Sunderland bid £12m for O'Shea, Gibson & Brown

Are they still away on holiday?
A lot of players are returned this last week, but the season for United ended a week later. Maybe they'll finalize it in the next few days..
or maybe they are waiting for a better club.. All 3 can do better than Sunderland in all honesty.
 
Gibson is an average footballer and a club like Sunderland is probably the best thing for the lad. He wasn't, and never will be, good enough to start for Manchester United when we have our strongest XI out. He's an honest lad with a decent right peg and works hard but obviously Sir Alex feels it's best to let him go. Ferguson's track record of moving players on, is second to none and at 24 he obviously feels the likes of Cleverley will offer more in the long term.

Hopefully it means that we are close to signing someone that can play in the middle of the park.
 
Sunderland will have a bargain if they sign one of them, let alone all three. We always let our players leave on the cheap if they've been with us for a few years and it's to both parties benefit if the players leave the club.

Might not make much business sense, but than again, Fergie always puts the benefit of the players above money.
 
If an 18 year old striker who plays in the lower division for Ipswich and scored only 8 league goals after playing a full season is deemed worth £13m by Sunderland, and they also thought Henderson was worth £20m. Surely Gibson, O'Shea & Brown are worth more then £12m.
 
Baby Faced Assassin said:
If an 18 year old striker who plays in the lower division for Ipswich and scored only 8 league goals after playing a full season is deemed worth £13m by Sunderland, and they also thought Henderson was worth £20m. Surely Gibson, O'Shea & Brown are worth more then £12m.
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Bigger wages
Contracts up sooner
No position to demand fees as they're unwanted players
Ages of 2 of them

All adds up.
 
Baby Faced Assassin said:
If an 18 year old striker who plays in the lower division for Ipswich and scored only 8 league goals after playing a full season is deemed worth £13m by Sunderland, and they also thought Henderson was worth £20m. Surely Gibson, O'Shea & Brown are worth more then £12m.
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They may have got wind of the fact (via agents, intermediates etc...) that United wanted rid of them and thus knew that a lower bid would be accepted.
 
StanleyCupboard said:
Bigger wages
Contracts up sooner
No position to demand fees as they're unwanted players
Ages of 2 of them

All adds up.
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Garethw said:
They may have got wind of the fact (via agents, intermediates etc...) that United wanted rid of them and thus knew that a lower bid would be accepted.
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Still, Brown & O'Shea are European Cup winners for FFS. Gibson scored in the semis of the EC. The three of them are not worth £4m each. I would say £7m each.
 
Baby Faced Assassin said:
Still, Brown & O'Shea are European Cup winners for FFS. Gibson scored in the semis of the EC. The three of them are not worth £4m each. I would say £7m each.
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Bobby Charlton is a European Cup winner, whats his transfer value at the moment?

Brown, is 31 and has had a few average seasons, and is in the last year of his contract. You have to take other factors into account, rather than looking at historic success.
 
Baby Faced Assassin said:
Still, Brown & O'Shea are European Cup winners for FFS. Gibson scored in the semis of the EC. The three of them are not worth £4m each. I would say £7m each.
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When unproven 19/20 year olds are going for £16M to £20M, I would have thought Gibson who has proven himself at United, on the basis that when he was getting regular games & stopped hooffing the ball into row Z at every opportunity, and is a few years older should be in that territory too, or not far away anyway.
 
Baby Faced Assassin said:
Still, Brown & O'Shea are European Cup winners for FFS. Gibson scored in the semis of the EC. The three of them are not worth £4m each. I would say £7m each.
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Why should Sunderland (or anyone outside of their mam's circle of friends) care that they are European Cup winners? Doesn't make them better players, just shows they were on a better team.

Brown has done nothing in two years except get injured. O'Shea is always consistent, but isn't world class. And Gibson, beyond one game and a couple shots, has shown no promise of being world class. The three are solid players, but nothing more and all three are on fat salaries.

It's a good deal for both sides.
 
We are probably more concerned with cutting the wage bill and being sorted for the FPP and squad limit than squeezing a couple of extra mil out of Sunderland. I do agree that they should be worth more than £12m combined though
 
davisjw said:
Why should Sunderland (or anyone outside of their mam's circle of friends) care that they are European Cup winners? Doesn't make them better players, just shows they were on a better team.

Brown has done nothing in two years except get injured. O'Shea is always consistent, but isn't world class. And Gibson, beyond one game and a couple shots, has shown no promise of being world class. The three are solid players, but nothing more and all three are on fat salaries.

It's a good deal for both sides.
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Their experience of playing in Europe alone would add a lot to the Sunderland dressing room in various situations throughout the season not to mention them (players in question) going the whole way & winning silverware in Europe. Don't underrate the value of their experience, particularly Brown & O'Shea, they've done it all.
 
Brown worth £7m, Gibson between £16m and £20m, some crazy shit here. If Gibson is worth £16m let alone £20m then our new midfielder is going to cost £1bn.
 
davisjw said:
Why should Sunderland (or anyone outside of their mam's circle of friends) care that they are European Cup winners? Doesn't make them better players, just shows they were on a better team.

Brown has done nothing in two years except get injured. O'Shea is always consistent, but isn't world class. And Gibson, beyond one game and a couple shots, has shown no promise of being world class. The three are solid players, but nothing more and all three are on fat salaries.

It's a good deal for both sides.
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A sensible post. The mere fact that someone has played in Europe isn't exactly relevant for someone like Sunderland. I think the dressing room presence of O'Shea/Brown would be a benefit for Sunderland, but this is weighed with the higher wages they would command than, say Henderson/Wickham.
 
A fair price for Gibson is like 3-3,4m. O'Shea is like 4-5m all due to his CV. Brown is the one that I value highest with a potential transfer fee of 5m.

We're never looking to make big bucks on these small deals that we seal. It's more about giving something back to the other teams - like some sort of goodwill.
 
Successful said:
A fair price for Gibson is like 3-3,4m. O'Shea is like 4-5m all due to his CV. Brown is the one that I value highest with a potential transfer fee of 5m.

We're never looking to make big bucks on these small deals that we seal. It's more about giving something back to the other teams - like some sort of goodwill.
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Brown more expensive than O'Shea ... erm isn't O'Shea on the bench and in the team more often?

:lol:

Heard Harry Redknapp's made a £7m bid for Michael Carrick, so we may be seeing some massive changing of the guard here.
 
I dont care about how much we get for them as long as they go to a good club.
 
Successful said:
A fair price for Gibson is like 3-3,4m. O'Shea is like 4-5m all due to his CV. Brown is the one that I value highest with a potential transfer fee of 5m.

We're never looking to make big bucks on these small deals that we seal. It's more about giving something back to the other teams - like some sort of goodwill.
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Brown at £5million? Hes 32 early next season and in the last year of his contract.. plus he hasn't played that much or that well for a while.. if he plays for 3 more seasons on £3million a year contract, would you really commit £14million for Wes Brown over 3 seasons??
 
I can't see us letting O'Shea go just yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if the other two make the switch. If Sunderland are to get all three, I think they'd have to offer closer to £16million, if not more, to get them. I love Wes Brown and wish he'd been fit enough to feature more recently, but if Sunderland offered about £10m for him and Gibson combined, I'd be happy enough really. I'd rather O'Shea didn't go, but he'd have to be more expensive than Brown or Gibson if he were to leave.
 
I think Wesley Browns value is quite low. Maximum £2-3m with his injury record.

Big John is a different animal.

Nearly everybody who knows this game respects Sheasy. Model professional with a great attitude. Played against the very best and had never let his team down. Rock solid 24/7 and a character you can rely on when the boat is rocking . JOS has probably a couple of good season's in him and his versatility is useful to every team. Between £4-6m is a fair price for our favorite lad.

The tricky one is Gibbo.

Since KK paid top dollar for a young middle distance runner the transfer marker is upside down. Who would had thought that a few weeks ago. Normally I'm critical to young Gibson but I have to admit that he's at least on par with Henderson. Stabil and a good passer and just a few years older. Let's say somewhere around £8-12m, all depending on how many clubs who are interested.

The stumble block can be their wages. It's hard for a mid table team to match United's salary level.
 
Successful said:
A fair price for Gibson is like 3-3,4m. O'Shea is like 4-5m all due to his CV. Brown is the one that I value highest with a potential transfer fee of 5m.

We're never looking to make big bucks on these small deals that we seal. It's more about giving something back to the other teams - like some sort of goodwill.
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I love Wes and rate him higher than O'Shea when fit, but he's a crock and two years older. £2m tops.

Gibson's 22/23 has a decent amount of experience and judging the price similar players of a similar age go for, I'd rate him at at least £6m. O'Shea about £4m considering age and ability.
 
The Black Pearl said:
Their experience of playing in Europe alone would add a lot to the Sunderland dressing room in various situations throughout the season not to mention them (players in question) going the whole way & winning silverware in Europe. That's why Sunderland should care. Don't underrate the value of their experience, particularly Brown & O'Shea, they've done it all.
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Call me naive, but I don't honestly see it as being that important. Sunderland already have some on their books with European experience. Also, those three are not leaders out on the pitch so to imagine they'll be leaders in the locker room is asking a lot. Sunderland are also not in Europe so that experience playing away in Europe is meaningless for them. Finally, none of those three were intricate parts of the winning teams so that won't add value.

I truly think people are way over pricing some of our players.
 
We did get £7 million for Richardson, I think its very fair to say Gibson is worth more than £5 million.

His game has improved a lot over the past couple of seasons and he's going to be a regular goalscorer for whatever team he is playing for
 
Ekeke said:
We did get £7 million for Richardson, I think its very fair to say Gibson is worth more than £5 million.

His game has improved a lot over the past couple of seasons and he's going to be a regular goalscorer for whatever team he is playing for
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Last year of his deal though. You'd take £4-5m.
 
Ekeke said:
We did get £7 million for Richardson, I think its very fair to say Gibson is worth more than £5 million.

His game has improved a lot over the past couple of seasons and he's going to be a regular goalscorer for whatever team he is playing for
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the richardson transfer was a weird one

we were fortunate that roy keane's transfer policy mainly involved buying players who had played for

a) manchester united
b) celtic
c) ireland

at the same time, given the transfers of guys like henderson/nolan and Gibsons age I agree with you...Sunderland have agreed a deal with Ipswich worth 13 million for wickham and didnt they value ngog at 7 million?!

if we put Gibson up for sale we'll get interest from a range of club and I'd expect at least 8 million english pounds

edit: maybe not so sure if he has 1 year left
 
Richardson had played and scored for England. Thatll always bump the fee up

To be fair though too back then I would have considered him to be a better player than I do Gibson now
 
Randall Flagg said:
Richardson had played and scored for England. Thatll always bump the fee up

To be fair though too back then I would have considered him to be a better player than I do Gibson now
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But Richardson had done nothing for United. Gibson had a 1 in 2 goalscoring record for United the season before last and when called upon last season he usually did a very decent job in midfield.

Personally I rate what a player does for us higher than in internationals where Richardson did have a hot streak for England with a few goals. But he wasnt able to get matches in his actual position for us in central midfield. He was entirely unconvincing on the left wing and in his final season he had to come in as a left back a few times to get some games

I think Gibson is worth around £8 million right now, but now that I'm reminded he's in his final year of contract the £5 million makes a lot of sense

We dont even know for sure that he'd be happy to sign an extention and to continue to play only as much as he does right now, maybe less with new players coming in. So to some extent we may have to accept what we're offered
 
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