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I think calling Federer a coward is somewhat unfair. Federer is 36 next month; there is absolutely no way he can play 4 Grand Slams each year plus the 10 Masters tournaments. If Nadal were to pull out of Wimbledon in order to prepare better for the USO, I would have absolutely no problem with it, even as a Federer fan. Federer, Nadal and Djokovic have won 19, 15, and 12 Grand Slams respectively and what's more, they're all in their 30s; they have earned the right to pick and choose what tournaments they want to play on tour.
I find it extremely funny as an argument tbh. Since Federer won his first slam in 2003 and in 14-15 years in total he missed 3 slams at the age of 34/35 after he had an op last year.

Since Nadal for example won his first slam in 2005 he missed the grand total of 6 slams(never the French) and he just turned 30 last year.

Yet Federer is a coward somehow. :lol:

If you think you are good enough you enter the competition and no excuses should be made. If you are not good enough or you are carrying injury or trying to preserve your body - you shouldn't.
 
Only someone absurdly bitter and butthurt would call Federer or any of his rivals a coward. Despite being a Federer fan, I have a big admiration for Nadal and Djokovic and think they're a credit to tennis and sport in general. To think any of these wonderful champions and legends, are cowards said more about one who holds that opinion.

If Nadal skips a GS in the future for physical/tactical reasons then good for him. He would obviously be taking the decision he believes is best for him.
 
I find it extremely funny as an argument tbh. Since Federer won his first slam in 2003 and in 14-15 years in total he missed 3 slams at the age of 34/35 after he had an op last year..

It was a run of 65 consecutive GS until the French last year, so 17 years. This year makes 18.

Coward indeed.
 
I find it extremely funny as an argument tbh. Since Federer won his first slam in 2003 and in 14-15 years in total he missed 3 slams at the age of 34/35 after he had an op last year.

Since Nadal for example won his first slam in 2005 he missed the grand total of 6 slams(never the French) and he just turned 30 last year.

Yet Federer is a coward somehow. :lol:

If you think you are good enough you enter the competition and no excuses should be made. If you are not good enough or you are carrying injury or trying to preserve your body - you shouldn't.

Nadal never skipped a grand slam because he believed he could never win it. Otherwise he would have been wise to skip Wimbledon after playing no warm up.

Federer was due to play in some clay tournaments this year then pulled out probably after watching Rafa and then pulled out completely from the clay season.

You also failed to mention how twice Nadal nearly ruined his career by playing at the French when he was clearly injured. Should never have played at the French last year with his wrist injury and when he lost to Soderling he had knee issues.

And players do prioritise certain grand slams over others, so not sure why you bringing up Rafael has never missed any French opens. Federer last year did the exact same thing with Wimbledon when he should have given it a miss. Rafa will do the same at the French and show up even if he is not 100% just like Roger did at Wimbledon last year.
 
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I'm not sure what's so debatable or troll about this considering the average software engineer in the market charges $80 to $100 per hour. I've been programming since the age of 8 and I've turned down offers from Google and Facebook before so it's safe to say that I have a certain caliber of skill to be the best at what I do. Also the fact that you think a 24 year old cannot make this amount of money shows your ignorance.
You could be a brilliant programmer for all I know but those figures are outrageous and wrong. Where did you pull that out from?
 
I think calling Federer a coward is somewhat unfair. Federer is 36 next month; there is absolutely no way he can play 4 Grand Slams each year plus the 10 Masters tournaments. If Nadal were to pull out of Wimbledon in order to prepare better for the USO, I would have absolutely no problem with it, even as a Federer fan. Federer, Nadal and Djokovic have won 19, 15, and 12 Grand Slams respectively and what's more, they're all in their 30s; they have earned the right to pick and choose what tournaments they want to play on tour.

I find it extremely funny as an argument tbh. Since Federer won his first slam in 2003 and in 14-15 years in total he missed 3 slams at the age of 34/35 after he had an op last year.

Since Nadal for example won his first slam in 2005 he missed the grand total of 6 slams(never the French) and he just turned 30 last year.

Yet Federer is a coward somehow. :lol:

If you think you are good enough you enter the competition and no excuses should be made. If you are not good enough or you are carrying injury or trying to preserve your body - you shouldn't.

Only someone absurdly bitter and butthurt would call Federer or any of his rivals a coward. Despite being a Federer fan, I have a big admiration for Nadal and Djokovic and think they're a credit to tennis and sport in general. To think any of these wonderful champions and legends, are cowards said more about one who holds that opinion.

If Nadal skips a GS in the future for physical/tactical reasons then good for him. He would obviously be taking the decision he believes is best for him.

As an ATP professional tennis player, players must compete in the four Grand Slams, eight Masters 1000 events, and the ATP Finals. These are mandatory competitions. If Federer was injured, then I can't say anything but he wasn't. His reason for withdrawing from Roland Garros was because he wanted to prolong his longevity and aid his preparation for the grass and hard-court seasons which he would have a much better chance of winning. Fair play to him, he made the smart and correct decision seeing as he just dominated Wimbledon and won it in style at the age of 35. But for someone who's supposed to be GOAT and the legend of the tennis game, this is a discredit to Roland Garros and unfair to the other players. Even ex-pros like McEnroe have come out questioning Federer saying he would never do that, so it's not just me who feels this way. Because Federer is older than the other players, so he is allowed to skip a grand slam? That's not professional or ethical. Perhaps we have different views on this but that's just me, it's not right on principle.

If every other players started planning and strategizing their game plan/schedule like Federer. For example, grass is no doubt Nadal weakest surface so if he decides to skip Wimbledon next year to get ready for his favourite surface to boost his chances of winning there, this would end up as a disaster and a lack of respect for the tour. The whole idea of making certain events mandatory is to prevent players from doing just that. If players start to manipulate their schedules to gain an edge in their favourite events and skipping other events, this is a huge slap in the face of all other players. This messes up with fairness of competition and the tour credibility overall. Let's not forget that prior to the French Open, Federer has already took an extended break and missed lots of tournaments before winning the Australian Open. This not cool. There's no two ways about this. You are either a professional full-time tennis player or a part-time tennis player. You either play it, or you don't. Same for everyone. Of course, if there is injury, it can't be helped. But what Federer did was for his own personal convenience and benefit. This just shows he is a coward and lack a a code of conduct.
 
You could be a brilliant programmer for all I know but those figures are outrageous and wrong. Where did you pull that out from?
Outrageous and wrong? Go on Upwork or any other freelance programming websites and these are the rates most software engineers are charging on an hourly basis. I got this rate from among my network of programmers' peers. I guess it really depends on where you are from and the market/industry.
 
I find it extremely funny as an argument tbh. Since Federer won his first slam in 2003 and in 14-15 years in total he missed 3 slams at the age of 34/35 after he had an op last year.

Since Nadal for example won his first slam in 2005 he missed the grand total of 6 slams(never the French) and he just turned 30 last year.

Yet Federer is a coward somehow. :lol:

If you think you are good enough you enter the competition and no excuses should be made. If you are not good enough or you are carrying injury or trying to preserve your body - you shouldn't.
Completely agree. In all honesty, Federer owes no-one anything. That he continues to play and more importantly win at Grand Slams at the age of 35 is testament to his love of tennis. Sampras retired at 32 and you couldn't really have asked much more of him. TBF, you can't really expect tennis players to be playing at the age of 35. That Federer is doing so is something of a privilege and nobody is in a position to say that he is a coward for pulling out of a GS at the age of 35.
 
I remember Andre Agassi skipping Wimbledon for a couple of years because he didn't like the dress code. He also didn't play the Australian open for a long time despite once entering it being his most won grand slam. It wasn't that big of deal then and it isn't now for players to skip tournaments.
 
Outrageous and wrong? Go on Upwork or any other freelance programming websites and these are the rates most software engineers are charging on an hourly basis. I got this rate from among my network of programmers' peers. I guess it really depends on where you are from and the market/industry.
I have loads of friends and family working in the Valley. And those figures are crazy if you are being hired on roll. Maybe as an external consultant for a month or so but no way are they paying those numbers to their employees. No where close. And no way are they average.
 
Fair play to him, he made the smart and correct decision seeing as he just dominated Wimbledon and won it in style at the age of 35.
If he made the smart and correct decision, then why is he a coward?
 
At almost 36 and having had a knee op, missing tour events will enable him to play more tennis anyway so I don't think the tour can grumble too much if Federer doesn't want to risk his knee on clay.

I don't think Federer particularly owes tennis anything at this point anyway.
 
Completely agree. In all honesty, Federer owes no-one anything. That he continues to play and more importantly win at Grand Slams at the age of 35 is testament to his love of tennis. Sampras retired at 32 and you couldn't really have asked much more of him. TBF, you can't really expect tennis players to be playing at the age of 35. That Federer is doing so is something of a privilege and nobody is in a position to say that he is a coward for pulling out of a GS at the age of 35.
Because he is Roger Federer so he gets a free pass and so much lee-way. Stop making excuses for him. If Djokovic did the same thing, I'd criticize him and this is coming from someone who knows him personally. Federer did not just miss Roland Garros, he missed the entire clay season to prioritize for his grass season. This is what I meant by him nit-picking. So he probably discussed with his team - "Guys, forget about clay, I have months to prepare for grass and hard-court.". Considering how tennis at the highest level is such a physically demanding sport with a hectic schedule, with players having little to no time to adjust from clay to grass, what Federer did is borderline cheating.
 
Because he is Roger Federer so he gets a free pass and so much lee-way. Stop making excuses for him. If Djokovic did the same thing, I'd criticize him and this is coming from someone who knows him personally. Federer did not just miss Roland Garros, he missed the entire clay season to prioritize for his grass season. This is what I meant by him nit-picking. So he probably discussed with his team - "Guys, forget about clay, I have months to prepare for grass and hard-court.". Considering how tennis at the highest level is such a physically demanding sport with a hectic schedule, with players having little to no time to adjust from clay to grass, what Federer did is borderline cheating.

:lol: Some of the info you've given about yourself is hard to believe.
 
I have loads of friends and family working in the Valley. And those figures are crazy if you are being hired on roll. Maybe as an external consultant for a month or so but no way are they paying those numbers to their employees. No where close. And no way are they average.
That's weird because the people I know who are working in the Valley charge the highest fee in my circle and these are average quotes. Just to give you some perspective, I was an angel investor for a mobile app start-up four years ago and I was sourcing for developers in the Valley and the cheapest rates I got was $150 an hour. I had a tight budget then so I turned to the South-East Asian and Eastern European market as the developers here are much cheaper. American programmers are the most expensive.

Here you can find the rates on Upwork.

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If he made the smart and correct decision, then why is he a coward?
He made a smart and correct decision in his personal capacity yes, seeing as he just won Wimbledon so his decision to skip Roland Garros was right but this doesn't take away his cowardice if that makes sense.
 
Guys don't take this off topic with talk of computer programming rates or whatever. This thread is mad enough as it is right now! Ta.
 
:lol: Some of the info you've given about yourself is hard to believe.
I've done work for Nole before, I know his publicist who is actually his cousin and she runs the biggest digital marketing agency in Belgrade so she outsources projects to me from them time to time. I wish I can explain more about this but let's not derail this thread and this is also pretty confidential and sensitive from my end.
 
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As an ATP professional tennis player, players must compete in the four Grand Slams, eight Masters 1000 events, and the ATP Finals. These are mandatory competitions. If Federer was injured, then I can't say anything but he wasn't. His reason for withdrawing from Roland Garros was because he wanted to prolong his longevity and aid his preparation for the grass and hard-court seasons which he would have a much better chance of winning. Fair play to him, he made the smart and correct decision seeing as he just dominated Wimbledon and won it in style at the age of 35. But for someone who's supposed to be GOAT and the legend of the tennis game, this is a discredit to Roland Garros and unfair to the other players. Even ex-pros like McEnroe have come out questioning Federer saying he would never do that, so it's not just me who feels this way. Because Federer is older than the other players, so he is allowed to skip a grand slam? That's not professional or ethical. Perhaps we have different views on this but that's just me, it's not right on principle.

There`s no MUST. Players compete in those competitions because they are after points so they can have a better ranking. They want to be world`s number 1 as long as they can so they have to get points as much as they can. Federer is 36, he doesn`t need to be world`s number 1 anymore so skips tournaments, it`s just simple as that.
 
Because he is Roger Federer so he gets a free pass and so much lee-way. Stop making excuses for him. If Djokovic did the same thing, I'd criticize him and this is coming from someone who knows him personally. Federer did not just miss Roland Garros, he missed the entire clay season to prioritize for his grass season. This is what I meant by him nit-picking. So he probably discussed with his team - "Guys, forget about clay, I have months to prepare for grass and hard-court.". Considering how tennis at the highest level is such a physically demanding sport with a hectic schedule, with players having little to no time to adjust from clay to grass, what Federer did is borderline cheating.
Borderline cheating? Give me a break. Federer is more than five years older than Djokovic; there is no way on earth that Federer can play every single GS and Masters tournament. If he can't play every single ATP 1000 event or GS, then it makes sense to pick and choose the events which give him the best chance of winning. I don't think I'd call that cheating to be fair. If Djokovic is 35 and has 18/19 GS titles to his name, then by all means he should have the right to do the same as Federer is doing so. But then again, that's a big if.
 
Because he is Roger Federer so he gets a free pass and so much lee-way. Stop making excuses for him. If Djokovic did the same thing, I'd criticize him and this is coming from someone who knows him personally. Federer did not just miss Roland Garros, he missed the entire clay season to prioritize for his grass season. This is what I meant by him nit-picking. So he probably discussed with his team - "Guys, forget about clay, I have months to prepare for grass and hard-court.". Considering how tennis at the highest level is such a physically demanding sport with a hectic schedule, with players having little to no time to adjust from clay to grass, what Federer did is borderline cheating.
:lol: Stocking stuff. I don't know how on earth this guy made it up.
 
That's weird because the people I know who are working in the Valley charge the highest fee in my circle and these are average quotes. Just to give you some perspective, I was an angel investor for a mobile app start-up four years ago and I was sourcing for developers in the Valley and the cheapest rates I got was $150 an hour. I had a tight budget then so I turned to the South-East Asian and Eastern European market as the developers here are much cheaper. American programmers are the most expensive.

Here you can find the rates on Upwork.

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Upwork and Elance are all for freelance work and generally comprises of projects not taking more than a couple of months. Hence the high rates. If you are being hired on the company's payroll then those rates are not the same. It's mostly around the $50 which is the average. Obviously there are higher figures also but equally figures which are lower too.

Off topic so we can leave it at that.
 
Nadal never skipped a grand slam because he believed he could never win it. Otherwise he would have been wise to skip Wimbledon after playing no warm up.

Federer was due to play in some clay tournaments this year then pulled out probably after watching Rafa and then pulled out completely from the clay season.

You also failed to mention how twice Nadal nearly ruined his career by playing at the French when he was clearly injured. Should never have played at the French last year with his wrist injury and when he lost to Soderling he had knee issues.

And players do prioritise certain grand slams over others, so not sure why you bringing up Rafael has never missed any French opens. Federer last year did the exact same thing with Wimbledon when he should have given it a miss. Rafa will do the same at the French and show up even if he is not 100% just like Roger did at Wimbledon last year.
Federer had an op last year mate. He said that clay could aggravate his knee more. Why play the clay event when he can injure himself and end his season?

Rafa missed events to come right back for the next one I have no issue. I was responding to Muller for his ridiculous claim.

It is not winning/losing but rather taking care of his body. Federer lost numerous times to Nadal and then beat him again in the second part of the season. Do you think another loss at 36 makes a difference phychologically to him?
 
There`s no MUST. Players compete in those competitions because they are after points so they can have a better ranking. They want to be world`s number 1 as long as they can so they have to get points as much as they can. Federer is 36, he doesn`t need to be world`s number 1 anymore so skips tournaments, it`s just simple as that.

There are some obligations I believe, but Federer is too old for that shit, so he's excused anyway. :cool:

600 matches
12 years on tour
31 years of age

Could be just for Masters, not sure. Was posted about it in the thread before.
 
Because he is Roger Federer so he gets a free pass and so much lee-way. Stop making excuses for him. If Djokovic did the same thing, I'd criticize him and this is coming from someone who knows him personally. Federer did not just miss Roland Garros, he missed the entire clay season to prioritize for his grass season. This is what I meant by him nit-picking. So he probably discussed with his team - "Guys, forget about clay, I have months to prepare for grass and hard-court.". Considering how tennis at the highest level is such a physically demanding sport with a hectic schedule, with players having little to no time to adjust from clay to grass, what Federer did is borderline cheating.
Did Fed and Nadal cheat to take time off to recover last season? Also, just the other day Berdych said if he had taken time off like Federer he would never be able to compete at that level. I know whose opinion is more valuable and valid here.

Your hatred for Federer is bizarre.
 
This thread lol. Breakdowns galore.

Bit of a damp squid of a final - similar to French really, as impressive as both wins were by them, doing it without losing sets kinda hurts it too.
 
As an ATP professional tennis player, players must compete in the four Grand Slams, eight Masters 1000 events, and the ATP Finals. These are mandatory competitions. If Federer was injured, then I can't say anything but he wasn't. His reason for withdrawing from Roland Garros was because he wanted to prolong his longevity and aid his preparation for the grass and hard-court seasons which he would have a much better chance of winning. Fair play to him, he made the smart and correct decision seeing as he just dominated Wimbledon and won it in style at the age of 35. But for someone who's supposed to be GOAT and the legend of the tennis game, this is a discredit to Roland Garros and unfair to the other players. Even ex-pros like McEnroe have come out questioning Federer saying he would never do that, so it's not just me who feels this way. Because Federer is older than the other players, so he is allowed to skip a grand slam? That's not professional or ethical. Perhaps we have different views on this but that's just me, it's not right on principle.

If every other players started planning and strategizing their game plan/schedule like Federer. For example, grass is no doubt Nadal weakest surface so if he decides to skip Wimbledon next year to get ready for his favourite surface to boost his chances of winning there, this would end up as a disaster and a lack of respect for the tour. The whole idea of making certain events mandatory is to prevent players from doing just that. If players start to manipulate their schedules to gain an edge in their favourite events and skipping other events, this is a huge slap in the face of all other players. This messes up with fairness of competition and the tour credibility overall. Let's not forget that prior to the French Open, Federer has already took an extended break and missed lots of tournaments before winning the Australian Open. This not cool. There's no two ways about this. You are either a professional full-time tennis player or a part-time tennis player. You either play it, or you don't. Same for everyone. Of course, if there is injury, it can't be helped. But what Federer did was for his own personal convenience and benefit. This just shows he is a coward and lack a a code of conduct.

You are talking bollocks mate. For starters you should check the ATP official rulebook and point 1.08.

If you are older than 31, have played more than 600 matches and have more than 12 years of service at the ATP you are required to play ZERO masters tournaments. There is simply no mandatory tournament for you. Federer has completed the three long time ago.
 
Would people be happy if Federer just showed up at RG and lost first/second round? Basically wasting everyones time, but you know showing up? Oh and he'd gain marginal points too. Win-win-win for Fed.
 
You are talking bollocks mate. For starters you should check the ATP official rulebook and point 1.08.

If you are older than 31, have played more than 600 matches and have more than 12 years of service at the ATP you are required to play ZERO masters tournaments. There is simply no mandatory tournament for you. Federer has completed the three long time ago.

Forget about playing Federer has won almost double that :lol:
 
Because he is Roger Federer so he gets a free pass and so much lee-way. Stop making excuses for him. If Djokovic did the same thing, I'd criticize him and this is coming from someone who knows him personally. Federer did not just miss Roland Garros, he missed the entire clay season to prioritize for his grass season. This is what I meant by him nit-picking. So he probably discussed with his team - "Guys, forget about clay, I have months to prepare for grass and hard-court.". Considering how tennis at the highest level is such a physically demanding sport with a hectic schedule, with players having little to no time to adjust from clay to grass, what Federer did is borderline cheating.


:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:. The entire post is woeful but the cheating part is hilarious. I think Federer should probably be banned for missing a tournament.
 
Because he is Roger Federer so he gets a free pass and so much lee-way. Stop making excuses for him. If Djokovic did the same thing, I'd criticize him and this is coming from someone who knows him personally. Federer did not just miss Roland Garros, he missed the entire clay season to prioritize for his grass season. This is what I meant by him nit-picking. So he probably discussed with his team - "Guys, forget about clay, I have months to prepare for grass and hard-court.". Considering how tennis at the highest level is such a physically demanding sport with a hectic schedule, with players having little to no time to adjust from clay to grass, what Federer did is borderline cheating.

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Would people be happy if Federer just showed up at RG and lost first/second round? Basically wasting everyones time, but you know showing up? Oh and he'd gain marginal points too. Win-win-win for Fed.
If he ended up winning the whole thing and Rafa was eliminated before the finals the competition would be crap you know. The man simply can't win :)
 
Borderline cheating? Give me a break. Federer is more than five years older than Djokovic; there is no way on earth that Federer can play every single GS and Masters tournament. If he can't play every single ATP 1000 event or GS, then it makes sense to pick and choose the events which give him the best chance of winning. I don't think I'd call that cheating to be fair. If Djokovic is 35 and has 18/19 GS titles to his name, then by all means he should have the right to do the same as Federer is doing so. But then again, that's a big if.
If Djokovic has done that, I'd have called him out for it as well. The fact remains that Federer skipped the entire clay season - 3 masters and Roland Garros, without injury. And he did that because he wants to win Wimbledon, a slam he hasn't won since 2012. While he is practicing, his rivals are competing which is a disadvantage to them.
 
As an ATP professional tennis player, players must compete in the four Grand Slams, eight Masters 1000 events, and the ATP Finals. These are mandatory competitions. If Federer was injured, then I can't say anything but he wasn't. His reason for withdrawing from Roland Garros was because he wanted to prolong his longevity and aid his preparation for the grass and hard-court seasons which he would have a much better chance of winning. Fair play to him, he made the smart and correct decision seeing as he just dominated Wimbledon and won it in style at the age of 35. But for someone who's supposed to be GOAT and the legend of the tennis game, this is a discredit to Roland Garros and unfair to the other players. Even ex-pros like McEnroe have come out questioning Federer saying he would never do that, so it's not just me who feels this way. Because Federer is older than the other players, so he is allowed to skip a grand slam? That's not professional or ethical. Perhaps we have different views on this but that's just me, it's not right on principle.

If every other players started planning and strategizing their game plan/schedule like Federer. For example, grass is no doubt Nadal weakest surface so if he decides to skip Wimbledon next year to get ready for his favourite surface to boost his chances of winning there, this would end up as a disaster and a lack of respect for the tour. The whole idea of making certain events mandatory is to prevent players from doing just that. If players start to manipulate their schedules to gain an edge in their favourite events and skipping other events, this is a huge slap in the face of all other players. This messes up with fairness of competition and the tour credibility overall. Let's not forget that prior to the French Open, Federer has already took an extended break and missed lots of tournaments before winning the Australian Open. This not cool. There's no two ways about this. You are either a professional full-time tennis player or a part-time tennis player. You either play it, or you don't. Same for everyone. Of course, if there is injury, it can't be helped. But what Federer did was for his own personal convenience and benefit. This just shows he is a coward and lack a a code of conduct.
Early nomination for worst post of the year. That's a shocker.
 
If Djokovic has done that, I'd have called him out for it as well. The fact remains that Federer skipped the entire clay season - 3 masters and Roland Garros, without injury. And he did that because he wants to win Wimbledon, a slam he hasn't won since 2012. While he is practicing, his rivals are competing which is a disadvantage to them.

Not playing can mean lack of match practice and therefore be a disadvantage. It just depends which way you look at it.
 
If Djokovic has done that, I'd have called him out for it as well. The fact remains that Federer skipped the entire clay season - 3 masters and Roland Garros, without injury. And he did that because he wants to win Wimbledon, a slam he hasn't won since 2012. While he is practicing, his rivals are competing which is a disadvantage to them.
When it's so easy then why not many players do that?

Don't you think it's even harder missing months off pro tour and coming back winning a slam
 
If Djokovic has done that, I'd have called him out for it as well. The fact remains that Federer skipped the entire clay season - 3 masters and Roland Garros, without injury. And he did that because he wants to win Wimbledon, a slam he hasn't won since 2012. While he is practicing, his rivals are competing which is a disadvantage to them.
I'll agree to disagree; I don't think there's any way possible for us to come to the same conclusion on this issue.
 
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