Like I thought it would make more sense...
Thai Cave kids | All 12 boys and coach rescued from cave | visiting United
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Like I thought it would make more sense...
Bloody hell, is anything reported correct ly
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I thought the cave might be somehow connected to a greater water source that could be affected.
People needing to be the first with the scoop. Weird thing is the original reports came from usually reliable places like Reuters who spoke to someone from the medical team so the info shouldn't have been so inaccurate.
Sometimes you get to discover stuff like this (Gaping Gill, Yorkshire Dales):
Nevertheless, feck that as a sport, is right.
I've got to be honest, four saved is more than I expected reading the reports about the weather and how difficult the route was, especially after that diver died the other day.
The efforts involved here are remarkable, and I hope everyone involved, whatever the outcome from here, is given the credit they deserve.
The efforts involved here are remarkable, and I hope everyone involved, whatever the outcome from here, is given the credit they deserve.
I wouldn’t say that, even though you have to be somewhat crazy to do it. It’s a bit like extreme mountainclimbing. It’s just human nature to do it. I think George Mallory’s „because it’s there“ sums it up best.Sometimes you get to discover stuff like this (Gaping Gill, Yorkshire Dales):
Nevertheless, feck that as a sport, is right.
The thinking being food and water etc are going to make the weaker ones more ready for a rescue a day later or that the healthier ones are better suited to the first round of rescue to know how it goes?
Must say, seeing some of the boys go while you're not must be demoralising as feck. These kids are rockstars to have survived so long. I'm sure their coach must have played a huge role in this.
From the Guardian 
Oxygen level is probably one of the factor. With 1/3 of the group out it should get a bit easier for the other boys to recuperate before undertaking the trip.
If theyre being given tranquillisers, stuffed into bodybags with masks for oxygen, their psychological condition will have no baring on their chances of survival - come the rescue attempt anyway.
However. I feel like I'd rather take a 50% chance of survival where I'm in control than a 60% chance of survival where I'm not
Oh I definitely get the attraction.
Some blokes found this in Derbyshire as late as 1999 (dude top left middle for scale):
Discovering something like that has to be exhilarating. I'm not suggesting no-one should do it, just suggesting I'm not gonna do it. Happy to climb, happy to dive, happy to parachute, no chance am I crawling through darkness for hours.
They're likely to have oxygen cyclinders there already, no?
I don't think that's how it being done. Doesnt make sense given the nature of the path they need to traverse.
My apologies. Because they are better to test the effectiveness of the method with?
Some of these young kids will be able to handle the pressure better than others so it makes sense to have a plan for those that can’t.
Great job by the rescue team so far.
Fingers crossed for the rest.
Great job by the rescue team so far.
Fingers crossed for the rest.
Yeah, I get that. Would never do it myself, but I can see the beauty in what those people are doing. It must be an indescribable feeling to discover a place so secluded, somewhere no one ever was before.Oh I definitely get the attraction.
Some blokes found this in Derbyshire as late as 1999 (dude top left middle for scale):
Discovering something like that has to be exhilarating. I'm not suggesting no-one should do it, just suggesting I'm not gonna do it. Happy to climb, happy to dive, happy to parachute, no chance am I crawling through darkness for hours.
They've used them up and now have to replenish them apparently
I'd like to think so but every bit helps. Not having to supply them as much would lighten the load in installing oxygen tanks along the way for the divers as well.
Did they say how long the journey out is (time wise)?
The divers started the day at about 10am, the first kid was out at about 5.30pm.
Jeez, 7-1/2 hours r/t. Fair play to the rescue team.
Wonder how long once they get going with the boys in tow?
Wonder how long once they get going with the boys in tow?
Makes sense.
Its been reported it took them 6 hours to in and out from the boys to surface. 7 hours more or less will be fair with one kid at a time. 4 kids a day is as fast as they can considering divers condition also. Suppose it be the same tomorrow with weather forecast, all of them will be on surface on Wed or Tuesday.
Not sure, but apparently conditions and water levels have gone down a fair bit, which has helped. Still about 1km underwater
I was thinking more about the second, but the first might make some sense as well, unless their poorer health is related to low oxygen percentage in the cave.
I wonder if this event will raise interest in cave diving.
Cave diving has been there since long time and people who took interest in it fully aware of it consequences. It just because a freak incident suddenly become mass interest. I doubt anything would be diffrent apart from awareness about how to cave diving safer.
There's a great thing in Wales where you go into the old mines and do some climbing, some absailing, some spelunking and learn the history of the mines. Water rushing everywhere and most of the time your knee deep in it.
Nothing like this event but quite fun
Nothing like this event but quite fun
Cave diving to replace tuna fishing as a reality show craze maybe?
'Stupendous Spelunking Superstars!'
It takes a lot of training to do too. Maybe there might be a spike in thrill seekers trying it.
Holy feck, im never going into a cave again.
I'm in physical pain from watching that. Could barely watch two minutes. Horrible, absolutely horrible. Stuff of nightmares for a claustrophobe like me.
I like watching these caving videos on youtube. I actually understand why people do it. Imagine being the first person to route this cave. The guts or stupidity that takes!
It certainly raised mine, but a bit like mountain climbing a few years ago, it's an interest that just makes me fearful of ever trying this stuff. This is only for a certain kind of people.
I was just watching another video on youtube... A cave diver who was beating records at depths close to 300 m found a body of a missing diver. He devised a meticulous plan to return and retrieve the body. He had been told by experts that the body should be a sack of bones and hence had no buyoancy (it had been dead for 10 years). But when he cut the harnesses of the equipment it turned out that the body actually floated. That sole unpredictable incident caused the death of the diver as it entangled him and he lost control. Turns out that the body had suffered a rare decomposition process in which it turns to wax (due to the fat) which actually has buyoancy.
At these levels of risk anything that goes wrong can be a death sentence.
Nope. Nope nope nope.
Different things for different people but I honestly don't see where is the fun on it.
I can't think of a worse way to go. I would rather be beheaded or eaten by an anaconda than suffer that fate.
This gives a sense of what it's like to be rescued, including comments from people who the British team have rescued in the past: https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/jul/07/thai-cave-rescue-how-survivors-deal-trauma-ordeal
I watched an interview with some other people who've been rescued as well, on typical UK potholing trips. A lot of them carried on caving, some going on cave diving courses afterwards. For the people who love it, the joy of the achievement and those occasional moments where they get to see an extraordinary location that few people will ever see are enough. The claustrophobia, the risk becomes part of the experience, rather than a reason not to do it.
I watched an interview with some other people who've been rescued as well, on typical UK potholing trips. A lot of them carried on caving, some going on cave diving courses afterwards. For the people who love it, the joy of the achievement and those occasional moments where they get to see an extraordinary location that few people will ever see are enough. The claustrophobia, the risk becomes part of the experience, rather than a reason not to do it.
Huge respect to the divers who are enabling the rescue.