Thai Cave kids | All 12 boys and coach rescued from cave | visiting United

MDFC Manager said:
Yes, fortunately it appears as if there are multiple divers with the kids already. At no point will anyone be alone.
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It's not so much them being alone that I worry about, it's knowing that everyone else has already made their attempt and you're still stuck there. It must cause a lot of psychological damage. And they're kids, so it would be understandable for them to feel resentment and start thinking along the lines of 'why him first?'.

On the other hand, what must the ones who've already been saved be thinking right now, knowing that their friends are still down there? There's a lot of fecked up things that these kids will be dealing with right now.

But that's by the by right now. The main thing is getting them all out safely, and there's more reasons to be optimistic now.
 
rcoobc said:
If theyre being given tranquillisers, stuffed into bodybags with masks for oxygen, their psychological condition will have no baring on their chances of survival - come the rescue attempt anyway.
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What are you on about?
 
Wibble said:
What are you on about?
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There was a photo purporting to be from the rescue earlier in the thread. It showed 3 divers pulling/pushing a child sized package wrapped in red rubber. Picture had questionably great visibility and it's highly debatable whether the thing they were dragging would go round gnarly tight bends.

Some media outlets had been speculating on whether they might drug the kids to get them through the dive with a reduced risk of panic.
 
There was an item on TV of a cave rescue team in training in England. They had what looked like a rubber stretcher that they could strap someone in when they were moving them through bumpy bits. It's quite possible that once they were out of the water they transferred them to one of those to carry them out rather than making them walk/climb.

A bit like

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Typed "Diving stretcher" into youtube. Neymar got a listing.

This looks more like it though:



From a training exercise:

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Image posted earlier:

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Edit: I managed to source the dive that last image is from. It's not the Thailand one. Similar images cropped up in this video (at 56 seconds). It was posted July 4th. The divers are wearing the exact same outfits down to the spare light blue mask on the left guy's helmet. They're members of a French team of rescue divers (Speleo Secours Francais)who were offering their services.
 
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Arruda said:
High pressure oxygen.
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Good if you want to kill them quickly either by oxygen toxicity or explosion.

And I was talking about the bizarre idea of putting unconcious kids in body bags and dragging them out.

The only way you would do anything like this would be if someone is so badly injured there is no choice - you certainly wouldn't drug uninjured children to do this. And the stretchers would never get through the 70cm gap anyway.
 
Great news they have managed to get some of the boys out. Fingers crossed they can get a few more out today.
 
Ekkie Thump said:
There was a photo purporting to be from the rescue earlier in the thread. It showed 3 divers pulling/pushing a child sized package wrapped in red rubber. Picture had questionably great visibility and it's highly debatable whether the thing they were dragging would go round gnarly tight bends.

Some media outlets had been speculating on whether they might drug the kids to get them through the dive with a reduced risk of panic.
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That is crazy talk. The only way they would consider anything like that is if there are kids who are incapacitated.
 
Dargonk said:
Great news they have managed to get some of the boys out. Fingers crossed they can get a few more out today.
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Lets hope the monsoon rains hold off long enough. I'm very impressed they got 4 out alive - no mean feat given the conditions.
 
Wibble said:
Lets hope the monsoon rains hold off long enough. I'm very impressed they got 4 out alive - no mean feat given the conditions.
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Yeh, the weather for me seems the big worry now. It would be interesting to know how long it takes the rain to travel into and fill the cave system. With what looks like another 3 days of rescues based on progress so far, the last thing we want is for the water level to significantly rise while a rescue is underway.
 
I feel for the boys who have to wait while the others go ahead. That's such a hard thing to accept. Unfortunately it seem it is a necessity due to oxygen. Just hoping everyone can get out safely.
 
I read that they are holding off naming which boys have been rescued so as to not affect the parents inside. Makes sense to me, could not imagine being the parent of a child still trapped inside. I also read that the boys had some input as to who would go out first. Letting someone else go first knowing that by staying back, you are decreasing your own odds of survival is incredibly brave.
 
justboy68 said:
I feel for the boys who have to wait while the others go ahead. That's such a hard thing to accept. Unfortunately it seem it is a necessity due to oxygen. Just hoping everyone can get out safely.
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I doubt it has anything to do with oxygen or air availability. It sounds like they have taken the weakest/sickest kids out first while conditions are the best they are likely to be and that the practicalities of each rescue series limits how many they can rescue per day. Given the need to rest the rescue divers and restock air tanks along the route etc. this could take quite some time.
 
Melvyn said:
I read that they are holding off naming which boys have been rescued so as to not affect the parents inside. Makes sense to me, could not imagine being the parent of a child still trapped inside. I also read that the boys had some input as to who would go out first. Letting someone else go first knowing that by staying back, you are decreasing your own odds of survival is incredibly brave.
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I read reports that the Aussie doctor who went in decided that the weakest/sickest kids should come out first. And I think I saw the names of a least some of the rescued kids floating around somewhere in the news.
 
Wibble said:
I doubt it has anything to do with oxygen or air availability. It sounds like they have taken the weakest/sickest kids out first while conditions are the best they are likely to be and that the practicalities of each rescue series limits how many they can rescue per day. Given the need to rest the rescue divers and restock air tanks along the route etc. this could take quite some time.
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The healthiest ones have been rescued first.
 
Melvyn said:
I read that they are holding off naming which boys have been rescued so as to not affect the parents inside. Makes sense to me, could not imagine being the parent of a child still trapped inside. I also read that the boys had some input as to who would go out first. Letting someone else go first knowing that by staying back, you are decreasing your own odds of survival is incredibly brave.
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Very true.

Though to be fair, going first is incredibly brave too.
 
It may suck to not be the one to go out first, but imagine the huge moral boost to learn that the first four kids made it out safely. It surely must bring everyone’s spirits up and inspire more dedication.
 
MDFC Manager said:
No news yet to confirm that the divers have gone in again, maybe unlikely that they'll make another rescue attempt today?
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There's been no press conference this morning, so the press don't have anything official. The divers are known to be in the cave, but whether that's to start another rescue no one knows. They aren't thought to have been in the cave long enough to have done a round trip - hence why the helicopter is unexpected.
 
In other not-really-news I like Elon Musk less each time I see him mentioned.
 
Half an hour ago
The rescue operation to extract the boys from the cave is underway, official reports have confirmed.

Thailand’s interior ministry has said the same divers who went in on Sunday had gone in on Monday. There has been no reports as of yet on the divers progress.
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And just now - Promising signs.
Divers went in to extract more boys from the cave on Monday at 11am (5am BST), official reports have confirmed.

“The factors are as good as yesterday ... The rescue team is the same team with a few replacements,” Narongsak Osatanakorn, the head of the joint command centre coordinating the operation said.

He added: “The water level is not worrisome ... Yesterday’s rain did not affect water levels inside the cave.”
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Wibble said:
Good if you want to kill them quickly either by oxygen toxicity or explosion.
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It was a failed attempt at a joke! I know oxygen kills.

jojojo said:
In other not-really-news I like Elon Musk less each time I see him mentioned.
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Why in this particular situation? I ask because I share the same feeling but don't know exactly why. I guess here I thought he seemed too eager to participate in a situation he had little understanding of, but maybe that's me being cynic.
 
From what I understood the parents of the children don't know which have been saved yet or not. I find this a rather strange way of doing things... Can't understand the point of it.
 
Arruda said:
From what I understood the parents of the children don't know which have been saved yet or not. I find this a rather strange way of doing things... Can't understand the point of it.
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They were saying that they hadn't officially released the names and I assumed that this meant that they had told the parents on the quiet but that doesn't seem to be the case. Seems very odd.
 
CNN "More progress: An eye witness who is part of the rescue operations stationed at the entrance of the cave tells CNN he saw a 5th boy being carried out on a stretcher at 4:27pm local Monday."
 
Multiple reports that 5th boy has been rescued. Hope it's true.
 
I watched a clip on Youtube yesterday from some American diving Youtube-channel. They had a couple of experienced cave divers on to discuss this whole operation. They basically talked through the challenges of cave diving (which are many) and then explained how the Thai cave in question is so much more challenging than the "norm" because of the turbulence in the water, the fact that the water is actually mud meaning that there is no visibility and because of the parts of the cave where the divers needed to take of their gear and crawl their way through. All these circumstances working together makes it insanely difficult to dive there. They had spoken to one of the actual rescue divers on site who said that this was a cave that he would never ever dive if it wasn't for the fact that there were 13 kids trapped there.

The rescue divers here are proper heroes. Amazing effort and courage from them, regardless of how the rest of this ends.
 
Melvyn said:


Yeah nah.
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I think like most hobbies you become more fearless as you get more experienced and more into it.

I’m a bit of a claustrophile myself and I can see how you can slowly work up to that level shown in the video. If anything, it makes me regret not taking it up as a hobby back in the days when I had the time to take up such hobbies.
 
Wibble said:
They were saying that they hadn't officially released the names and I assumed that this meant that they had told the parents on the quiet but that doesn't seem to be the case. Seems very odd.
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It does seem weird but I guess the parents have united together in their worry as all this has been going on for over 2 weeks and are relying on each other for strength and the fear may be that the relief of some may lead to resentment in others over the order the kids are being brought out especially if the weather does close in. It does seem to be a rather perverse version of Schroedingers footballers if the parents are truly in the dark as to which kids have been rescued thus far.
 
According to the Guardian, number 5 is out.

 
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