It's only his lower middle order that's better by 1 batsman. The likes of Hanif, Kanhai and kalli especially are all time greats of the game. The toss is a very small advantage in NZL, it isn't the subcontinent. Also, in Hanif, we have the one man you'd want to blunt an attack. The guy batted like a machine. Once batted over 3 days to save a test vs no other than WI. Our bowling attack is better, I don't see even NM arguing otherwise and the conditions are ideal for the set to exploit it. Ames is good ofcourse but I see you being influenced by his stumping stats in particular, it's meaningless in a game like this when he'll be standing 30 yards behind the wicket. The batting side is already part of what I said about his lower middle order being slightly better.
Test Cricket draft: Mani vs NM @ Basin Reserve, Wellington
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It's only his lower middle order that's better by 1 batsman. The likes of Hanif, Kanhai and kalli especially are all time greats of the game. The toss is a very small advantage in NZL, it isn't the subcontinent. Also, in Hanif, we have the one man you'd want to blunt an attack. The guy batted like a machine. Once batted over 3 days to save a test vs no other than WI. Our bowling attack is better, I don't see even NM arguing otherwise and the conditions are ideal for the set to exploit it. Ames is good ofcourse but I see you being influenced by his stumping stats in particular, it's meaningless in a game like this when he'll be standing 30 yards behind the wicket. The batting side is already part of what I said about his lower middle order being slightly better.
Ah feck, not long to go is it, thought I'd be sober by now. Will vote soon anyway.
All in your hands Aldo. No Pressure
Could see him making a difference when Gibbs is bowling. Also, he was WK during the bodyline series so he'd be plenty useful at catching off the quicks.
Liked the article about Garner though. Hm.
Borrowing from the Samid vs Harshad match.
HANIF MOHAMMAD vs Conrad Hunte
KEPLER WESSELS(C) vs John Edrich
ROHAN KANHAI vs Lara
ALVIN KALLICHARRAN vs Crowe
MICHAEL CLARKE vs Lloyd (normally Lloyd, but since he was so rubbish in those conditions,I'm not so sure)
D.GANGA vs Hooper
IAN SMITH(W) vs Ames
MICHAEL HOLDING vs Donald
JOEL GARNER vs Hall
FRANK TYSON vs Mahmood. N.C
SUBHASH GUPTE vs Gibbs. N.C
HANIF MOHAMMAD vs Conrad Hunte
KEPLER WESSELS(C) vs John Edrich
ROHAN KANHAI vs Lara
ALVIN KALLICHARRAN vs Crowe
MICHAEL CLARKE vs Lloyd (normally Lloyd, but since he was so rubbish in those conditions,I'm not so sure)
D.GANGA vs Hooper
IAN SMITH(W) vs Ames
MICHAEL HOLDING vs Donald
JOEL GARNER vs Hall
FRANK TYSON vs Mahmood. N.C
SUBHASH GUPTE vs Gibbs. N.C
Aaaand we're back.
And other interesting read on Gupte
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/1397772/Subhash-Gupte.html
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/1397772/Subhash-Gupte.html
Wait, is it John Edrich or Bill Edrich?
It doesn't work that way. It's team A bowlers vs team B batsmen and team A batsmen vs team B bowlers. Not A batters vs B batters and A bowlers vs B bowlers.
Anyways, even in the comparison you did, Crowe > Kallicharran is simply not true.
TMH's line up suggested it was John Edrich.
Amazing stat which include Marshall( sorry harshad)
@Varun not sure why u r getting mad. He made a point and I responded. It was nothing to do with you or mani? It was me and ijazz? I'm confused
I kept thinking it was Bill Edrich for some reason
I'm not getting mad NM. You said I downplayed Lloyd by bringing up his record in NZL whereas I actually pointed out it isn't important to Ijazz when he did so.
Yeah, I agree with you. But it's about which batting team is more likely to survive the other's bowling attack. And I use the word survive because of the conditions and the bowlers involved. I'm still undecided to be honest.
Yes, in which case you have to weigh his batting vs my bowlers and then my batting vs his bowlers and decide where the advantage is.Yeah, I agree with you. But it's about which batting team is more likely to survive the other's bowling attack. And I use the word survive because of the conditions and the bowlers involved. I'm still undecided to be honest.
Why am I involved?
. I thought you telling something about not finding time to dig out circumstantial facts was about Gibbs's performance in NZ. Because I remember Akshay used that word in particular. How did i get tangled into this.Its nothing about winning or loosing here,drafting a team was good experience.
Good game @NM
one more articles before it all ends.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/527402.html
Good game @NM
one more articles before it all ends.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/527402.html
@Ijazz17 what I mean by this is basically how many runs you think an additional lower middle order batsman is going to account for in NZL conditions vs an attack we have. And then decide if those many runs are more imp than the difference in quality in the bowling attacks.
The commentators are always on about the extra 100 added by the tail being invaluable, must be something in it.
That is a fair point. Hooper would probably get out for nought or single digits against that bowling.
Good God, give me the strength to please undo my fecking vote and make me a well broiled chicken!
Neither side's tail is adding anywhere close to that in this game considering the pitch and the pace attacks in play. I'm even including the sort of extra no 6/7 that NM has here.
This is what Garner has to say. Notice the bit about the tail.
Should I chicken out?
Again you presume that every single time your bowlers will pick up the ball the opposition will have no answer whatsoever. What if someone like Lara is well set on 150+ and dominating your attack, Hooper comes in and strings in a partnership of 50-60 odd with Lara guiding the proceedings? Does it sound far fetched, at all? If I had to make a list of batsmen who can dominate your attack with the innings revolving around them, it would be a small list, and Brian Lara would be in it.
I won't go as far as saying hooper would go for a duck but yeah, this isn't going to be a very high scoring game for sure and certainly not one where the lower half contribute much. Garner, holding and Tyson will clean them off in no time. Or "blast out" as per Garner
Where have I done that Aldo? I am talking about his no 7 and lower here. They aren't going to be putting on 100 runs vs my pace trio. I'm not for a second suggesting his top order will just shit themselves when my pacers run in.
A "what if" exceptional condition like that isn't how drafts should go imo. What if kanhai and kalli get centuries with Hanif playing a typical 100 batting for a day? Cmon. In any case, I am not downplaying lara or any of his top batters, just responding to your post about the tail adding 100 runs. It's never going to happen at NZL vs this pace attack.
Can you undo my vote. Are you powerful enough for that ? Or can we ask Rado to get me tempa banned ? or If I called someone an Idiot, would my vote be disqualified ?Should I chicken out?
But yeah, I think you should stick your neck out if you think one team is gonna win this. If you see a draw written all over it, then probably not. But it is NZ, games there hardly ever get drawn.
Naah, do vote even though you indicated voting for NMShould I chicken out?
. It's a cracking game, votes should be there.Should I chicken out?
Whenever I'm afraid to vote I think of rimaldo who's gone on record that he votes by flipping a coin. If your opinion is better considered than a coin toss, you should vote.Can you undo my vote. Are you powerful enough for that ? Or can we ask Rado to get me tempa banned ? or If I called someone an Idiot, would my vote be disqualified ?
But yeah, I think you should stick your neck out if you think one team is gonna win this. If you see a draw written all over it, then probably not. But it is NZ, games there hardly ever get drawn.
Neither would Hooper shit himself, and he's coming in at 7. Kanhai can obviously easily score a big hundred here, I've not tried to suggest they will fall like dominos against Donald and co.
Way too much credit is being given to the pace attacks here, in my opinion, they are both great and it is NZ but both teams also have batsmen who have made their names facing such attacks in such conditions, in particular one, who will probably win this game for his team, like he did time and again, alongside much worse players.
Really?
Hooper wouldn't have been an international player if he was getting out for nought or single digits. I can understand if its a tailender or a sheep but a guy who played 100 Test Matches, coming in when the ball is old, and lost its shine should be able to provide support to any middle order player already at the crease.
Voted NM
What happens in the event of a tie?
Hooper won't normally account more than 20 runs here imo which isn't enough to compensate for my superior pace attack but never mind, opinions and all that. I don't think how pace attacks can not be given their due credit btw, there's a reason why we focused on getting holding and garner when most were collecting top batsmen. Bowlers win matches. Especially ones in the likes of NZL.