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I can't bring myself to watch cycling. Used to watch F1 religiously, but not watched a race since the 2009 season.
 
saivet said:
I can't bring myself to watch cycling. Used to watch F1 religiously, but not watched a race since the 2009 season.
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I used to watch pretty regularly as well but F1 feels like an empty husk these days.
 
Interesting comments from Roger on the new guys:

Every generation definitely is different. Since my generation and Rafa's generation, yes, the next one hasn't been strong enough to push all of us out really,' he said. 'So that has been helpful for us to stick around.'

According to the Swiss master, younger players have to learn different ways how to beat the established stars, and perhaps not try to get stuck in long rallies with them all the time.

'They can choose not to play that way, if the coach has taught them to play differently. I know you can easily get sucked into that mode when you don't want to attack, but if you can't volley you are not going to go to the net.

'Almost every player here I played wouldn't serve and volley, it's frightening to me, to see this at this level, I look at the stats and go into whatever round it is and see that the guy I'm going to face is playing two per cent of serve and volley throughout the championship.

'I'm going "okay, I know he's not going to serve and volley, which is great." Then we are talking about grass, and it was playing fast this week and I feel like I wish that we would see more coaches, more players taking chances up at net because good things do happen there, and you want to be there and have to spend some time up there to feel confident and good there.'
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saivet said:
I can't bring myself to watch cycling. Used to watch F1 religiously, but not watched a race since the 2009 season.
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Piratesoup said:
I used to watch pretty regularly as well but F1 feels like an empty husk these days.
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Same boat regarding F1 but this season has been the best one for years IMO.. definitely worth giving a shot again.
 
Enigma_87 said:
Interesting comments from Roger on the new guys:
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This is why speeding up surfaces must happen. Players need the incentives to be well rounded, otherwise the only thing they would be working on is their baseline game.

Also, coaches need to pick player who aren't so reliant on physical traits. If you towered at 6 ft. 5 inches your natural inclination would be a power game instead of a technical one. Raonic being wrong footed and completely unable to catch a slice at net the other day is a prime example.
 
How much of that is down to seeing guys like the big 4 and the way they play?

Coaches and players probably see them and think we better base our game on the way they play as that's what their aspiring too, rather than searching for their own style.
 
More from the same interview:

Roger Federer said:
“I do believe the depth in the men’s game is as great as it’s ever been but, because of the way they play, maybe not super-fast like they used to back in the 80s, the margins are bigger because of the surface speed, the ball speed and the racket technology. You have to hit a lot of good shots to come through a Murray or a Djokovic. Over five sets, it catches up with you and it’s favourable for the top guys.”

Federer also thinks the points system does not favour younger players. “Since my generation and Rafa’s generation, yes, the next one hasn’t been strong enough to push all of us out. A young guy, if he wants to make a breakthrough, he can beat me or any top player, but, if he doesn’t make a run to the final or win the tournament, he’s not making any move in the rankings.

“It’s not so easy to win five straight matches [in Masters and lower tournaments]. The consistency that’s required by the young generation is quite complex. Because of our different playing styles at the top – put Stan [Wawrinka] in there, put Cilic in there and then the big four – it’s hard for young guys to make a run through that.”

He added: “I grew up with bonus points, believe it or not, back in the 90s. I remember playing Pat Rafter on Suzanne Lenglen in Paris and I was playing for double points in grand slams. I think it was 45 to beat a player [ranked] between two and five. It was like 90 points just to beat Pat and then take the points of the round.

“Of course sometimes you couldn’t defend those points the following year, so it was complex. But it was great for a big-court player to play a big guy and beat him there.

“What I feel is a bit wrong in the rankings system is, if you have a great run and play a quarters, like Andy did, for instance, fought, loses in five sets, walks away with 360 points. I walk away with 2,000 points. I feel the gap’s too big. It’s only been like this since a few years. To win eight 250s to make up for a Slam, I find it too much.

“That’s why, by playing little and making so many points at slam level, it puts me in a totally different situation. I can really start picking and choosing my moments when to attack [the rankings].

“But it is how it is. The good thing is that the best player in the world should be the one winning the biggest tournaments. That’s an aspect I understand: that we have a lot of points in Masters 1000s, slams and then the World Tour Finals.”
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https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2...rer-hungover-tennis-next-generation-wimbledon
 
Enigma_87 said:
Interesting comments from Roger on the new guys:
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Hm. In the semi vs Berdych, I felt it was an inversion of the usual Fed v Nadal game. Berdych attacking the net and Federer deploying passing shots from both forehand and backhand.
 
NK86 said:
I have loads of friends and family working in the Valley. And those figures are crazy if you are being hired on roll. Maybe as an external consultant for a month or so but no way are they paying those numbers to their employees. No where close. And no way are they average.
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Some average software developer in Valley would make 100k/year (which is around the average salary). Consider 250 working days per year, 8 working hours per day, and you'll get 50 dollars per hour. Around 3 times less than MullerUtd.

Now a programming superstar (one who either has a deep knowledge of software development, operating systems, machine learning etc) will probably get around 250k/year including stocks working for a company like google or facebook. Per hour though, that would still be less than MullerUtd.

Essentially, MullerUtd is either Jeff Dean or a bullshitter.
 
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Revan said:
Some average software developer in Valley would make 100k/year (which is around the average salary). Consider 250 working days per year, 8 working hours per day, and you'll get 50 dollars per hour. Around 3 times less than MullerUtd.

Now a programming superstar (one who either has a deep knowledge of software development, operating systems, machine learning etc) will probably get around 250k/year including stocks working for a company like google or facebook. Per hour though, that would still be less than MullerUtd.

Essentially, MullerUtd is either Jeff Dean or a bullshitter.
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That's the thing. An average salary of 100k per annum is reasonable. To say the average software engineer Joe is getting about 180k per annum is silly.
 
NK86 said:
Upwork and Elance are all for freelance work and generally comprises of projects not taking more than a couple of months. Hence the high rates. If you are being hired on the company's payroll then those rates are not the same. It's mostly around the $50 which is the average. Obviously there are higher figures also but equally figures which are lower too.

Off topic so we can leave it at that.
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Revan said:
Some average software developer in Valley would make 100k/year (which is around the average salary). Consider 250 working days per year, 8 working hours per day, and you'll get 50 dollars per hour. Around 3 times less than MullerUtd.

Now a programming superstar (one who either has a deep knowledge of software development, operating systems, machine learning etc) will probably get around 250k/year including stocks working for a company like google or facebook. Per hour though, that would still be less than MullerUtd.

Essentially, MullerUtd is either Jeff Dean or a bullshitter.
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I was referring to a self-employed/independent contractor's rates rather than a full-time employee salary. Of course you aren't getting anywhere near $150/hr for the average full-time employee in the Valley for a software engineer. These are probably C Level executive management.

The average software engineer in the Silicon Valley earns $125k per annum, even an intern there earns up to $80k per annum but when you take into account of the cost of living, San Francisco is still one of the lower paying places for a software engineer in the states.
 
berbatrick said:
Hm. In the semi vs Berdych, I felt it was an inversion of the usual Fed v Nadal game. Berdych attacking the net and Federer deploying passing shots from both forehand and backhand.
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It also took him out of his comfort zone. Berdych did probably the best against Roger this year all things considered.

InfiniteBoredom said:
This is why speeding up surfaces must happen. Players need the incentives to be well rounded, otherwise the only thing they would be working on is their baseline game.

Also, coaches need to pick player who aren't so reliant on physical traits. If you towered at 6 ft. 5 inches your natural inclination would be a power game instead of a technical one. Raonic being wrong footed and completely unable to catch a slice at net the other day is a prime example.
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yeah indeed. Still homogenization of surfaces and slowing things down goes to teach mostly physical traits - most of the youngsters that are successful on tour are like that. It's harder to develop an all round game when you only go to the net to shake hands.

FCBarca said:
Definitely interesting comments. It speaks a bit to what I was trying to say in an earlier post
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yeah especially at Wimbey where the ball can stay low and the surface is fast those numbers are really surprising.
 
Federer cheating :lol: are teams cheating when they rest players in the league for a big European final/semi final? How about not bothering with the League Cup?
 
fecking hell, Nadal is a fecking tank.

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Very nice road to success for young Rublev at Umag Open. Lost in qualifications, but thanks to withdrawal of Borna Ćorić, got in as lucky loser, and eventually won the whole thing.
 
For the Federer fans in here The Tennis Podcast released a Federer special podcast. An interesting listen I thought.
 
Good decision by him.

Wouldn't be surprised if Murray does the same too.
 
A win for either one would be amazing. Wonder what ones return would have been for a bet at the start of the year on those two winning all slams.
 
Disappointing news. Probably going to be another boring and uncompetitive Slam.
 
Dyslexic Untied said:
A win for either one would be amazing. Wonder what ones return would have been for a bet at the start of the year on those two winning all slams.
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Was after the AO but I put money on Federer to win Wimbledon at 5/1 and Nadal to win the USO at 14/1.
 
wr8_utd said:
Disappointing news. Probably going to be another boring and uncompetitive Slam.
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:lol:

It falls to Nadal to make it competitive, and Stan/Cilic would have a say if they can as well.

I wonder if Fed can maintain his form throughout the tournament. He was jaded by the end of Miami so his battery life now is roughly 2-3 months, and that was with Masters. 2 consecutive weeks is a different animal this time (albeit not that different from back to back Masters)
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
:lol:

It falls to Nadal to make it competitive, and Stan/Cilic would have a say if they can as well.

I wonder if Fed can maintain his form throughout the tournament. He was jaded by the end of Miami so his battery life now is roughly 2-3 months, and that was with Masters. 2 consecutive weeks is a different animal this time (albeit not that different from back to back Masters)
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I think he might skip Montreal and focus on Cincy and the USO, that would ensure he has enough left in the tank for a deep run into the 2nd week.
 
Gutted that Nole is missing the US Open and he would not play again for the rest of the year but I guess it's a good thing for him. He needed this extended break to recuperate and come back stronger. I'm going to go for Rafael Nadal to win the US Open.
 
MullerUtd said:
Gutted that Nole is missing the US Open and he would not play again for the rest of the year but I guess it's a good thing for him. He needed this extended break to recuperate and come back stronger. I'm going to go for Rafael Nadal to win the US Open.
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How much are you putting on?
 
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