I didn't notice you spoke about bowling as I quickly quoted you both
. Ofcourse it would be Garner. Test Cricket draft: Mani vs NM @ Basin Reserve, Wellington
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. Ofcourse it would be Garner. In terms of contribution I expect it to be more than Darren Ganga
Also, I would consider conditions in England to be closest to NZ, and Hooper's average in England is around 35. Any runs Hooper scores may well be the difference between the two sides. And you would expect Hooper to out score Darren Ganga.
You've really fallen in love with the two WI pacemen, haven't you?I didn't notice you spoke about bowling as I quickly quoted you both
I still have half a mind of throwing a wall of text on your face for thinking that either of them were better than Pidge, and I'm not even a big fan of his. 
By the way now that the game is over, one thing I usually think about. Looking at the current era, everyone talks how batsman friendly it is and loads of batsmen get the short end of the stick because of it, records being inflated and so forth. Going back to the 70s, the tables had turned, and it was a bowler friendly era both in terms of rules and the fact that teams had multiple World Class bowlers allowed to get as aggressive as they wanted. Taking it into an all time context, how do we comment on the effectiveness of those bowlers if they were to spearhead an attack alone and they won't be having another superfast paceman to maintain the pressure from the other end? Should we consider their stats inflated as well?
Ofcourse. That's why I said of an "extra" contribution you expect and if that's enough to compensate for our better bowling attack. I don't think so but it's a matter of opinion end of the day. I chose aus and sa because of the bowling attacks, Eng have always been shit. Now take that average and take into account the quality of bowlers on show here and the picture isn't that pretty.In terms of contribution I expect it to be more than Darren Ganga
Also, I would consider conditions in England to be closest to NZ, and Hooper's average in England is around 35. Any runs Hooper scores may well be the difference between the two sides. And you would expect Hooper to out score Darren Ganga.
I'm not sure. Do we consider bowlers from the last decade to be better than their stats because of the nature of the pitches? I rate batsmen who batted mostly in the 50s a little lower since that was also a batsmen-dominated decade.You've really fallen in love with the two WI pacemen, haven't you?
By the way now that the game is over, one thing I usually think about. Looking at the current era, everyone talks how batsman friendly it is and loads of batsmen get the short end of the stick because of it, records being inflated and so forth. Going back to the 70s, the tables had turned, and it was a bowler friendly era both in terms of rules and the fact that teams had multiple World Class bowlers allowed to get as aggressive as they wanted. Taking it into an all time context, how do we comment on the effectiveness of those bowlers if they were to spearhead an attack alone and they won't be having another superfast paceman to maintain the pressure from the other end? Should we consider their stats inflated as well?
I reckon Hooper would have player against Ambrose, Bishop, Walsh, Marshall in county cricket and must have had performances to be picked. So one would assume that the ability to play express tear away fast bowlers is already there.
Isn't that what happens anyway?
One of the reasons Steyn is rated among the all time greatest bowlers is because he has bowling like that on batsman friendly pitches, with rules that protect batsmen a lot more than they did in the 70s.
Wasn't he pretty good against short bowling in general?
Wow, two top teams. This one is genuinely tough to pick.
I quite like the thought of Holding and Garner in Kiwi conditions.
Seen few of footy draft matches ending in tie,but being part of one is great experience.
Yes he was. And a good player of spin bowling too.
Oh yes. I admired them earlier as well but reading so much about them for the draft was just incredible. Same for Gupte. Fascinating stuff.You've really fallen in love with the two WI pacemen, haven't you?
By the way now that the game is over, one thing I usually think about. Looking at the current era, everyone talks how batsman friendly it is and loads of batsmen get the short end of the stick because of it, records being inflated and so forth. Going back to the 70s, the tables had turned, and it was a bowler friendly era both in terms of rules and the fact that teams had multiple World Class bowlers allowed to get as aggressive as they wanted. Taking it into an all time context, how do we comment on the effectiveness of those bowlers if they were to spearhead an attack alone and they won't be having another superfast paceman to maintain the pressure from the other end? Should we consider their stats inflated as well?
Having a partner is always a big help otherwise the batter just try and see you off. So a holding would be less effective when he doesn't have the required support.
Takes us closer to the fact that Hadlee is the real king of bowlers.
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You didn't vote I see. Do so if you want but please do consider the teams first.
Spinners is what he did well against if memory serves me right.
I am thinking of waiting 1 hour at max. So if @VanGaalEra is here and wants to read up and make informed decision and most importantly, is OK with both teams, we can go ahead with him.
Oh yes
One of the top ones ofcourse but hard to put him as better as the WI quicks. Haven't researched Jim anywhere close to the extent I have for them though wouldn't it's unfair I supposeTakes us closer to the fact that Hadlee is the real king of bowlers.
Not ahead of Marshall or Ambrose, of course. But the rest, yes, surely.
Yeah, we are absolutely fine with him. He's playing the draft so we should prefer him to someone from outside.
Nice read that. Always pictured hooper as stronger vs spin. Never had as great a time in pace friendly conditions as he had in the subcontinent and WI.
He has a really strong pull shot, reacts very quickly.
Lara, as well, of course, the most beautiful pull shot I've seen in my lifetime, with Ponting being a close second. Short bowling's got nothing on them.
Lara and Ponting were absolutely immense with their hooks and pulls.He has a really strong pull shot, reacts very quickly.
Lara, as well, of course, the most beautiful pull shot I've seen in my lifetime, with Ponting being a close second. Short bowling's got nothing on them.
TBH, I clicked on your name even at 14:01 IST with some 6 mins to spare. But I thought changing it now, would make me a murderer. If I was to have changed it, should have changed it sooner. Sorry mateI was half hoping Ijazz would change his mind tbh after everything he said about the pitches and the factors that would decide the result
He has a really strong pull shot, reacts very quickly.
Lara, as well, of course, the most beautiful pull shot I've seen in my lifetime, with Ponting being a close second. Short bowling's got nothing on them.
I love Lara's cut short more,little dance at crease before he cut
I think one person voting is way too subjective
Getting three is fair in my opinion.
Getting three is fair in my opinion.
Oh
You should have if you wanted to because even Boycott voted with barely mins to go, it's the same thing. Would have been fairer to have a result based on people that followed the entire thing than a quick vote from someone who didnt.
But that was the thing. The conditions played a part in me choosing NM over your team. Had it been elsewhere, Your bowlers would have been comfortably ahead of NM's for me.Oh
You should have if you wanted to because even Boycott voted with barely mins to go, it's the same thing. Would have been fairer to have a result based on people that followed the entire thing than a quick vote from someone who didnt.
Damn!! I missed this.. couldn't decide which way to vote yesterday night.
Shame on you Kotha
Edit: I tell you what, let's ask Rado to open up the votes for one more hour and you can make your pick
Or he can just post his vote here.Shame on you Kotha
Edit: I tell you what, let's ask Rado to open up the votes for one more hour and you can make your pick
Need to decide this lads. You can either:
Decide on a mutual game decider, tag him and get his decision. Or:
The next three votes posted in the thread by people who failed/forgot to vote count. Whoever gets 2, wins.
Decide on a mutual game decider, tag him and get his decision. Or:
The next three votes posted in the thread by people who failed/forgot to vote count. Whoever gets 2, wins.
@kotha and @VanGaalEra should PM TMH their votes.
@kotha @VanGaalEra @Donaldo @EdWeatherall @brewlio
First 3 votes from these or anyone else who wants to vote (not a WUM, legit) will be considered.
First 3 votes from these or anyone else who wants to vote (not a WUM, legit) will be considered.
do I pm d vote or post it here ??
Anything is fine. You can post here too.
I vote for Mani's team.
Holding & Garner
Holding & Garner