As far as we know he’s not infected. What’s your point?The answer to your question is no. What the answer to my question?
As far as we know he’s not infected. What’s your point?The answer to your question is no. What the answer to my question?
Jesus ChristIt's completely bizzare that Djokovic the anti vaxxer is becoming the rallying cry for all the covidiots. Unfortunately Serbians are caught up in this because of their national pride.
Don't use the Lord's name in vain.Jesus Christ![]()
It’s just interesting to me that the actual risk is that he might get infected by another Australian during his stay in Melbourne.As far as we know he’s not infected. What’s your point?
That's the risk every person who doesn't want to get vaccinated takes. Whether he gets that in Australia or somewhere else is immaterial.It’s just interesting to me that the actual risk is that he might get infected by another Australian during his stay in Melbourne.
Jesus never claims that he is the Lord, at least not in the synoptic gospels. Only John’s gospel mentions it but as we all know the author of John was trying to make a theological, not historical point, thus developing a distinct, high christology.Don't use the Lord's name in vain.
The reason the rule exists is because unvaccinated people in general are a higher risk to themselves and a higher risk to others. Why should someone come into the country and take up vital medical resources?It’s just interesting to me that the actual risk is that he might get infected by another Australian during his stay in Melbourne.
Just listened to the latest NCR pod on it and it seems like a feck up from Tennis Australia primarily. The other player and official are said to have had PCR test results confirming they had Covid and multiple doctors references where as it seems Djokovic only had a reference from one doctor alongside with the letter Tennis Australia provided him with.At this point this seems like it is over. They are kicking people/players out who already got in. What I still don't understand if the rules were not followed for those people or if rules were changed. He wont play AO 2022. As a tennis fan of Novak Djokovic I am very dissapointed.
But can we say that right now Djokovic does not present a health risk to Australians?That's the risk every person who doesn't want to get vaccinated takes. Whether he gets that in Australia or somewhere else is immaterial.
What about Renata Voráčová? Did she also have only one reference?Just listened to the latest NCR pod on it and it seems like a feck up from Tennis Australia primarily. The other player and official are said to have had PCR test results confirming they had Covid and multiple doctors references where as it seems Djokovic only had a reference from one doctor alongside with the letter Tennis Australia provided him with.
Basically the rules probably weren't followed properly with the other two as they had more substantive evidence of a previous infection and no media attention.
Sorry, I might have! I’ll check again.@Mihajlovic you seem to have missed my reply?
Yes, I agree re. the concern for taking up medical resources.The reason the rule exists is because unvaccinated people in general are a higher risk to themselves and a higher risk to others. Why should someone come into the country and take up vital medical resources?
The risk in letting Djokovic in is that you are setting a precedent that the rule doesn’t apply to everyone equally. Why should he get special treatment because he’s a tennis star?
The risk to one individual matters way less than the risk to many. The issue here isn’t about his health as an individual it’s about him being a link in a chain of infections that ends up making many people sick.It’s just interesting to me that the actual risk is that he might get infected by another Australian during his stay in Melbourne.
Spot on. And Im sure @Mihajlovic knows this perfectly well.The risk to one individual matters way less than the risk to many. The issue here isn’t about his health as an individual it’s about him being a link in a chain of infections that ends up making many people sick.
As someone who has a track record of running his very own super spreader event very early in the pandemic that risk is higher than most.
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Has your exception been based on running a covid in the last six months?
Yes. But I had it before Christmas, at the last minute. Plus I had some medical indications. So I met all the criteria set by the Australian Union.
Can you tell me why you didn't get vaccinated?
I was busy. I planned it for weeks after the season and unfortunately ... Well, unfortunately now I actually caught a covid at that time. And there was no room for vaccinations, because I was to fly to Australia next week.
So you are not an opponent of vaccination?
No no. I'm not. Like Djokovic, I'm not completely against vaccination. As I say, our cases are very different.
What else does he mean when he says he is the son of man?Jesus never claims that he is the Lord, at least not in the synoptic gospels. Only John’s gospel mentions it but as we all know the author of John was trying to make a theological, not historical point, thus developing a distinct, high christology.
No. Bible classThis is still a tennis/things related to tennis thread, right?
Most people don't have visas cancelled on arrival because we comply with requirements but most countries cancel visas on arrival on a daily basis for people who don't e.g. can't provide paperwork for things they claim on their visa application, suspicion they are planning to work on a tourist visa or undeclared criminal.convictions. There is an Australian program about it.Even setting aside Djokovic, Australia's ridiculous hardline stance towards some of the immigrants need to be highlighted here.
But I thought Border officers diligently check every single piece of document for hours to re-litigate the visa again. Regardless of Novax fiasco, it is extremely poor how they have treated these players now. No major sporting tournament is held without sporting authorities consulting with the Govt. It could not have been hard to just make a single decision, communicate it early and then stick with it. Instead nonsensical leaks now about letters written between different parties etc.Tweet
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Just took a few questions of note in the article (using google translate)
A) No. Live vaccination antibodies drop over time aszthey do after vaccination assuming they occurred in the first place, as immunity from infection is far more variable.a) You need to get clued up, it doesn't matter how long ago he had it, he still retains a high level of immunity against it. b) it should be, having natural immunity should be a valid reason to be allowed in without vaccination, if not, then you aren't following the science.
This is how our shambles of a federal government operates. They hate Victoria for being a Labor state and for defying them with lockdowns. Their default approach is to say it is the states problem even when federal responsibility is involved. They have done this repeatedly during the pandemic. The suprise is that Victoria didn't expect it and that double check that state and federal entry requirements aligned.But I thought Border officers diligently check every single piece of document for hours to re-litigate the visa again. Regardless of Novax fiasco, it is extremely poor how they have treated these players now. No major sporting tournament is held without sporting authorities consulting with the Govt. It could not have been hard to just make a single decision, communicate it early and then stick with it. Instead nonsensical leaks now about letters written between different parties etc.
Rules weren't enforced and certainly haven't been changed. Federal border control messed up letting them in in the first place and now they look like they did a political backflip. #scottyfrommarketing brings his chaos yet again.At this point this seems like it is over. They are kicking people/players out who already got in. What I still don't understand if the rules were not followed for those people or if rules were changed. He wont play AO 2022. As a tennis fan of Novak Djokovic I am very dissapointed.
The Guardian said:Leaked documents to the Herald Sun suggested Tennis Australia had told players that a recent Covid-19 infection would be a reason for medical exemption from needing to be vaccinated, despite the federal government telling Tennis Australia that was not the case.
Not a chance. Demand for PCR tests is approx double the available capacity and rapid tests are a) expensive and b) almost impossible to get thanks to #scottyfrommarketing not listening to advice 6+ months ago and wanting his mates to maximise profits by only making them commercially available (at up to $30 per test).Are you saying the general public in Australia is not able to get tested every day?
safer by many orders of magnitude than not getting vaccinated especially as it isn't only an individual choice.And no, the vaccine is not perfectly safe. Ask Chardy.
Where is this coming from? People are getting re-infected now (including people who have tested positive once and received their 1-2 vaccines). His high level of immunity - whatever imaginary number that is - doesn't mean he will not be re-infected and then won't spread it further.a) You need to get clued up, it doesn't matter how long ago he had it, he still retains a high level of immunity against it. b) it should be, having natural immunity should be a valid reason to be allowed in without vaccination, if not, then you aren't following the science.
It will be again, once the non-Tennis fans head back to the COVID thread in the CE.This is still a tennis/things related to tennis thread, right?
He's no more likely to get it and spread it than the vaccinated people which makes him being banned ridiculous.Where is this coming from? People are getting re-infected now (including people who have tested positive once and received their 1-2 vaccines). His high level of immunity - whatever imaginary number that is - doesn't mean he will not be re-infected and then won't spread it further.
It was never about that. It is about conforming and sending the message. Vaccine was supposed to get us out of this pandemic but the rollout and the boosters seem to be lagging behind the variants that keep popping up. Also people blame unvaccinated for the pandemic still being around but I don't buy that. Half of my company had COVID in December and we are all vaccianted. Some even ended up in the hospital. Anyone who rejects the vaccine is treated as a selfish person who doesn't want to participate in this wonderful World. Djokovic went crazy before COVID. He claimed he cried for 2/3 days because he had to have an elbow surgery and that he felt immense "guilt" because he couldn't heal naturally. All those statements make him look as a crazy antivax lunatic, however he is a person that rejects modern medicine, but uses it when it serves him. Not a great look. There is nothing effing natural about his profession. Let's hit the ball over the net with amazingly engineering racquets. I swear, I want to take his racuqet and tell him to find one in the woods.He's no more likely to get it and spread it than the vaccinated people which makes him being banned ridiculous.
It should also be very simple to prove one way or the other. I got Covid a 2 or 3 days after he claims he did. I have a recovery certificate.So Novak states that he tested positive on 16th December, the same day he was attending an event organized by the Serbian Postal Service to give him a stamp bearing his name/face etc where, he was obviously not masked and shaking hands with people. He even posted about this event on his Instagram on the 17th of December, a day after he allegedly tested positive and yet he never chose to announce that he tested positive and everyone that met him at this event should isolate and get themselves tested? Sounds very unbelievable.
He also claims he submitted his visa application on 30th November under the exemption? Also, the deadline for applying for a medical exemption was 10th December and he claims to have caught it on the 16th? There is something very dodgy in the details.It should also be very simple to prove one way or the other. I got Covid a 2 or 3 days after he claims he did. I have a recovery certificate.
He should have the same and easily will be able to produce it if it’s true. Which you know, is what he should have did when he landed in Melbourne.
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