. He would have thought a fully fit Pogba for 3/4 of the season and others around him we will get top 4. That has backfired massively.
Pogba has 0 interest in Manutd and is only looking to get fit for the Euros, nothing else.
Tbh, I thought Pogba will be a key player for us this season, completely wrong I was.
It will require patience before we get things right.
Not impulse buying a striker in the summer, waiting another year to see who else can be available, in hindsight looks a terrible decision but who was available?
OIe's biggest mistake which I think he regrets is putting faith in Pogba. He would have thought a fully fit Pogba for 3/4 of the season and others around him we will get top 4. That has backfired massively.
Pogba has 0 interest in Manutd and is only looking to get fit for the Euros, nothing else.
Tbh, I thought Pogba will be a key player for us this season, completely wrong I was.
It will require patience before we get things right.
I agree we have tried with actual coaches before and it didnt worked out, maybe we should try with basketball players you know since we tried with footballers and we all saw what happened.
Ole is tied with Klopp as the third/fourth best paid manager in the premier league, at least they have that in common.
I agree with your point.
If you are going to be patient why bid £30m for Josh King.
Seems like Ole only wants players he has managed, or knows someone who has.
Maguire was managed by Mike Phelan
James was a Giggs
AWB was probably one the club targetted.
It is annoying because Ole is stubborn on this, if he was a bit more open to players joining, Bruno would have signed in the summer.
So Ole blocked the Bruno signing in the summer? That's just reaching now, come on..
So why didn't we sign him in the summer?
I have two theories
1. Pogba - he was a replacement and Ole put his faith in Pogba backfired.
2. What has been reported in the media - Ole was not impressed by his passing success rate.
With Ed's quotes today i just have a horrible feeling we're going to stick with him in the summer and watch other, far better managers, go elsewhere and do nothing. Hope I'm wrong.
So are you saying Bruno was never a serious target? Only a Pogba replacement if he went/Or we had an injury crisis?
Yeah, that's the feeling I get. Considering we had a whole summer and whole winter to negotiate and just about managed to.
Nothing about that deal scream, Manutd really wanted the player.
What happens when you fall so far behind the elite level players have no interest in joining?.What happens when you have a manager that has very little credibility and no pedigree?.
It’s a nice idea to hold off buying these elite players but then you need to be able to actually stay competitive. Maguire has taken a backward step, that’s not why he joined.
There has to some form of progression and something to buy into. A three year plan to finish first with Ole was a tough sell, a two year plan from a worse position is pretty laughable.
Can try to put spin on it but the team is going backwards and has a manager with no reputation at this level, that’s not helping club move forward.
So Liverpool were were elite when they signed VVD, Mane, Roberston, Salah?
So in your opinon who should we get as manager?
Maguire joined because he has been sold a rebuild - a rebuild that takes a few seasons not something that happens overnight.
Sometimes you have to go backwards to go forwards.
Not the best comparison you’ve made there. Three of those players joined a team in the Champions League, a team that we’re progressing and managed by one of top managers in Europe. See the difference?.
Maguire didn’t join to finish below Leicester and watch them in the Champions League next season. Utd finished six last year not far off top four, things were supposedly getting better not worse.
And yet he still joined, despite a 'nobody' manager. Kind of defeats our own argument.
So now you are changing the goal post? I guess Leicester will attract Sancho and the liked next season because they are a progressing team in CL and managed by a decent manager?
Players come to join something, they are sold a plan. If Sancho is sold a plan that he will be the main man along with the ones we have and ones we sign, who is to say he wont want to join?
I might be wrong, but we managed to attract Bruno as well.
We heard similar excuses made for Moyes and Van Gaal and it turned out that we only had a reverse gear. Can you think of many examples (without mentioning you know who) of a worsening of results for a sustained period followed by a new dawn? I generally see new managers at ambitious clubs either achieving noticeable improvements in a short space of time (recent example include Rodgers, Conte and Ancelotti) or getting the boot.
Of course we’ll do exactly that. We’re never pro active anymore with decisions
No idea what saying about Sancho and Leicester, just pointing out Maguire has gone backwards, I doubt he was sold that.
How am I moving the goalposts, it’s not even a criticism of Ole it’s just the reality of the situation. Liverpool had Klopp, Champions League football and progress to offer those three players. Like I said it backs up what you are trying to sell, that team is going places, that manager is going somewhere and progress is being made.
We won’t be in Champions League, don’t have a highly regarded manager, looking at lowest ever Premier League points tally, possibly lowest finish, it’s not really a comparison.
It’s all about credibility, we have very little with Ole in charge, our three year plan is comical if try to pretend it’s all going well. If your ambitious your less likely to join Utd than you were a year ago.
Liverpool, City all had weak seasons prior to building something.
Both Pep and Klopp had worse results and then followed by a new dawn.
Pep and Klopp did not have worse results than us while they were in charge.
Why does it have to be us?
Can anyone post Ed's quotes, please.
On your logic, Leicester should be able to attract Sancho? he would see Leicester a better project than United cause they are improving, have CL next season?
But Maguire knew who the manager of the club is, so did Bruno and they signed.
Rashford knew who the manager is before he signed a new contract as well.
Were you not saying that Pep and Klopp had worse results than us?
Not my logic at all that’s how your twisting it to try and seem like you have an argument, Leicester wouldn’t even be trying to sign Sancho so totally pointless. I only mentioned Leicester in relation to Maguire as I don’t believe he joined to finish below them and watch them play in Champions League. But they will absolutely be more attractive to players than a year ago or do you not believe that? If so why?. Will players be put off by Champions League football, rather be in Europa or even better no European football at all.
I’m only saying what anyone should be able to happily admit, if we had a better manager, champions League football, evidence of progress that makes it easier to attract players. By basically doing the opposite of that it gets harder, i know you like to pretend Klopp and Pep were in same boat but the truth wherever you realise it or not is they weren’t.
A year ago we had a three year plan to win league, now it’s a two year plan from worse position than a year ago (and worst ever position since Premier League started).
Thanks, mate. It looks like Ed is expecting us to finish in top 4, taking into account the vast amounts spent since Ole's arrival. If we finish outside of CL places, we will have a new manager come summer imho.
Can't be real. Talking about no shortage in investments sounds like we are not going to go big this summer either
. Probably true, but would he talk towards that way already.
Sounds like he might keep Ole with little investment and hope it magically works.
I totally agree with you that without CL football we will struggle to sign players. This is why the next few months are important.
If we do not see any improvement, there is no chance Ole will do anything better than he has done.
If we have a purple patch then there is a chance we sign someone decent
Pep and Klopp were similar but they both had a style of play and kept with it, Ole changes his style of play, meaning he doesnt trust his style or hasn't got him.
It's disgusting we're in the situation where in many ways we'd be better off nose diving down the table than limping to a pathetic top 6 finish. How has it been allowed to come to this.
I do believe that our average net spent is limited at around 100 million quid a year. I doubt we will buy more than 2 proven and established players if there are no major departures.Can't be real. Talking about no shortage in investments sounds like we are not going to go big this summer either
Probably true, but would he talk towards that way already.
Sounds like he might keep Ole with little investment and hope it magically works.
That sounds very depressing. A good manager could do a lot with little, but not sure we will get one.
We have the money, but also parasite owners.
A serious question to everyone, when was the last time a manager did very well in recruitment but failed to get good results and eventually got sacked?
Because I can't remember any manager who did as well as Ole in the transfer market, I feel all his 4 signings have been excellent although it's too early to tell. He even used the previous managers signing Lindelof and Fred very well.
With Jose, he complained about his own signing Henrikh Mkhitaryan very early into the transfer, even Fred. Eventually he complained about Pogba and even after signing Lindelof, didn't use him as much as Ole did this year.
Because I can't remember any manager who did as well as Ole in the transfer market, I feel all his 4 signings have been excellent although it's too early to tell. He even used the previous managers signing Lindelof and Fred very well.
With Jose, he complained about his own signing Henrikh Mkhitaryan very early into the transfer, even Fred. Eventually he complained about Pogba and even after signing Lindelof, didn't use him as much as Ole did this year.
We are in for a serious storm and I doubt we have a proper captain and crew to navigate through it. We are reaching new lows after SAF's departure. What a time to be alive... for noisy neighbours and scousers.
I would argue that we are not a club which wants to move forward (at the financial cost it would takes).
Why do I say this?
Jose wanted to go for the title and expected another cash injection in the Summer 2018 window, after getting 2nd place. Woodward (in his actions), told him that 2nd place was good enough and that he wouldn't get the players he wanted, but that the squad he had was good enough (for top 4). The problem was that Jose was not satisfied with top 4, so he engineered a way to get himself fired.
If our club had the ambition, we could turn our current situation around in less than 2 years, but I just don't see the will to do this. Even fans are accepting poor results for several years, with the excuse of "we are rebuilding".
While we lack ambition, the next 2-3 years could see us finish 4th-7th place, after which we will turn to another manager.
This is blatantly untrue. There have been periods where we had everyone available and we looked awful.