I'd love to back slap you, N.
That Sensible Football Forum
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I'd love to back slap you, N.
I want to hear the story involving Liz and a whip, but not if it involves Jason, no
He wasn't a mod at the time you got infracted. And you sure seemed upset. Could have fooled everyone who read the thread.
But heading down this road is unproductive.
Suffice to say, if you had done what you got infracted for in the same way and Weaste was a mod, you likely would have been given a ban.
I had to try to sort out the crap at the time. I became an Admin here at a time I don't think the Caf had ever seen or will ever see again. I used to spend up to 6 hours a day at one point keeping the you know who lot out.
The abuse I got really didn't bother me to be honest with you, but in hindsight, it might have made me a little less tolerant of posters on here. They were funny (as in strange) times.
As I spawned them however, I suppose that it was my recompense. But I believe that I left the place a better place than I started with it. My concerns regarding the football forum go back maybe two years earlier however.
I am probably the only person that neither SA or RR will accept as a member.
As I said, I have my opinions on how this forum should work, but as they were ignored or voted down in the Admin forum, I do not expect them to be heeded by my writings in here.
coughMecough
This is true. I'm about to infract Dr Do/Dont for wearing slippers
You are better off without them TBH.
In the case of RR though, who is it?
BA - Warrington - Scouser
Shane - St Hellens - Scouser
Welsh Cock - feck Knows - Scouser
And the list goes on....
Is there a single Salfordian or Manc there?
The WGC explains it all. Drinking Coronita in a shed under Runcorn bridge whilst wanking into the previous now empty bottle and eating one of Sahne's sausage kebabs.
The problem with that approach (which we still do, but usually for a laugh) is tht there's no permenant record of it. With minor irritations easily forgotten the same poster can get away with being a prat time and again. With infractions we can see all the past spent ones and if they prove the poster is an iorritating prat who will never learn then we can deal with it more harshly.
Infractions can also ban you for a set period and bring you back which is far more efficient than ghostings and demotions as they don't rely on us remembering/caring to bring someone back
Bloody hell Jason. He was a mod when he demoted me to the newbies (and Noodle apologised the next day and brought me back!)
I didn't complain at all about getting infracted Jason, despite given I'd initially been infracted for posting a picture that someone else had created, and posted without any moaning in the pics thread many months before, because you thought Freddy Mercury, with your head photoshopped over his, was holding his penis on stage, when it oh so clearly was a microphone, was quite reasonable of me. You'd given just as good as you got, you just had some newfound mod protection to hide behind. I just thought it was funny! I think anyone reading that other than you would have seen that
Ghostings are wrong full stop, but they are still used. Keeping track of those things is a total nightmare.
I will still argue with you however that infractions are wrong. If you had a graphic under your name, a scale if you like where you and everyone else saw your points going from 0 to 15, maybe it would be more useful.
He he he. Look at your name in the Wiki.
We obviously speak a different language, because "it'd be just like the CE forum. Everyone gets access, and then anyone who becomes disruptive is removed" means something different to me than it does to you.
You cited the CE forum as a model, and that wasn't a proper example so you're now oddly trying to pretend you didn't say it.
I find the 'the only option is an Elite forum' argument to be 'just strange'.
And there isn't a working model. RR, ToD, and Hypersky have basically tried to be a 'sensible' forum. They've either gone mad or gone extremely boring.
They have a Rochdalian! Am I the most local they have eh?
Hypersky worked very well actually. Its successors not so.
Possibly!
Nah, surely that cnut Groundside was at least spewed out of a birth canal somewhere in Wythenshaw?
Exactly.
I lurve 'em.
I think it improves the system dramatically, and don't understand the 'not transparent' argument. The opposite would seem to be true from my POV. We all can see who got what and exactly for what.
Ah you are a piece of work you do know that! If the system let me, I'd have you on ignore I promise you, and then I couldn't help but not respond to your goadings. Totally unfit for moderating this place
Anyway, what does any mod think about this idea of making the infractions more public? I've expressed my reasons for doing so, and so have a few others now, perhaps it is something to consider? What is your initial reaction to it?
As I said, it's an abacus for the admin/mods.
It wouldn't be right.
The infraction system is designed to help the mods decide what to do, and is a private matter between the poster and the mods - unless a mod feels a public dressing down is also necessary.
It isn't a system for vigilante wanna-be mods to 'police' the forum to see that 'justice' is done to their satisfaction.
And yet despite it being what 9 pages long did Sultan say? And it being implemented for a reasonable amount of time to get some initial indications of how well it's working, people still think the football and United forums are a mess and need radical overhauling. So is that system actually working? Perhaps it would help if people perceptions were changed, so that they could see that something clearly was being done, and the people they felt were ruining the place were at least on the mods minds, having recieved an infraction or two. This is what having it out in the public would achieve, and what not having it that way denies
Again, it wouldn't be right.
We haven't infracted as much as we really should, I think.
It hasn't been implemented for a reasonable amount of time either.
Nine pages isn't a lot.
We also want to strongly discourage the Vigilante Mod syndrome.
I really don't see the need for infractions to be made public, how would that really help?
Rival posters could easily take advantage of this and try and wind up a poster on his last few infractions.
Rival posters could easily take advantage of this and try and wind up a poster on his last few infractions.
Yep.
It would be a playground for Vigilante Mods and wums to get someone 'trapped', and then overreact to demand the final point.
Christ, I've already witnessed a fair bit of ban fishing in my time here.
How is this the case since posters spend almost no time in there now?
And without it you would need about 100 mods. When we didn't have the newbie invasions of up to 100 scousers would arrive just before a game and feck the forum up. And traffic was 5x less than it is now.
We would all prefer not to have a newbie but it ismpossible to function without one.
It is also irrelevant what I think because Niall wants the newbie (for very good reason IMO).
This website lost its reputation point "stars" a long time ago. Infractions and Rep points for newbies as I have said are only there to make admin/moderator life easier. It's not quite... shut up Weaste.
This site needs and active Admin and 2 moderators that can be trusted online at all times.
NOTHING in the forums, even scat porn spam, annoys me more than Ban Fishing.
Why have it then?
No time?
I'll try and disobey one of the core rules shall I? I'll go and have a look.
Total exaggeration and you know it.
Only needs two admins to can them in 10 minutes.
I do not agree, you know I think that this argument is a kopout.
I'm quite aware of his opinion on the matter. Even though he did give us the opportunity once to try without, and I gave several possible alternatives, none of which were ever taken seriously (which they should have been). You can create a buffer in many different ways, but I don't know if it was down to lethargy or "I can't be arsed" type of an attitude why I was never supported. He did say that we could try to do without it, and I proposed a way to eliminate it yet also easily put it back into place. It was based on usergroups. None of you even bothered.
This is what is happening. We have banned loads of people from posting in the matchday forum and handed out infraction at the same time. We have also banned/infracted quite a few posters for a range of idiocy.
We haven't gone around banning anyone we even suspect of being useless because that causes more problems than it solves but the idiots are gradually being removed and those who don't shape up will leave via the infraction route if they can't get their act together.
It is a slow process but if the report post function is used to help us it is one that will work.
It might also help if all of the people complaining about the quality of the football forums started posting more in there and (shock horror) even start some thread. And yes I include the mods and admins in that.
Ludicrous idea. It would make people targets for wind ups to see who could be induced into a banworthy reaction.
Never ever going to happen.
If all the bitching about the quality and about moderating was focused on making solid football posts, we'd be in the best shape ever.
so whats the difference between turfing them out of the existing forum or turfing them out of this 'sensible' forum?
I'm not commenting on Report Post functionality, such things if this software was even in any way decent would end up in your PM box under URGENT.
As for the complaining, you should be thankful that some of us still are complaining on this issue in the correct way, and I have been doing so since 2003. The other option is that those who want to complain feck off (I have done so several times for up to 8 months at a stretch), like so many good posters before us, and you end up with a forum full of gibberish. Think about that for a moment.
EDIT: As for posting in the football forums? It's a little difficult to do so amongst all of the junk. It's only as a union of that it would be possible. We have a pre-18 years of age and random nutpot virus going on here. The trouble is that it has reached such epidemic proportions that the injection of a few opinionated people that can actually write is not quite enough to cure the disease.
It means exactly as it says. Are you suggesting that if someone started spamming the CE forum with general forum type topics/posts, they wouldn't be removed, or prevented from doing so? Bizarre.
I've already explained this once, why am I now having to explain it to the exact same person again?
Again, it had been suggested that everyone would have access to the forum, until and unless they start abusing it, which puts to bed the whole "elitist" thing.
I really don't see the problem here. Use the forum for what it's intended for, or feck off and leave others to it. It's a level playing field
Firstly, none of those were meant to act as sensible debate football forums, and secondly, to some degree they were all succesful
We were going to try without it for a trial period in the close season just over 12 months ago but the high level of invasions from other forums, returnees and WUM's meant it was never quiet enough to happen. I was all for the experiment but eventually admitted I was wrong and that it was an unworkable idea.
Ok fair enough. Though isn't being a WUM an infraction offence anyway, so anyone trying that would be added to the list themselves?
I'm just a bit bored of the endless talk in here of the footy forums being shite, the mods usually agreeing, and then not really much changing as Weaste says. I certainly try to do my bit, I still post frequently in the footy forum and United, and make sure my posts are at the very least informed and where need be researched, with a bit of length and content to them. I'm not too sure others complaining are following my lead in that regard
As Davo said, there's a place for spastics and pointless bickering on the forum, it can be amusing. It's just that at the moment, it ruins potentially decent threads.
Any thread about Liverpool for example, has no chance of getting off the ground. Yet by the same token, you can't expect fans of two rival teams to not engage in some mindless point scoring banter from time to time.
It's an unworkable idea because you have decided it as being so. I was there 12 months ago remember, so you can cut out the "We". It never got done, because nobody cared less about trying it - it was my bloody idea to try it.
And also, there is something strange about this post of yours. After professing so much about the scientific way on these forums, that last sentence of yours is bizarre! You accepted something as unworkable that was never tried in the first place? So much for the repeatable experiment. Kaboom!
I get all reported posts straight into my email inbox which I read far more often than I do my PMs.
And I have no problem with people complaining or suggesting. Just as I have no problem giving my view.
I agree that it is hard to post amongst the dross and nowhere have I suggested people leave if they don't like it. I am merely suggesting that as we infract and ban posters can help by talking more football and reporting the worst muppetry.