The post was more about the structure of the write up than the players.
I know about everyone in your team so don't really need a heads up on them.
Test Cricket draft: Mani vs NM @ Basin Reserve, Wellington
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The post was more about the structure of the write up than the players.
I know about everyone in your team so don't really need a heads up on them.
Ah okay. Yeah, wasn't very well formatted. Will get on my laptop and edit it if we make it to the next round.The post was more about the structure of the write up than the players.
I know about everyone in your team so don't really need a heads up on them.
AlrightOh ya maybe. I only read about it so read both and formed an opinion. Hasty I suppose
Wrong. Lads, we are comparing a true legend of the game with somebody that Varun/Mani have done a good write up on. I'm sure Gupte was very good, but Gibbs is one of the all time greats. One of the best economies and one of the greatest workhorses of all time. He will eat overs up. You add a few overs from Hooper and my quicks will always be fresh. Can we say the same about his?
I can't believe we are comparing a guy with approx 35 tests and 150 wickets to a guy with 80 tests and 300 wickets and saying they are comparable.
It's all good then. Les Ames is the greatest keeper in the world FACHT. Widen said so.
We aren't making him out to be anything he isn't.
Re your point, Gupte and Clarke are more than capable of eating overs up to keep the quickies fresh if that's all you're looking from them. Guess who will run in to your batters after that though? Garner. Holding. Tyson
That said, Gupte was a wicket taker and that's how we will be using him, not just to keep our quickies fresh.Garner Is more in mold of Mcgrath His consistent line awkward length had troubled most top batsmens.
Not to sound like a dickhead, but I will anyways. Suppose Gupte didn't get banned from playing tests and he doubled his match appearances to 70, theoretically he would have picked up 300 wickets quicker than Gibbs did. This is very similar to the Barry Richards scenario, everyone knew how good he was, but were scared to pick him simply because he failed to play enough test matches. But one argument very objectively made is that, Gupte has a better First class record than Gibbs. He's even picked up a 10-er in one innings. So, to say the two are incomparable isn't all that true imo.
Edit: it doesn't really matter anyways. As pretty much everyone has agreed upon, this pitch is ideal for the pacers. All about survival, the way I see it.
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Can you link me to something about that? Because everything I've read about Garner (including your write-up) suggests he was about pace and bounce. Sure, his yorkers were excellent at the death in ODI cricket, but that's not really relevant.
Brilliant
Its already In the write up, you tube video from Boycott describes how difficult its to play Garner.
Right now with mobile else would got you some article on it.
Yeah, sure he was accurate but what made Garner Garner was the incredible bounce and pace which saw him get loads of wickets for very little and made him so tough to score off.
Ah ok I'll look at the video then.
After a lot of thought, I finally decided to go with NM's team. Marun probably have the better openers, but NM has a more stable middle order. Variation to NM's bowling was probably the clincher.
Argh
. Holding, Garner and Tyson lose out to Donald, Hall and Mahmood? Cmon man.You can't have too much of the good stuff Man. Even a 50 year old Scotch loses it's charm after a 5th glass.Argh
Edit: But there's still more 12 hours left, so plenty of time to swing things in your favour.
Rather have 5 glasses of 50 yr old Scotch than 2 of 30 yr Scotch, 1 of whisky and then 1 of vodka before finishing off with Rum no?
Quality is quality mate especially when they are of the level we have. Also, they weren't xerox copies of each other. Garner was incredibly bouncy and ofcourse had pace and accuracy. Holding was faster but not as tall. Tyson was probably the fastest, brutal. It's a nightmare for batsmen.
God, I'd rather die than touch Rum. Damn, now I'm confused again. Damn you Marun2
Lara, Crowe & Lloyd vs Garner, Holding & Tyson is where the match is going to be won or lost. I genuinely don't which way it will swing. Lara's a genius, and it almost feels inevitable he would rise up to such a challenge with great verve. But still Garner & Holding might just be enough to cause enough damage everywhere else for even Lara to not make up for it.
Genuinely undecided.
Genuinely undecided.
Lloyd was terrible in NZ. Averages 17. Does that make things easier ? But has to be said, Crowe was excellent.
Haha. I didn't mean to confuse you mate, just think it'd suck really bad if we lose because you think his pace attack is better. Even NM himself admits ours is better in his own write up. Holding, Garner and Tyson together man.God, I'd rather die than touch Rum. Damn, now I'm confused again. Damn you Marun2
I'm not going to vote until tomorrow. Hopefully NM comes back and gives some of his views. Leaning Mani right now but not by much.
Hope we get a lot more votes too. Upwards of 20 votes on all the previous games and only 8 so far here..
Hope we get a lot more votes too. Upwards of 20 votes on all the previous games and only 8 so far here..
Quite on the contrary, the whole point of close games like this is to confuse, provoke and question the voters and argue your case as well as possible. So, I have no problem in being confused. I'd probably have chickened out of voting otherwise tbh.
I think everyone knows this is a close one. And like you said, probably are waiting for NM with his thoughts on the game. I'm sure the numbers will go up.
I am finding it too tough to choose. Will vote sometime tomorrow.
That's true. It's a close game so I can understand people finding it tough to vote. I just had to point out the point about the 2 pace attacks though but as I said, it wasn't to Co fuse you. More to show that even NM agrees we have the better one.
Fair enough. But I think, you have every right to question those that voted against you too and you have every right to confuse them/provoke them to think. Things like that make the draft even more exciting.
And yes, I agree you technically have the better bowling line up. In conditions like W.I, S.A, your bowlers will reign supreme. But this being NZ, swing plays an important part too. And if I am not mistaken, Fazal Mahmood was an expert seam bowler, who would love conditions like this. And Alan Donald, well, the name says it all doesn't it ?
http://www.espncricinfo.com/blogs/content/story/720163.html
Just did a little quick digging, and you're very own Tyson compared Mahmood to Bedser but called him Better. The conditions, and the fact that NM is fielding first, is what makes me think it may go his way.
Alright mate, your call.
Also, if your team loses, I might get Hanif on a free transfer. Him or GarnerAlright mate, your call.
I'm interested to know why you think Donald doesn't belong to the same league as Holding or Garner. @Varun
As great as Donald was, I just don't think he was as good to put it simply. I loved Donald, really, always the 1 bowler who I thought would get Sachin out soon but even then, he was playable. The likes of holding and garner had that extra bounce and fear factor associated with them. Garner in particular was bloody brutal to bat against. Chest high bounce from just short of a length, incredibly tough to play and survive. Even the great Sir Viv couldn't score off him in the nets.
Donald would be alongside the likes of waqar, wasim, mcgrath etc in the tier below for me.
Let me get sober, this needs to be put straight.
Thank feck for that. Truth is, I don't think he was as good as Mcgrath or Wasim either but I didn't want to seem like underrating him on purpose because of the draft. NM thinking I'm bigging up Gupte to be someone he wasn't which affected that in a way.Wait, what ?
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Wasim, McGrath and even Donald deserve to be in the top tier in my opinion. The only thing that goes against Donald maybe is that, he didn't have someone as menacing and great, bowling from the other end. Pollock, Ntini are all good, but not close enough to Waqar, Warne etc.
Wasim and Mcgrath are definitely top tier. Donald, as I said in an earlier post, is in tier 2 for me. I don't think it's because of the lack of a partner either, Pollock was very good.