Well at least wine and gravy could go together, maybe he will mix them into a lovely red wine gravy. Yum.
Telegraph Investigation: England Manager Sam Allardyce For Sale | Big Sam leaves England job
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Well at least wine and gravy could go together, maybe he will mix them into a lovely red wine gravy. Yum.
This is a very 'England' thing to do, tbf. Bring in one of the safest pairs of hands in the business and, a month later, he's conspiring with journos to circumvent his own football association's rule, making fun of the previous manager's speech impediment and denouncing the entire taxation system.
The FA have been presented a golden opportunity to undo their latest blunder in record time, they should take it.
He's the Poundland Trump.
The question is, why did these reporters target Sam Allardyce? Did they have information that we don't know about? Or is it that they try these stunts on other managers too and this one just stuck?
I think comparing Sam Allardyce to Donald Trump is a tad excessive. Just a tad.
it really is so typical.Interesting article in The Times about this that pretty much summed up my first reaction to the video in the Telegraph: http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/s...ut-loose-talk-is-no-sacking-offence-vbg5jbpt5
It's behind a paywall, but here's a few extracts:
He told these “Far East businessmen” how third-party ownership rules can be circumvented. He said those rules are stupid. Unwise? Yes. Imprudent? Yes. Worrying? A little, yes, although an awful lot of people in football would say the same.
● He said he would be interested in a £400,000 deal to travel to Hong Kong and Singapore as an “ambassador” for this football agency. He made it abundantly clear that he would have to get any such deal cleared by the FA before it happened. So was he going behind their back? No. If he had gone to them with such a proposal, they would (rightly) have told him not to be so stupid/naïve. Stupidity/naivety, of that type, is not a sackable offence.
● Buried in that Telegraph article are comments from Allardyce dismissing the “bung” culture. “You daren’t even think about it”, “You can’t go there any more”, “You can’t pay a player, you can’t pay a manager, you can’t pay a CEO”, “It used to happen 20-odd, 30-odd years ago”. Given that one of the Telegraph’s aims was probably to get him talking candidly about the bung culture, as he did in that (in)famous Panorama investigation a decade ago, this seems like a fairly firm dismissal of that culture. I can only imagine they spent much of the four hours trying to get him to say something unwise about this – and he didn’t.
● The comments about Roy Hodgson, Gary Neville and the England team might seem titillating, but they are irrelevant to any discussion about his position or any sanctions.
● As for the comments about the FA’s (commercial) priorities, and about Wembley, it’s not good to be seen or heard criticising your employer, but those comments are embarrassing/uncomfortable rather than disgraceful. Most of us would agree with him.
It looks like he is been a bit daft, but I didn't really see anything incriminating in the video, and The Telegraph also seem to have twisted what happened a little bit too to sensationalise what was said. I guess he will be sacked anyway, but thought this was an interesting alternative perspective.
It's behind a paywall, but here's a few extracts:
He told these “Far East businessmen” how third-party ownership rules can be circumvented. He said those rules are stupid. Unwise? Yes. Imprudent? Yes. Worrying? A little, yes, although an awful lot of people in football would say the same.
● He said he would be interested in a £400,000 deal to travel to Hong Kong and Singapore as an “ambassador” for this football agency. He made it abundantly clear that he would have to get any such deal cleared by the FA before it happened. So was he going behind their back? No. If he had gone to them with such a proposal, they would (rightly) have told him not to be so stupid/naïve. Stupidity/naivety, of that type, is not a sackable offence.
● Buried in that Telegraph article are comments from Allardyce dismissing the “bung” culture. “You daren’t even think about it”, “You can’t go there any more”, “You can’t pay a player, you can’t pay a manager, you can’t pay a CEO”, “It used to happen 20-odd, 30-odd years ago”. Given that one of the Telegraph’s aims was probably to get him talking candidly about the bung culture, as he did in that (in)famous Panorama investigation a decade ago, this seems like a fairly firm dismissal of that culture. I can only imagine they spent much of the four hours trying to get him to say something unwise about this – and he didn’t.
● The comments about Roy Hodgson, Gary Neville and the England team might seem titillating, but they are irrelevant to any discussion about his position or any sanctions.
● As for the comments about the FA’s (commercial) priorities, and about Wembley, it’s not good to be seen or heard criticising your employer, but those comments are embarrassing/uncomfortable rather than disgraceful. Most of us would agree with him.
It looks like he is been a bit daft, but I didn't really see anything incriminating in the video, and The Telegraph also seem to have twisted what happened a little bit too to sensationalise what was said. I guess he will be sacked anyway, but thought this was an interesting alternative perspective.
Seems like the investigation into corruption in English football came first, but once you've started the investigation it makes sense to target someone who has been linked with it in the past, especially when they've just been announced as England manager.
Allardayce > Don Revie
He may not have done a sackable offence but I can't see how he can push forward at this point and be taken seriously. His CV was already weak enough, its now backed by his attitude
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I don't think he's done enough to get the sack but I'm not in the slightest bit bothered if he does.
I don't see how he can keep the job - the public perception, right or wrong, will be that he's crooked.
Exactly. If they sack him it will be for bringing the FA into disrepute, making his position untenable, but the individual charges themselves are not serious enough for him to lose his job.
Who the hell do you hire now?
Agreed, I think it's a difficult position for the FA - but whatever the outcome, it seems to be a PR issue rather than the corruption that the early reports implied.
What a fecking twat.
Always disliked this man.
Always disliked this man.
There is that too
Who the hell do you hire now?
I'd go for Mancini. Managed in England before, and in a team full of egoists like Man City. Would be a great fit for England
Who the hell do you hire now?
I agree, on both points.
I'm more worried about Bebé returning to haunt us.
I'm fine with England being shit. Let's at least make it fun and have a laugh though. We should hire Ricky Tomlinson, or Ricky Gervais*
*Must at all times be in character as David Brent
*Must at all times be in character as David Brent
I think if it was any of the big ones they'd have led with that.
He basically told them one could pay a player to have the right to represent him and profit from future transfers (Thereby circumventing the rules about 3rd party ownership). How is that not a sackable offense? It's the FA's top employee telling some "investors" how to get around the FA...
"If a Harry craps in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"
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"Wayne played wherever he wanted to. He did play a little deeper than I thought he'd play... It's not for me to say where he's going to play."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37271746
It is your job to tell him where to play. You're his boss. At the moment anyway.
But doesn't the video / article go on to say that he was not advising them how to get around those rules, just stating that's what some people did? As far as I understand, he was actually there with a group of people he thought were legit and wanted him to do speeches and stuff in Asia; they weren't purporting to be criminals, and he wasn't 'advising' them as such. His comments were ill advised bearing in mind his role, but the Telegraph article is twisting the context of what he said.
Hard to find 6 English managers these days.
Pearson has suddenly been suspended by Derby... I wonder...
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Guardian:
Pretty sure 99% of the people involved will be British anyway.
Looks like Nigel Pearson is involved. I would imagine Pardew, Redknapp and Sherwood are probably in the mix. They might even have Pulis in there.
Pulis is Welsh, though I guess he could be one of the other two.
Fergie?
Maybe I'm just naive or morally bankrupt but what exactly has Big Sam done wrong here? I completely agree with everything he's said. Sacking him would allow the FA to save face by making him the scapegoat and deflecting attention from the problems that exist throughout their own organization. Real shame really. You have to feel for the man. He's not the answer for England's football problems but he's waited his whole life for this job and deserves a shot
Who the hell do you hire now?
Southgate as temporary manager.