That Sensible Football Forum

Brad Cantona said:
Ok fair enough. Though isn't being a WUM an infraction offence anyway, so anyone trying that would be added to the list themselves?

I'm just a bit bored of the endless talk in here of the footy forums being shite, the mods usually agreeing, and then not really much changing as Weaste says. I certainly try to do my bit, I still post frequently in the footy forum and United, and make sure my posts are at the very least informed and where need be researched, with a bit of length and content to them. I'm not too sure others complaining are following my lead in that regard
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I know you post a great deal in the football forums which is great. I wish we would all contribute as much in there despite the flood of idiocy.

Things are getting better slowly but it is going to take a while to weed out the worst idiots and longer for people to get used to behaving in a different way.
 
Davo said:
What's over the top abuse? It's daft and in no way consistent...largely because there's no real plan bar a notion of "tidying the forum up"
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In general I look at how the insults are said/meant. This is usually quite apparent. casual use of "spastic" is generally fine. Angry irrational rants often cop a point or two from me because someone who gets so wound up by a few words on a forum over football discussion is probably a waste of bandwidth.

My view is that the infraction system, while occasionally copping posters like yourself, is mainly to get rid of the idiots who previously flew under the radar. Too stupid to be needed here but too inoffensive to be banned outright. It is a muppet filter IMO.

Remember Redeus? An obvious racist loon but one who was very careful not to step into banning country. The infraction system would have got rid of him.

We have also been banning people from the matchday forum for idiocy, banning and infracting quite a bit and a great deal of the dross has or will be removed or persuaded to stop being idiots because they can see a ban via infractions coming.
 
btw Brad, keeping a public record of infractions or bannings would never work.

FFS the goodie goodies and moraltards would spam it silly with "he shouldn't have been banned for that" or "bring back X because he made me laugh"

you only have to look at some of the threads in the admin forum
 
WeasteDevil said:
It's an unworkable idea because you have decided it as being so. I was there 12 months ago remember, so you can cut out the "We". It never got done, because nobody cared less about trying it - it was my bloody idea to try it.

And also, there is something strange about this post of yours. After professing so much about the scientific way on these forums, that last sentence of yours is bizarre! You accepted something as unworkable that was never tried in the first place? So much for the repeatable experiment. Kaboom!
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The idea of trying it in the close season was because the level of idiocy used to be lower and the incentive for invasions much lower. This isn't the case now unfortunately and you don't need to try something to know it is unworkable. We didn't have a newbie for years and had to impose it because the forum was unworkable without it. When the conditions that required the newbie during the season are still present during the close season then you know that it would be impossible during the season. Niall made a very sensible decision not to remove the newbie IMO.

And as I say it is irrelevant what I think because Niall will not remove it no matter what because it would result in periodic chaos, probably on match days.
 
I've always wanted know why GuvnorGaz got canned? ...
 
golden_blunder said:
btw Brad, keeping a public record of infractions or bannings would never work.

FFS the goodie goodies and moraltards would spam it silly with "he shouldn't have been banned for that" or "bring back X because he made me laugh"

you only have to look at some of the threads in the admin forum
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I meant as a notice board kind of thing rather than an open thread to talk about the infractions

I see the flaws. The reason for suggesting was that perhaps people need to percieve something is being done, if you've unveiled all this new mods, new infraction system stuff, and posters / mods are still saying there is an epic problem with the forums in terms of quality. This would at leats achieve that perception, perhaps there are other ways. Perception of crime is often worse than actual crime 'n all is the line of thought that I'm coming from
 
Wibble said:
The idea of trying it in the close season was because the level of idiocy used to be lower and the incentive for invasions much lower. This isn't the case now unfortunately and you don't need to try something to know it is unworkable. We didn't have a newbie for years and had to impose it because the forum was unworkable without it. When the conditions that required the newbie during the season are still present during the close season then you know that it would be impossible during the season. Niall made a very sensible decision not to remove the newbie IMO.

And as I say it is irrelevant what I think because Niall will not remove it no matter what because it would result in periodic chaos, probably on match days.
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Wibble, do you know the number of posters that are in the newbies compared to the mains? The Caf has around 13,000 members - how many are in the newbies? Do you know those figures?
 
Frosty said:
Wibble, do you know the number of posters that are in the newbies compared to the mains? The Caf has around 13,000 members - how many are in the newbies? Do you know those figures?
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im not sure that theres a way to tell that

the problem is that when you get genuine WUMs, they dont create just one ID, they create 10 at a time just in case they get shit-canned. Mods then run around banning everyone with matching IP addresses, which is ok about 90% of the time but im sure some genuine people may get canned too.

Then you get the regular posters who for some reason want to post in the newbies as well, so they go and create another ID. That ID then after time gets promoted, so they create another ID..

The newbie does a good job IMVHO otherwise we'd have certain people running mad all over this forum posting scat. Its no coincidence that RR has now had to introduce an even stricter newbies than here. You have to be invited there & recommended by a regular before you get access to the full forum. On Red Issue they tried the 'elite' forum. It had about 3 posters.

we do ok here
 
golden_blunder said:
im not sure that theres a way to tell that

the problem is that when you get genuine WUMs, they dont create just one ID, they create 10 at a time just in case they get shit-canned. Mods then run around banning everyone with matching IP addresses, which is ok about 90% of the time but im sure some genuine people may get canned too.

Then you get the regular posters who for some reason want to post in the newbies as well, so they go and create another ID. That ID then after time gets promoted, so they create another ID..

The newbie does a good job IMVHO otherwise we'd have certain people running mad all over this forum posting scat. Its no coincidence that RR has now had to introduce an even stricter newbies than here. You have to be invited there & recommended by a regular before you get access to the full forum. On Red Issue they tried the 'elite' forum. It had about 3 posters.

we do ok here
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Thanks for that. I was wondering why the Caf has so many members, yet only a fraction of them post regularly. Obviously you have those who sign up and just browse instead of post, but if and when the forums are cleaned up and improved, some of those 13,000 may show themselves and prove to be excellent contributors.

Then again, 11,000 could turn out to be REVELZ.
 
golden_blunder said:
The newbie does a good job IMVHO otherwise we'd have certain people running mad all over this forum posting scat. Its no coincidence that RR has now had to introduce an even stricter newbies than here. You have to be invited there & recommended by a regular before you get access to the full forum. On Red Issue they tried the 'elite' forum. It had about 3 posters.

we do ok here
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So this is actually an ongoing problem with most forums not just the caf?

It probably has something to do with ease of access to a computer and a net connection nowadays ....
 
Frosty said:
Wibble, do you know the number of posters that are in the newbies compared to the mains? The Caf has around 13,000 members - how many are in the newbies? Do you know those figures?
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2750 Newbies
8700 Banned
1760 Full Members

Newbies who do not confirm their email address for 30 days after registering get moved to the banned list and newbies who do not log in for 60 days suffer the same fate.

Of course about 1500 of those banned are REVELZ and co.
 
Wibble said:
2750 Newbies
8700 Banned
1760 Full Members

Newbies who do not confirm their email address for 30 days after registering get moved to the banned list and newbies who do not log in for 60 days suffer the same fate.

Of course about 1500 of those banned are REVELZ and co.
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Of those newbies almost 800 have never posted and half have under 5 posts.
 
Surely this is the end of the RedCafe.net when you will let a scouser ask and maybe get his own ideas ,ie his own forum for what he calls non spastics .
This place would be the laughing stock of the football forums that a spastic of a scouser who thinks he is funny and clever gets his wish .
 
jasonrh said:
He was some truly odious people in past lives.

The whole anti-scouser thing was actually just an act to try to get attention.
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It baffles me that these people keep reinventing themselves and coming back as different people, if I tried it I'd get clocked in a second. I can only be one person this is pretty much me, warts and all.
 
It's shocking if this is actually being considered. It would ruin this place, and all to appease the ego's of a few people that feel the need to be called 'elite'. On the internet.

There is absolutely nothing to be gained in this whatsoever.
 
Another thing, why don't these 'elite' posters show their quality and actually work to improve the football forum? There isn't a single thread started by any of the senior posters in the football forum at the moment.

For example, Nick0208 always posts articles, which provoke debate. Would he be considered an 'elite'? If not, why not? He's doing more than most to improve the turnover.
 
I think we should have at least 4 more pages of posts about this before realising it's a stupid idea. Come on everyone.
 
Wibble said:
2750 Newbies
8700 Banned
1760 Full Members

Newbies who do not confirm their email address for 30 days after registering get moved to the banned list and newbies who do not log in for 60 days suffer the same fate.

Of course about 1500 of those banned are REVELZ and co.
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Bury Red said:
Of those newbies almost 800 have never posted and half have under 5 posts.
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Wibble said:
Most of those will be purged when I do a sweep again next month then.
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I had no idea there were that many banned IDs! At least the scale of the issue is not too bad - we are talking about a forum of 1700 members rather than 13,000.
 
jasonrh said:
5=48 hour ban
10=one week ban
15=permanent ban

It isn't really intended for good or old time users (like yourself) but for the arsefaces who push buttons all the time without actually crossing the line.

You got one more as a 'message' than anything else.
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Oh so they actually mean something???I got two pointless ones recently...
 
Frosty said:
I had no idea there were that many banned IDs! At least the scale of the issue is not too bad - we are talking about a forum of 1700 members rather than 13,000.
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Most of those banned users have been filtered out by the newbie, either because they never confirmed their registration (common to boost your google ranking) and people who stop coming here (usually after very few posts) and thus don't make it through to the main forum. Plus WUM's returnees and 1500 REVELZs.
 
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