Nice graphic to show how the evacuation is done.
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Thai Cave kids | All 12 boys and coach rescued from cave | visiting United
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Nice graphic to show how the evacuation is done.
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3 hours under water is still a very long time. This rescue operation is absolutely incredible.
Hopefully they're all out within a couple of days and the coach is greeted with handcuffs at the entrance.
That’s not cool man. The parents don’t blame him and we don’t know exactly what happened.
I think the coach has been punished enough.
He kept all of them alive for 9 days as well. He might have done wrong due to inexperience but really cant question his character.
Hoping all rescue goes as planned tomorrow as well. Will be awesome if any of the kids have recovered well to attend the WC finals.
I'm convinced a good section of society doesn't know what prison is for.
Idiotic comment.
Not sure he did much wrong either. Pretty sure I read that the warning about not entering the caves are from July onwards. The rain that caused the flooding was unexpected. I think he did what was best according to the circumstances.
Maybe the coach is into BDSM
No doubt that it is a good idea, but imagine being the one to make that call. Easier said than done.
The main thing is that they are coming out and so far successfully. Hopefully they will be able to get everyone out in the next 24 hours, largely unharmed.
It's a pretty irresponsible place to take a group of school children to be fair. It's not like it's one of these tourist caves.
It's not exactly illegal though.
Even if that be the case, does it qualify for jail time? By all accounts he ate little/no food insisting the children keep eating and looked after them in awful conditions for 9-10 days. It's also been mentioned that they kept moving inwards to avoid flooding. It's not like they went deep inside the cave. Maybe they just went in thinking they will be out in half an hour (Not sure and will have to look it up). Elements beyond their control caused them to keep moving inwards.
Has Musk taken credit for the rescue yet?
Trump has
Great formation, gives you the extra legs you need.
One of the cavers they talked to described it as exactly that, a tourist cave - outside the monsoon season. Exactly the sort of place where generations of local lads would have gone on trips to and enjoyed exploring. Some of them had been in there recently with their Scout troop. It's the fact that there's another (dry in the dry season, a river in monsoon season) tunnel that connects to it, and it's about a mile past the entrance that caught them out.
There may have been nothing disturbing going in, then suddenly that underground river started to flow. It may be that it started quite suddenly (like when water overflows a dam) - and it's quite possible that no had ever seen that before - or at any rate no one had seen it and survived. At any rate, this feels like misadventure rather than negligence, I guess there will be plenty of discussion when the rescue work is finally over.
I guess they'll re-evaluate the safe months? Until early June? Or even disregard June completely?
Do you know it's not a tourist cave? Because having areas nicknamed Pattaya beach and the government promising that damages done to the cave during the rescue will be repaired seems to suggest it is and Chiang Rai is a popular tourist area with people who are looking for a little more culture and genuine Thailand than those who visit the real Pattaya beach.
This guy is a 25 year old buddhist monk and coach of the local youth team who took the kids to a site he has probably visited for it's spiritual significance and the nearby monastery many times in his life. They just got unlucky with the weather and he has done a phenomenal job in keeping them alive and in good spirit for so long so the likes of @Samid calling for him to be arrested is out of order.
By tourist cave I mean the kind where groups of children go with a guide, with walkways and the like. It doesn't look like that kind of place, but could be wrong? And there's no guide with them. I agree with your last point, but it is irresponsible by the looks of it.
Maybe it is and I've got it wrong. It doesn't seem that way though, even if it is a local attraction.
I'm not saying he should be arrested either, I'm just saying it's irresponsible. Unless it's the kind where you pay in and get shown round I still think it is.
i think samid should be arrested for making that bad post. like if you agree
Handcuffed at login.
When I was a kid there is nothing that I would have loved more than explore a cave. Sadly I never got to do it, and the thrill of doing so has faded over the years. I also would have loved to visit one of those mazes that are made out of hedges, but again, never got to do that either.
So here we have a man, who was willing to coach these kids to play football, but not only that he was willing to spend time with them, to take them on adventures. Did he put them in danger? Clearly yes. But I think the important question here, is was he aware he was putting them in danger? I would say probably not. For me, he was doing a good thing, that went wrong, but he was actually going above and beyond the call of duty here. Prison is the last place he belongs (unless there is something in this story I don't know about), I think it is fair to say he has learnt a valuable life lesson here, and I actually hope he can carry on coaching as his heart was (probably) in the right place and the world needs people like that.
So here we have a man, who was willing to coach these kids to play football, but not only that he was willing to spend time with them, to take them on adventures. Did he put them in danger? Clearly yes. But I think the important question here, is was he aware he was putting them in danger? I would say probably not. For me, he was doing a good thing, that went wrong, but he was actually going above and beyond the call of duty here. Prison is the last place he belongs (unless there is something in this story I don't know about), I think it is fair to say he has learnt a valuable life lesson here, and I actually hope he can carry on coaching as his heart was (probably) in the right place and the world needs people like that.
Has anyone mentioned any currents/waterflow in the cave?
The diagrams we have are 2D but i bet there are currents of waterflow that rise and fall.
Diving against a strong current can be tricky even for experienced divers. Given this seems to be storm water flooding a cave there may be massive changes in waterflow that they are having to adjust to.
Remember even a very fit experienced diver has died trying to push themselves. Kids will be much less robust
The diagrams we have are 2D but i bet there are currents of waterflow that rise and fall.
Diving against a strong current can be tricky even for experienced divers. Given this seems to be storm water flooding a cave there may be massive changes in waterflow that they are having to adjust to.
Remember even a very fit experienced diver has died trying to push themselves. Kids will be much less robust
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Would be very nice if this is all wrapped up tomorrow! Think there's a fair chance of it happening too.
The initial reports did talk of very strong currents. They've probably now subsided a bit thanks to all the pumping out of water.
Going in initially, they were swimming against the current. Some of the descriptions talk about the submerged section going from a 4 hour navigation going in, to a 50 minute return swim.
Now the water level has been reduced they've got a lot of sections of trapped water and less current to deal with.
Oh right. I don't think it's that kind of place. It's just a place that you could walk into, and that people did just walk into - not as a potholing expedition, just as a bit of fun. When I was a kid there were plenty of places in England like that too, I suspect these days a lot of the English ones have "keep out" notices and metal grates across, but I don't think that was how the locals saw this cave - it was just their cave.
Yeah exactly. I think many people have forgotten that the super safe/fences around everything stuff we have in the UK now is an exception rather than the rule globally. I remember the first time I went to Carcassone in France about a decade ago and you could freely wander around 30 foot high crumbling fortress walls with sheer drops everywhere.
I read that the coach lostboth parents and his sister when he was very young and that the team means a lot to him because of that too. In addition he is a munk, as has been mentioned. By all accounts a good guy who seems to have kept their spirits up and actually managed to get them away from rising water in pitch dark.
Oh man, this dude clearly can't catch a break.
The only thing he is guilty of here is naivety, to prosecute him would be disgusting. No good whatsoever could come of it.
From tonight's press conference. The Thai commander confirmed that the eight kids are all doing well in hospital and that the diving team are all ok. They expect to start the rescue work again tomorrow morning.
The press also asked him if they were planning to try and take all 5 people out tomorrow:
The press also asked him if they were planning to try and take all 5 people out tomorrow:
Screw arresting him, the coach deserves praise for helping to keep them all alive in an awful situation. By all accounts the kids were in good spirits when they were initially found, and a lot of that will be down to the coach. Sure, he made an unfortunate, ultimately terrible decision to take them in there, but circumstances conspired to make the decision worse than it was. Besides, he is going to have to live with the guilt and the public disdain for a long time yet, so I think he's been punished enough.
Hopefully this story has a happy ending and the world can celebrate it as an act of bravery by the kids and the rescuers. There's not always a need to find a villain.
Hopefully this story has a happy ending and the world can celebrate it as an act of bravery by the kids and the rescuers. There's not always a need to find a villain.
Amazing that they're getting them out safely considering everything, and especially after a professional cave diver actually died doing that route.
3 hours underwater is incredible really for first time divers. I've done a couple of dives and I don't think I'd enjoy breathing under water through the tank and stuff for that long. Just three days back it was being said it's too risky to make the kids dive through this and now we're 8/8 on success stories so far. Absolutely incredible stuff.
I'd be suprised if they gave them anything after being trapped without food for so long. And rescuing a dead weight over such a long distance and through such tight gaps would be a nightmare. The speed of each rescue almost certainly indicates that the kids were operating under their own steam.