The wording does suggest that. However, maybe it is one of those rules that doesn't get implemented. Like the 6 second rule with the GK.
That Alvarez penalty
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No. It's much "smaller" than Real Madrid though. And probably than Barcelona.
United were the most hated club in England even before the SAF glory years
And yet you're here, probably a Barca fan on a United forum talking about how small United is.
Why? I'd like to know more about this. I'm not being disingenuous, truly. I like United and I'd like to know more about that part of its history.
Not about how small United is, but bout how much smaller it is than the biggest club in the world. Anyway, what's with this ad hominem bullshit?
Thanks to the greed of Martin Edwards. Before he began to monetize anything that wasn't nailed down, United were well-respected. Our fans weren't too popular but in the days of Matt Busby, we were the biggest draw in the old Football League.
It is 2025 and we are not in the same ballpark as Real Madrid. But even if we transport back to 2013 Champions League you will get ridiculous Nani red card if you play against them, so in any case that post was all over the place as @cafecillos rightly suggested.
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It isn't a single thing but jealously is a big part of it, United built up a large non-local fanbase on the back of the Munich disaster and that increased with the advent of George Best and the El Beatle swinging 60's vibe, crowd sizes became bigger and outstripped most other teams, football hooliganism in the 70's was a big part of the clubs fan culture and then of course the SAF era, even today United have the biggest club stadium capacity and the biggest crowds
Maybe what I will say sounds strange, but a rule should be implemented to prevent players from slipping. When players take penalties at least.
Like in basketball, those assistants who dry out the basketball court.
Football is the most watch sport in the planet. I don't see why we deserve less than them.
Like in basketball, those assistants who dry out the basketball court.
Football is the most watch sport in the planet. I don't see why we deserve less than them.
That's interesting, I know almost nothing about the pre-SAF era. During the SAF and Beckham years United was truly huge in Spain, and I guess everywhere, that much I remember.
Admittedly, Alvarez's penalty was very well executed. Apart from hitting with both feet and the slip, the trajectory of the ball was exemplary. To disallow it should be against the laws of aesthetics.
It's a good thing we have your unbiased opinion here
Frankly what a load of shite, almost every single word in that is wrong
I'll only say this: it's funny you think you're even remotely close to Real Madrid in terms of popularity/hate/whatever. It's laughable. And I like Manchester United much more than I like Real Madrid, but it is what it is.
So you’re not from England but goes as far as to make outlandish claims about United not being as unpopular as Real Madrid.
Doesn’t matter how many green smilies you post, you’re still talking utter shite.
United are by far and away the most hated club in the country and the English media are known to stoke flames when United get a decision going their way. If you don’t live here and don’t get that exposure , probs best to wind your neck in on the matter.
And at what point did I even compare the size of the clubs or the levels of supporters. I simply pointed out that these two are the biggest football clubs in the world, which they are, fact. Didn’t say man united are the same size as Real so again wind the neck back in.
At the risk of losing my neck, can you link some sources for this "fact"?
Assume it's the Cristiano Ronaldo effect.
I feel the same way about this decision as every mm-decision tbh, during the VAR-era.
I know some will respond "rules are the rules", but when something is so indistinguishable you need slow mo, pin-point accuracy angles, to find out if a players nose is in offside, or if something is technically a handball, or in this case, if its actually a double touch, can't we let certain things slide?
I know some will respond "rules are the rules", but when something is so indistinguishable you need slow mo, pin-point accuracy angles, to find out if a players nose is in offside, or if something is technically a handball, or in this case, if its actually a double touch, can't we let certain things slide?
Not sure why we should help out players who slip. We do not help them anywhere else. What about defenders who slip and the attacker gets in because of it? A penalty is already a hugely slanted incident. Tough luck if you slip.
Well, it's slanted because it's actually a penalty, it's not supposed to be even.
UEFA released the footage(presumably the one used by VAR) that shows pretty clearly a double touch
Atletico Madrid now are complaining that according to the letter of the law, it was the wrong decision anyways because the ball doesn't move enough or something, idk
Atletico Madrid now are complaining that according to the letter of the law, it was the wrong decision anyways because the ball doesn't move enough or something, idk
The bigger issue is we know it wouldn't happen the other way around, just as Messi got away with it at the WC.
A mere "touch" is not enough, according to the very letter of the rule, which is (rule 14, can be found here): "The ball is in play when it is kicked and clearly moves." UEFA, in their statement (which can be read here), say that "the player made contact with the ball". Making contact with the ball is not enough to disallow the penalty. It's a matter of interpretation then about the "clarity" on the ball movement. People have to make their own minds whether the ball clearly moves or not.
I mean, we know there was a double touch because the ball moves...very slightly, sure, but it does
How is that an issue. It's Real Madrid, of course the rules should be different. What, we should work under the same rules as the *gasp* peasants?!?!?!
Why create an arbitrary, debatable threshold when one doesn't need to exist, especially when potentially hundreds of millions of pounds are at stake?
Indeed. Doing anything more to the offside law to benefit attackers (why? It doesn't make the game better, its a delusion that a bunch of 3-3s are a better spectacle, we would all get tired of it if it was frequent) will just push the game even further into "every forward and defender must be an olympic sprinter first and foremost" territory.
I'm not sure if "very slightly" in the clearest angle from above and in slow motion is the same as "clearly", but okay.
It's just an acknowledgement of what seems pretty obvious to me.
It's not just United that are the most hated by 'neutrals'. There's a very clear pattern of the most hated clubs in all countries being, historically, the biggest and most successful clubs in those countries. That's not a coincidence. Success creates plenty of fans but also plenty of rivals full of envy and bitterness.
And when those clubs are so huge then that hated gets reflected on a wider scale as well. Which is why there's such a completely disproportionate amount of dislike for Real Madrid even over here, and hence the need to try to downplay all their success and chalk it up to getting biased decisions, as 'neutrals' did with us during the Fergie years.
You don't need to be a fan of those clubs to recognise and acknowledge that's the main reason for the hatred.
What does this rule seek to achieve? Normally rules like this are to prevent a team gaining an unfair advantage, but I really don't see how anyone could gain an advantage other than if they "passed" or knocked the ball forward to themselves and scored from even closer. This was not that though.
You can't change this one. And yes even an unintentionally slip could yield an unfair advantage. The ball pops up from the unintentional first touch from a slip, and there is another wack at it that wrong foots the goalie.
Bottomline is ...dont slip. Rule needs to stand without having to go to intention. We already have enough shenanigans on penalties.
Bottomline is ...dont slip. Rule needs to stand without having to go to intention. We already have enough shenanigans on penalties.
That's the thing atletico are complaining about
And what I was explaining in the first of my messages that you quoted. I'm a little confused about this exchange we're having, tbh
PedantryAnd what I was explaining in the first of my messages that you quoted. I'm a little confused about this exchange we're having, tbh
Is the top video fake? Because either that one is fake or UEFA's is. What a clusterfeck anyway.
Absolutely no need to change the rule.
A player slipping and taking a shit pen has happened a million times before and nobody asked for rule changes.
A player slipping and taking a shit pen has happened a million times before and nobody asked for rule changes.
Different angle?
That's just it...usually they don't go in. But now people are questioning only because it did. By virtue if it going in, it is quite possible there was an advantage
Were those pens disallowed though?
Imo it just highlights (once again) the inability to get the rulings balanced in the spirit of the game since VAR was introduced. Now you have offside ruling or this for example were they somewhat get so technical that a mere mm makes a seemingly difference while they also have huge margins of error or calls that were made in the spirit of the game that are straight against the rule book and for everyone clear to see (for example that incident last CL season in the ARS-Bayern match with the "kids error").
They don't need to go through full VAR from the taker pov, only the goalie side, on a miss.
I agree, obviously it's horrible for Alvarez and Athletico, but if say Rudiger slipped during the game and allowed an Athletico player to go through freely to score, noone would be expecting an adjustment to be made for the unfortunate error.
I don't see this penalty being any different, he slipped which caused him to break the rules and it contributed to his team losing. Unfortunate for them, but there's no real issue with it.
Did it though? The ball needs to move "clearly" for that to happen.