Exactly, if there is space to improve a rule, we should not be taxative because we can and technology allows it, there is a spirit behind the rules that should always be taken in account.
That Alvarez penalty
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Exactly, if there is space to improve a rule, we should not be taxative because we can and technology allows it, there is a spirit behind the rules that should always be taken in account.
The offside rule is as lax as it can be. Pushing it even further will be the death of the sport as we know it. The better thing with this one is to force the taker to take the penalty again.
This whole thing seems so petty and unsporting.
It is clearly accidental and offers no advantage.
"And if those pen-pushers up at Uefa Hall don't like it, well, they can park their over-payed, fat ass's on this mid-digit and swivel -- swivel till they squeal like pigs on a honeymoon."
It is clearly accidental and offers no advantage.
"And if those pen-pushers up at Uefa Hall don't like it, well, they can park their over-payed, fat ass's on this mid-digit and swivel -- swivel till they squeal like pigs on a honeymoon."
There's a lot about American sports I don't like, but in the NFL for example there is little to no room to review judgment calls, and when they tried it for a season it was scrapped immediately because it's asinine. The way you fix VAR (this will never happen) is reviewing offside with the naked eye and if you can't see it you stay with the decision on the pitch, and whether the ball crossed a line which there is also technology for. Possibly overt violent conduct missed by the ref as well but that's it. The re-refereeing of matches and offside decisions like Garnacho's disallowed goal vs Arsenal are ruining matches.
That is not the problem to me at all, it would actually get more people on board with VAR. The things I am talking about take 2/3 seconds to see. Those are the things people like me want technology for, quick unarguable decisions.
Well that might be a step in the right direction to make it better.
Whatever about the actual decision but it is one of the most blatant examples of why refs should be mic'ed up.
There was so much confusion after the decision with people watching and people in the stadium. Then the ref's "No!" gesture only added to the confusion because when they do that in the match it means VAR have checked it and found nothing wrong but this time it meant the opposite.
Rugby, tennis, NFL, boxing, MMA refs are all mic'ed but football refs don't have the balls for it.
There was so much confusion after the decision with people watching and people in the stadium. Then the ref's "No!" gesture only added to the confusion because when they do that in the match it means VAR have checked it and found nothing wrong but this time it meant the opposite.
Rugby, tennis, NFL, boxing, MMA refs are all mic'ed but football refs don't have the balls for it.
I can't post links I think but UEFA just put a statement out with video and it's pretty clear.
I think the point is more that this wouldn't have been disallowed before VAR. So it's worth having the discusson about whether or not the rule is still appropriate now that it can be applied to very marginal instances. We've seen a similar thing with handball, where VAR was initially given way too many, and so the interpretation of the rules had to be modified several times to avoid a situation where the tail is wagging the dog.
How long until a team is celebrating winning the Champions League or World Cup on pens then it gets called back by VAR. Can’t ever celebrate without that retrospective meddling. Killing the game.
But in this instance you could easily have a rule that says the penalty is allowed if the kick is taken in one motion, even if it hits both feet. No player is going to gain an advantage by deliberately kicking the ball with both feet in the same motion.
The rule as it stands now is punishing players for bad luck, not for deliberately trying to gain an advantage.
Nah i know it should be as far as actual implementation goes. But is that right? Depends on your point of view of VAR I suppose, but I'm not a fan of it re refereeing the game.
VAR is here to stay - the general principle behind it is fine IMO, how it's being used not so much
It's why VAR was brought in, to get these things right, if the keeper steps off his line to save a penalty, VAR will check and tell the referee, the keeper will be booked and the penalty will be retaken.
I posted earlier, as fans we complain when referees get decisions wrong, they got this right and now people want the rules changed due to an isolated incident, because it's not fair.
Nah, just half of the Madrid players were telling the referee just after the shot was taken... Like feck it did. Nobody would have even mentioned it had it not been for var micro analysis.
It's utter shite and eventually it'll hit the ratings, TV money and then they'll change or remove it entirely.
I bet if the decision was other way around, VAR would not take a look at it.
It's gonna be adapted and improved but VAR won't be removed.
Its here to stay. If anything, minor improvements will be made along the way.
What’s with the random emoji?Nah, just half of the Madrid players were telling the referee just after the shot was taken...
And that comment is exactly why what you’re arguing against is actually true.
Real Madrid and Man United are the two biggest clubs in the world, which subsequently makes them the most disliked.
Any remotely controversial decision involving them is magnified. (I’m being generous even describing this as controversial, it was 100% a correct decision)
The fact that in this same match they could have easily gotten a penalty for a handball (by uefa handball standards) destroys any argument that the Alvarez pen with a real player wouldn’t be disallowed.
The media feed into this shit, stoking the flames and riling up all the anti United and anti Real football watchers on social media. It isn’t victim hood at all.
I notice TNT earlier for some strange reason showed the disallowed pen from the worse possible angle. Yet a YouTuber was able to show the disallowed pen from the most clearest angle, you know the one directly in front of Alvarez. I wonder why tnt sport didn’t show that one.
We could go back to last Sunday with United when an Arsenal wall was a bit far back (something that happens very regularly) for a United goal. Sky sports went as far as to fake a scene with a referee guessing the space of ten yards purely to try and make out it’s actually very easy and should not have been a mistake made.
This shit only happens when it involves Real Madrid and Man United and tbf to an extent Liverpool.
You think this page is five pages long if it’s a Real pen disallowed ? No chance.
A refeering decision has been made that is 100% correct and 100% followed the law yet everyone’s dancing around in circles about it and making it out to be an injustice. Truly fecking bizarre.
Didn't Messi have an identical penalty taken against France in the World Cup?
I remember someone pointing out that the ball hit his right foot right after he kicked it
I remember someone pointing out that the ball hit his right foot right after he kicked it
It’s shite and has made the game worse in my opinion, but the genie is out of the bottle. I don’t think you can go back.
Wasn't identical in that he didn't slip. But definite double touch.
He slipped and touched the ball twice. He fecked up and the penalty is null and void. Honestly don’t know why there is any controversy around it.
Forgotten about that.
A great further example of how fecked this is.
We know if it's Real then they'll be no intervention.
The sport is a joke in this era.
Touching the ball twice suggests he kicked it, there was separation and then he kicked it again. That didn't happen.
The decision VAR made was that he slipped into the ball with one foot while kicking it with the other. That he kicked the ball at the same time with both feet because there certainly wasn't any separation between the "first touch" and the "second"
Firstly, I honestly don't believe the footage is clear enough to categorically state he touched the ball with both feet. Anyone who says they can see that conclusively is a liar.
Secondly, I'm not sure there is anything in the rule that says you can't kick a ball with both feet at the same time:
Even if you're claiming there were milliseconds between one foot touching and then the other, without separation of ball and foot what difference does that make? There are milliseconds between foot and ball contact and separation on every shot. Unless you can prove they didn't both make contact at the same time, how can you disallow the goal?
It's honestly a scandalous decision and Atletico should be appealing to whatever authority there is available to them.
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Also, and this is an aside, does the wording of this law mean that if player takes a penalty during regular play and hits the post or bar, he cannot then score from the rebound unless it has touched the keeper or another player first?
https://www.theifab.com/laws/latest/the-penalty-kick/#offences-and-sanctions
The decision VAR made was that he slipped into the ball with one foot while kicking it with the other. That he kicked the ball at the same time with both feet because there certainly wasn't any separation between the "first touch" and the "second"
Firstly, I honestly don't believe the footage is clear enough to categorically state he touched the ball with both feet. Anyone who says they can see that conclusively is a liar.
Secondly, I'm not sure there is anything in the rule that says you can't kick a ball with both feet at the same time:
Even if you're claiming there were milliseconds between one foot touching and then the other, without separation of ball and foot what difference does that make? There are milliseconds between foot and ball contact and separation on every shot. Unless you can prove they didn't both make contact at the same time, how can you disallow the goal?
It's honestly a scandalous decision and Atletico should be appealing to whatever authority there is available to them.
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Also, and this is an aside, does the wording of this law mean that if player takes a penalty during regular play and hits the post or bar, he cannot then score from the rebound unless it has touched the keeper or another player first?
https://www.theifab.com/laws/latest/the-penalty-kick/#offences-and-sanctions
Like feck it did
Courtois pointed it out right away, IIRC
The bolded has always been the case as far as I know.
I remember Mahrez having one disallowed against City and Mitrovic against Newcastle for the same reason.
I get that it's a tiny touch but at the end of the day the rules are the rules. Allowing a double touch would just cause more harm than good.
I get that it's a tiny touch but at the end of the day the rules are the rules. Allowing a double touch would just cause more harm than good.
It is a bit like complaining about marginal offside, or why a goal was not counted when the ball clearly passed most (but not all) of the line.
I think the more objective decisions, the better. If you slip and touch the ball twice, tough luck.
Really?
I never knew that. I feel like I've definitely seen penalties scored on the rebound off a post. For some reason Fernando Torres is coming to mind.
Yes it has always been like that. The same player can not score from a rebound after its hit the bar or post unless the goalie got a touch to it.
It's one of the less known football rules. I remember an attacker missing a pen like that and then leaving it for one of his teammates to score. All players are aware of the rule.
No, it's not allowed.
Maybe the goalkeeper touched it onto the bar or post but it's always been the rule.
Yes on the latter point, the taker can't score rebound off the goal frame directly.
Agree with the rest. This VAR call wouldn't be made against Real as it wasn't against Messi.
Football is a shambles of a sport.
It's a good thing we have your unbiased opinion here
Frankly what a load of shite, almost every single word in that is wrong
I'll only say this: it's funny you think you're even remotely close to Real Madrid in terms of popularity/hate/whatever. It's laughable. And I like Manchester United much more than I like Real Madrid, but it is what it is.
Nope. Watch it back.
United is definitely the most hated club in England. The fact that the premier league is the biggest, most watched and most popular league in world football I don't see the comparison as outrageous as you're making it seem.It's a good thing we have your unbiased opinion here
Frankly what a load of shite, almost every single word in that is wrong
I'll only say this: it's funny you think you're even remotely close to Real Madrid in terms of popularity/hate/whatever. It's laughable. And I like Manchester United much more than I like Real Madrid, but it is what it is.
I suppose you know better, as I'm not from England or follow the PL that much, but how is that even possible considering how unsuccessful you've been for such a long time know? Anyway, 2025 Manchester United is a much, much "smaller" club than 2025 Real Madrid, I'm not sure that's even debatable.
You're confusing success with popularity and size of club.
Is Manchester United a "smaller" club than Manchester City ?