I'll give you a match ball signed by the entire 1990 team if you take the legs that you deleted from me and kick Plechazunga's head with them until point of death, and then say 'Have that Colin'.
That Sensible Football Forum
- Thread starter Davo
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I don't see how this proposal is going to help anything.
When you're trailing Yaps, who has been dead since 2005, you know there's a problem.
Sults goes through every morning and deletes the previous day's obvious WUM registrations. He's not sitting in wait in the Transfer Forum waiting to pounce or anything.
Don't make excuses for him man... he's a butcher
Only Besty will do - on a 2007 Black away kit.
I, along with Marchers ban around 20 posters a day, that's before they even hit the newbies...
Let Sultan sort it out
That excludes the 6-7000 I have banned by regularly pruning the inactive newbies.
I demand a recount. Breakaway forums have been formed over less.
Slackers
I also often ban by giving 15 point infractions which also don't show up.
That means I have banned at least 10,000 of the 8,700 banned members.
Probably.
That means I have banned at least 10,000 of the 8,700 banned members.
Probably.
I do the infraction points trick all of the time too. A nice convenient system for slipping in a sly little ban here and there.
A lad just got a suspension on YAWN for telling a joke which was deemed 'poor taste' (It was too as it goes, about the McCanns). He's a regular on there and bizarrely whilst he can't actually post whilst suspended he can access the general forum and read all threads. He made a basic error confirming this to me by e-maail, I've since grassed him up and everybody is now on there is calling him a speccy four eyed gimpy cnut.
It's something the mods may wish to consider, temporary suspension whilst reading in silence what your peers think of you.
It's something the mods may wish to consider, temporary suspension whilst reading in silence what your peers think of you.
We call them ghostings.
A lad just got a suspension on YAWN for telling a joke which was deemed 'poor taste' (It was too as it goes, about the McCanns). He's a regular on there and bizarrely whilst he can't actually post whilst suspended he can access the general forum and read all threads. He made a basic error confirming this to me by e-maail, I've since grassed him up and everybody is now on there is calling him a speccy four eyed gimpy cnut.
It's something the mods may wish to consider, temporary suspension whilst reading in silence what your peers think of you.
You grassed him up?
Not like scousers that.
Well done.
Let Sultan sort it out
Sultan I thought gb held the record, is this over a short period or all time?
Sults' a closet Nazi.
Have to agree with this. I've never seen anything from Davo on football that would raise him to an elite poster on here anyway (bizarrely high post count excepted).
Probably the biggest WUM on the forum.
I've thought about this whole Demotions Forum idea, and I'm not keen on it.
It creates a third tier of muppets who are then discarded forever, even if they actually improve. They're also bound to cause tons of trouble for having been 'insulted' by being demoted to the Kiddies/Retards forum. It might end up just as much of a mess as the Elite Posters forum.
I also feel that people can eventually grow up and reform themselves and are either 1) worth a second chance and thus should be demoted to the newbies; or 2) completely hopeless and thus should be banned.
If someone can manage to get themselves promoted again after being demoted to the newbies, then they deserve it I reckon.
It creates a third tier of muppets who are then discarded forever, even if they actually improve. They're also bound to cause tons of trouble for having been 'insulted' by being demoted to the Kiddies/Retards forum. It might end up just as much of a mess as the Elite Posters forum.
I also feel that people can eventually grow up and reform themselves and are either 1) worth a second chance and thus should be demoted to the newbies; or 2) completely hopeless and thus should be banned.
If someone can manage to get themselves promoted again after being demoted to the newbies, then they deserve it I reckon.
I thought gb held the record, is this over a short period or all time?
I did till Sults started learning how to catch the early worms..
This is a record of all bannings currently held in the system. It does not included deleted posters otherwise Wibble would be leading by 8k+
I once banned just over 5k with a single mouse click. Beat that cnuts
Yeah I thought so, it probably counts temporary bans as well I bet.
I once banned just over 5k with a single mouse click. Beat that cnuts
Sicko'
Why do I feel Wibble actually did it.
gb! you can't blame Sults whilst you examining erotic novels.
gb! you can't blame Sults whilst you examining erotic novels.
Another long winded post, totally missing the point and basically motivated by the idea of having a go - in fact, this is a good example of the daft posts that cause the issues in the football forum.
For further clarity...
- The new sensible forum would be easy to moderate, given overstepping the mark would be obvious, and not a call as it currently is in trying to clean up the existing forum, without going too far. It wouldn't require a "heavy policing" at all
- The existing football forum would stay largely as it is, but without the attempted sensible discussion that get spoiled by the muppets. You wouldn't need to remove the muppets, they don't spoil banter and can continue to post green laughing smilies at unfunny posts in peace.
- I'd continue to use both forums, the selfish element of all this on my part is wanting to be able to have a sensible discussion about football, on a football forum.
Keep up...any further stupid questions send me a PM (which I'll obviously delete without opening)
I'd be interested to hear views from you, Niall and Bury specifically as to objections with the much discussed extra sensible forum.....I can't see, only advantages over a cleaning up of the current forum. Perhaps I'm missing something?
Doubt it mind
That's the general idea is it not?
Let Sultan sort it out
Where are all mine?
They were given to Wibble, and were then not counted, on account of them being Wibble's
yours would be all the ones that said n/a beside them, which i didnt count because i didnt know who they were attributed to, until half way through i recognised some of the banning messages that you had written
Hehe...Weaste has all the RR tits on his list....
The main objection which Niall has (I think) is that it would benefit a minority of posters and set the majority of the Caf adrift in the Muppet Sea with new posters rarely making it all the way up to the third level. They tried it at Red Issue and it was (IMO) a disaster with the main forum becoming infinitley worse than before which was hard to believe but true.
I tend to agree even though I like the idea of being able to discuss football again. I can see why you would want such a forum because site as a whole isn't your issue to worry about. As a user you just want to enjoy posting about football again.
I would prefer a situation where the structure of the Caf remains and we target the muppety CM kids for infractions which will either persuade them to behave, leave or eventually depart by accumulation of infraction points.
This place operates best when it self regualates, something it hasn't done for quite a few years, and for that to happen we need to control the CM generation and reestablish norms of behaviour that results in decent football discussion and still allows us to call a spastic a spastic.
A hard line to draw but hopefully we will manage it. Hopefully my planned moderating rampage in the matchday forum this weekend will help.
I agree with Niall that setting up an elite invitation only subforum would cause more problems than it would solve by creating a huge rift in the forum. The sad fact is Davo that us old buggers are getting fewer on here and don't post as much about footy as in the early days of the forum mostly because we've said it all before and are tired of being drowned out by idiots, kids and the illiterati who now populate the internet.
We've been down the elite forum route before and it worked well for a while on Hypersky but slowly floundered on ToD probably because we weren't getting any new blood in and all our conversations had been done to death which only left the casual chit-chat and the odd invites for a beer or a curry if the regulars were in each other's locales.
I do think something needs to be done to improve the forum and a few of us are working behind the scenes on one add-on although this won't affect the conversation side of the forum too much. The forum itself does need more modding than it used to simply because of the overwhelming volume of idiots, we are talking about this thread and trying to get a concensus in the admin room at present, here's my twopennworth from there:
I'm not 100% with Niall's idea of demotions as it might actually kill the Newbie forum by overwhelming it with idiots making it impossible/unpalatable for new arrivals to be heard or want to stick around. We can manually remove people from certain forums by editing masks but as with ghosting, if you do too much of this it becomes impossible to tell who did what, when or why. It also stops people viewing the forums we exclude them from which whilst amusing when it's a transfer muppet is a bit OTT for other forums.
Maybe what's needed is a few more user groups that we can drop people into and make the progression clear to all.
Newbies are stuck in the newbie football forum and newbie general forum until they are promoted or earn 150 rep points and graduate to Full Member who can view and post in all public forums except the newbies.
We then set a series of Muppet grades which serve as a demotion from a particular forum:
Matchday Muppet excluded from posting in the matchday forum. A permanent ban for even one derailing offence in there, no way back from this group without a unanimous vote on appeal to the mods.
Opposition Muppet excluded from posting in the United forum. A permanent ban for ABU windups in the United forum, no way back full stop.
Clueless Muppet - Fozzy Grade banned from posting in the United and football forums for idiocy, inability to know when they have lost an argument, thread derailment, text talk etc. Maybe make this class a 1 or 2 month sentence before automatically reverting to Full member status.
Clueless Muppet - Animal Grade banned from posting in the United and football forums for abuse of other posters, OTT banter, murderers jibes etc. Maybe make this class a 1 month sentence before automatically reverting to Full member status.
Clueless Muppet - Gonzo Grade permanent ban from posting in the United and football forums for a third strike on the Fozzy or Animal counts. Unanimous vote on appeal to the mods and promise of good behaviour is the only way back.
Transfer Muppet they already have their own forum, the group just adds
Maybe we also need a general football forum in which all the excluded can carry on as they like unmoderated, they can then comment on the matches, other threads in the United and footy forums etc without lowering the standards in there. All "when's the new kit coming out", "which team do you hate most", "4-5-1, 4-4-2, 4-3-3 or 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1 formation?" threads could then be moved to there with a link left so the authors begun to realise we're not interested.
With the last bit, I'm not altogether in favour of too many new forums so maybe we make that within the Newbie football forum (and make that visible to full members) which would keep it off the forum's front page, give the newbies more people to chat with and the chance to prove that they are not muppets and earn their escape quicker.
To keep tabs on it we should probably do the demotions by infraction if that's possible then there's a clear record by each poster of who binned him and why and a link to the offence that the muppet can see and hopefully learn from.
A bit more work I know, but if the systems structured then there should be less whining when people get canned.
Not perfect but it would allow us to gradually prune the idiots who drive people off the forum without setting up an immediate us and them rift.
That's a lot of degrees of muppet.
Also, does that make you one of the grumpy old men, and noodlehair kermit? I think it does.
Also, does that make you one of the grumpy old men, and noodlehair kermit? I think it does.
There's a lot of muppets to accomodate. I am Statler to Wibble's Waldorf but Noodles is not organised enough to be Kermit, he's Gonzo.
Muppets are better described by using Caftards as examples. I hereby present to you:
Bury Red - Would never step into the Transfer Forum and the thought of discussing incoming players is second only to stranded in a desert with noodlehair. Would rather prefer we play the 12 year old Nigerian in the youth ranks than discuss signing Henrik Larsson on another loan stint as though he was our plaything
Golden_blunder - Will speculate signing the odd players, a la yours truly, when Geebs copied my 'Attempt to sign van Bommel to substitute Keane' or more recently the Pappa Bouba Diop ones. These are normally the perfect TF Caftards...not overindulgent and conservative as per the needs and a good bet for the odd wind up and closing the transfer forum
Mozza - Will make a case for a player who if signed will make a case for his amazing performances despite at times Darren Fletcher too would've done as much
Kanchelskis - Would ideally want the best mix of experienced world class players and their 'nexts'. Will hit the jackpot at some stage...probably the times Fergie is arsed to log onto Redcaf and try him on FM and Youtube
Ehsanhul - Do you play football at some respectable level like semi-pro? Congratulations, you've already been linked to Man Utd!
Plechazunga - These are the type that deserve a permanent banning. Other signings at least are were visible FFS!
Donado - Donado
I await my PhD
Bury Red - Would never step into the Transfer Forum and the thought of discussing incoming players is second only to stranded in a desert with noodlehair. Would rather prefer we play the 12 year old Nigerian in the youth ranks than discuss signing Henrik Larsson on another loan stint as though he was our plaything
Golden_blunder - Will speculate signing the odd players, a la yours truly, when Geebs copied my 'Attempt to sign van Bommel to substitute Keane' or more recently the Pappa Bouba Diop ones. These are normally the perfect TF Caftards...not overindulgent and conservative as per the needs and a good bet for the odd wind up and closing the transfer forum
Mozza - Will make a case for a player who if signed will make a case for his amazing performances despite at times Darren Fletcher too would've done as much
Kanchelskis - Would ideally want the best mix of experienced world class players and their 'nexts'. Will hit the jackpot at some stage...probably the times Fergie is arsed to log onto Redcaf and try him on FM and Youtube
Ehsanhul - Do you play football at some respectable level like semi-pro? Congratulations, you've already been linked to Man Utd!
Plechazunga - These are the type that deserve a permanent banning. Other signings at least are were visible FFS!
Donado - Donado
I await my PhD
Bury's system will take a hell of a lot of work to keep track of.
Only us true spastimods will bother I reckon.
Only us true spastimods will bother I reckon.
You overstep the mark regularly - you just don't think you do - so the admin work is nothing like as easy as you claim.
The non-sensible forum, as I suggested, is just going to be abandoned so that anyone posting in there is continually subject to shite - really bloody helpful in terms of helping them to improve.
Given just how shit you are planning to make the non-sensible forum you could imagine a lot of posters trying to post in the sensible one - being subject to Davo et al's usual wind-ups and then getting banned because they're not 'established posters' who are (apparently) granted extra leeway.
To my mind this really is a variant of back-door elitism. feck how the plebs interact - we don't need to pay any attention (apart from Davo probably going in on wind-up sorties) - just make sure they keep my preferred posting option clean.
Do try to stop the personal wind-ups Davo - you are getting embarrassing - though perhaps I might suggest that since you don't counter the charge that you are hypocritical you presumably accept it.
TBH I don't really care if established posters who know their football call the odd numpty a spastic as it is usually part of the banter that make football forums entertaining.
The embarrassing CM generation muppets are of far more concern. One such muppet yesterday said he didn't think Rio was good enough to play for us FFS. Deluded is being kind.
The matchday forum is particularly shit and you can't blame Davo for that one.
I don't want a 3 tier forum but I wish the general posting population would lift its game to show why it isn't neccesary.
The embarrassing CM generation muppets are of far more concern. One such muppet yesterday said he didn't think Rio was good enough to play for us FFS. Deluded is being kind.
The matchday forum is particularly shit and you can't blame Davo for that one.
I don't want a 3 tier forum but I wish the general posting population would lift its game to show why it isn't neccesary.
Stop the retards from getting promoted from the newbies in the first place, simple solution, problem solved.