I dont like that demotey thing!!!
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I dont like that demotey thing!!!
Please continue. I'm going to try to moderate the matchday as it happens this week. I have removed quite a few for cocking around in the matchday threads after the last few debacles and I hope the message is getting through.
Seems like a fairly healthy discussion in this thread anyway.
Why not put it to a referendum like poll? Let the posters decide if the Mods cant.
Why not put it to a referendum like poll? Let the posters decide if the Mods cant.
It's been a healthy discussion roughly since you stopped posting bollocks in it, you cockmuncher
Do I need to post noodlehair again at this juncture?
It certainly wouldn't harm
A vote? What could possibly go wrong?
And the mods seem pretty much of one mind on this which is in agreement with Niall's view that it isn't going to happen.
The admins are discussion options around the demotion idea at the moment.
I hope this helps.
I feel we need to have a 'Possible Demotions' thread in the Mod Room where we fight Hull-style over people and come to a consensus, otherwise it will be open to abuse.
I'm very much in the Davo/Plech camp
The demotions idea in theory might work, but it has it's own problems. As Davo said, it has to be done carefully or the forum will suffer.
Also, you have to give new posters a chance. Probably half of the better posters here started out as muppets, and only then became better contributers, once they'd had a chance to settle in and get a feel for the forum. That will no longer be able to happen; no one's going to be arsed having to repeatedly prove themselves again and again to some cretins on an internet forum. Why should they have to?
The newbie is starting to work better and better as a means to get posters used to the Caf. I really think things went off the rails in there for a year or so until this new points system, and we let a lot of tards and CM kiddies in. Most of the utter cretins of late have not been people who joined in the last few months, but people who have had a year to aclimatise, and if you're still a retard after a year and a couple of thousand posts, I think you've had your chance at that stage.
It will be difficult to determine who is who, but if it is done with an eye towards leniency and a light touch (as in only demoting the true repeated cretins) then it seems like it would work.
We'll have to find out.
Did you see the Hair Noodle above? I thought it was quite good now that the jar picture seems to have disappeared from the internet.
It will be difficult to determine who is who, but if it is done with an eye towards leniency and a light touch (as in only demoting the true repeated cretins) then it seems like it would work.
We'll have to find out.
Did you see the Hair Noodle above? I thought it was quite good now that the jar picture seems to have disappeared from the internet.
Demotions to the newbies might have a detrimental effect on a system working fine (newbies).
Why should the newbs have to suffer retards?
Why should the newbs have to suffer retards?
I really think things went off the rails in there for a year or so until this new points system, and we let a lot of tards and CM kiddies in. Most of the utter cretins of late have not been people who joined in the last few months, but people who have had a year to aclimatise, and if you're still a retard after a year and a couple of thousand posts, I think you've had your chance at that stage.
...or they could have been fine in the newbs and started to go of the rails by learning to be tards from more experienced posters.
So you'd rather ban them than giving them a second chance to not act like spastoids?
That's another nonsensical argument. People have always behaved like retards in the general, but they kept it there, they didn't go and feck around acting like cocks in the football forum as a rule.
Those that do it only in the football forum, or across the entire site have not learned such behaviour from any long standing experienced poster. The rot started to set in around late 2003 when the new forum software and the newbie system was introduced.
You don't actually find that many long serving posters in the football forums anymore, because they either don't go in there or they fecked off completely. It may also explain why Davo keeps making threads such as this one.
Idiots/simpletons don't get banned...
They could be demoted to a new user group/forum (Bury's suggestion) where they (spazzers) would be able to mess around without much modding, leaving the United forum for serious discussions - pretty much on the lines of the General, only difference being it would be football related.
Why spoil something which at long last is working (Newbie Forum) by contaminating newcomers with the habits of those whom we wish would go away?
Fairy nuff.
A 'demotions forum'. Interesting notion that.
A 'demotions forum'. Interesting notion that.
Plastics Purgatory
You'll find the internet boom started around the time you suggest. The Cafe membership before 2003 will have mostly been of posters dedicated to discussing football.
Isn't it just the same thing as we already have, but with a cool name so all the inhabitants can feel superior? Will all the senior posters suddenly feel the need to discuss football more than they already do?
It is a problem. There are a lot of good and sensible posters who get missed because they don't post much. If you do positive selection of people with access to a forum, you miss them out, the new forum suffers, and they get pissed off. If you do negative selection, you have the same problem with the posters who only post now and again, but it's usually rubbish.
3 tiers are not necessary, IMO, and I'd be prepared to make a bet that introducing a new forum with restricted access would be so fractious that it could make the problem, such as it is, much worse.
No. At the moment we have one football forum. If we had a sub-forum that was heavily moderated, threads with a lot of potential were moved in, shit ones were moved out, and posters being a pain in the arse were told to sod off, what you'd get is an area of the site where discussion could consistently taske place at a level of better quality, without losing the other sort of banter.
My feeling, and correct me if I'm wrong, is that your main objection is based on a gut dislike of any kind of elitism or cliquery. I dare say we've encouraged this with a few "so what, I am elitist" comments. But it's not actually about feeling "superior"... I honestly am not interested in the obscure ego-boost of being deemed part of an elite on the fecking Caf. It's actually about being able to have a decent conversation, like we used to (albeit no, it was never Utopia - Boring, Syd, Devilish and Marching regularly carried threads off into their communal autistic sunset.)
Yes, I think they would. But the issue is really not about "superior posters". I don't think anyone wants to discuss the game only with six or ten like-minded and like-sense-of-humoured cnuts... that would get almost as dull. What it's about, is stopping threads with potential to be interesting getting constantly ruined by bickering.
Re fractiousness, i still don't see the problem... so the sort of poster who repeatedly writes "Yeah but what are you doing on a United board anyway??!??!
", in place of an argument, gets pissed off... who else cares?Re positive selection, you're probably right
With negative selection, maybe one way would be instead of bannings or cannings, to basically kick them out the thread. After this happened a few times, they'd get the message.
What is this "3 tier" business? We're talking one sub-forum... unless you're counting noodle's "Non-Richter" forum?
Re fractiousness, i still don't see the problem... so the sort of poster who repeatedly writes "Yeah but what are you doing on a United board anyway??!??!
Re positive selection, you're probably right
With negative selection, maybe one way would be instead of bannings or cannings, to basically kick them out the thread. After this happened a few times, they'd get the message.
What is this "3 tier" business? We're talking one sub-forum... unless you're counting noodle's "Non-Richter" forum?
Kicking out of threads isn't practical and may not even be possible, I think.
We disagree on this, and I'm losing the will to post any more about it (sorry), unless it's in rhyme, obviously.
You haven't explained that "3-tier"
You cephalically flammable queer
You cephalically flammable queer
I'm against the whole idea now. . . only because Plech is passionately for it.
There are currently newbies and main forum posters -
2 tiers - now shut up, I'm eating some Boasters.
I don't actually care, I'm only in it cos it irritates Jason
And there's mods and then admin and Niall
That makes six - you look like Ardian Chiles
I'm actually for it, P.
But then again, I helped start two breakaway forums.
But then again, I helped start two breakaway forums.
There's also a mod and an admin forum, the first of which Sincher has access to...the daft weirdo
I can see what sincher's getting at, but I agree with you. If we worked on the basis of just turfing out innapropriate threads/posters/Richter, then it'd be little different from any other forum on here. Some posters wouldn't want to post in there, but it'd be their choice, same as how a large number of posters avoid the CE forum, due to the fact it bores them to tears. It'd be a matter of preference, for the most part.
He is right that it's impossible to ban someone from a specific thread though, so that might prove a problem.
I'm not saying we should definitely do it, I don't feel the need for such a forum in the way Plech, Davo and a few others do. Just feel it's not a bad idea, the arguments against it are easy to work around, and since most feel that something needs to be done, it's better than the alternatives.
I also agree with Adrian Chiles about the problem being overstated.
Let Sultan sort it out
Kinell, check out the hidden streak of ruthlessness in Sults. Good going, Sults.
Niall, you're one slack cnut
Niall, you're one slack cnut
A surprise to see Sultan at the top by such a far margin.. unless you made it up!
It would have been better to know the bannings outside of the newbie forum, that way the numbers aren't distorted by simple spammers/re-registered posters.
It would have been better to know the bannings outside of the newbie forum, that way the numbers aren't distorted by simple spammers/re-registered posters.
the system wont allow us to distinguish that
Cheeky git!
Can an admin remind me how I ban someone so I can can this fecker...
Just ask Sults... he'd probably have me shot for a tenner
Sults, I'll give you £20 if you do it now.
That's the last time you call me 'gay', Colin.
That's the last time you call me 'gay', Colin.
Sults, I'll give you a United shirt signed by Clayton Blackmore if you delete Sincher's legs